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ThePopeOfFun posted:Can you tell me what a Hillary Man is? The Hillary Man is the creature for whom the apotheosis of all political progress is the election of a rich, white, conservative woman as the competent manager of the American Empire's steady decline. This view is so foundational that all concerns about social or economic justice are subsumed into the principle of loyalty to Her. Doubt or dissent are proof positive of the worst kind of bigotry, or else of subversion by a terrifying Other. When Hillary fails, it's not because of her own mistakes or because of any flaws in her ideology. Instead, it is a sign that the common people were ungrateful and insufficiently devoted, and simultaneously that she has been cheated by outside agents who poisoned the people against her.
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Vim Fuego posted:Hang on, they ride horses on the OUTSIDE of a spaceship? Yes. They ride horses on a spaceship that can’t tell which way is “up” without a beacon. Never mind that they can see the ground below them. And that they just need to keep floating up in the same direction.
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ThePopeOfFun posted:Can you tell me what a Hillary Man is? Aren't those the bad guys from Battle Tendency?
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Most of the positive posts for TROS on twitter are super generic. “Great sendoff”, “end of the saga”, “fans will love it”, “thanks Abrams”, just saying nothing at all.
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Pollyanna posted:The reality is that there’s going to be a lot of people for whom TROS is one of the best Star Wars movies of all time, because it’s bombastic, because it ends the Skywalker saga, and because it plays to emotional and nostalgic heartstrings. That’s enough for most viewers to lose their poo poo over it. But did people really want the Skywalker saga to end with ever single member of the bloodline dead? Edit: The Skywalker saga wasn't so much ended as it was forcibly exterminated. SolarFire2 fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Bogus Adventure posted:I just want JJ to stop getting opportunities to poo poo on things I liked as a child. Thank God there's no chance that he directs a Thundercats movie. Star Trek 09 is still close on my favourite space opera movie of all time, but then I'm saying that as someone who doesn't like Star Trek. Tato posted:Don't see why Rey's parentage couldn't involve the Emperor AND have them also be alcoholics who sold her for money. The Secret Palpatine thing was so bad, having her parents at least not be heroes would have been better but nothing could have salvaged that lovely idea. Even if for some dumb reason they couldn't just have her be a normal person that was kind-hearted and good at the force they've already established immaculate conception as a thing, just have her be another force baby like Anakin was.
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I’ve thought about it some more and I think the movie just started snowballing downhill when Finn and his new friend went after Rey on Endor. I don’t really remember too much from before that point but I remember after that point I just wanted it to end.
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Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker is not the worst movie in the series, but it is the least imaginative. Episode VII was criticised for being too much of a retread of a New Hope, while episode VIII drew ire for the opposite reason, apparently 'subverting' too many expectations. But I really enjoyed both of those movies. The character writing was strong, the action sequences were memorable, and there was always excitement for what will happen next. Despite being overlong and dull, Episode IX feels less like a movie and more like a desperate plea for Star Wars fans to not riot. Most of the dialogue is excessive plot exposition or otherwise repetitive platitudes or speeches where the characters almost seem self aware they're in a film being marketed as the "last" one. The heart isn't there, and it's mostly humourless, with a few exceptions that mostly recall better films in the series. I say all of this as someone who had a blast watching both of the previous films of this sequel trilogy, one of which was also by JJ (and rewatched every film in the lead up to this release). If I didn't like this movie, I don't know who will.
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Every single Leia scene is creepy as gently caress. It's hilariously obvious she was long dead before any of those actors interacted with her.
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just got home from the cinema and already forgot most of what I saw tbh, though i enjoyed seeing keri russell. wasn't aware of her inclusion beforehand
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I watched the film. I enjoyed it. It was very stupid and therefore good.
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Duckula posted:Every single Leia scene is creepy as gently caress. It's hilariously obvious she was long dead before any of those actors interacted with her. Yea she stands in place from what was clearly one deleted scene. It's like a Leia chatbot
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Zoran posted:The Hillary Man is the creature for whom the apotheosis of all political progress is the election of a rich, white, conservative woman as the competent manager of the American Empire's steady decline. This view is so foundational that all concerns about social or economic justice are subsumed into the principle of loyalty to Her. Doubt or dissent are proof positive of the worst kind of bigotry, or else of subversion by a terrifying Other. 
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There’s a decent read here considering Johnson’s extremely online twitter and the politics of Knives Out. Lots of Holdos criticisms at Poe are word for word #stillwithher stuff directed at Bernie Bros in November 2016
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Red Letter Media is loving garbage and you can see how dead they are. Their tear on Captain Marvel as they appealed to the chudverse sealed the deal. I say this as someone who enjoyed their SW tear down.
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La times did a giant writeup about how Rey and other women don't talk enough and how Rey spends most of her time being talked to by men Anyways rhe only good parts of their thousands of hours of work is that 3p0 talked the most of anyone in return of the Jedi and will probably end up talkjng the most of any character, also Rey and poe didn't talk til last Jedi, had 7 total words, and 1 of Rey's 2 words to Poe is "hi"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5lcmryG2RA Apparently Lucas 'never' wrote any treatments for 7/8/9. I wonder what he has to say about that. Especially in the wake of RotS.
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weekly font posted:There’s a decent read here considering Johnson’s extremely online twitter and the politics of Knives Out. Lots of Holdos criticisms at Poe are word for word #stillwithher stuff directed at Bernie Bros in November 2016 Yeah, Johnson directly replying to his Twitter mentions through TLJ was very obvious and very bad.
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Rian is high on the list of people who could only benefit from logging off of twitter. Even pablo learned this lesson and that says a lot
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weekly font posted:There’s a decent read here considering Johnson’s extremely online twitter and the politics of Knives Out. Lots of Holdos criticisms at Poe are word for word #stillwithher stuff directed at Bernie Bros in November 2016 This would explain why that whole arc has no relation to the kind of character Poe was in the first movie. I mean he wasn't much more than a generic archetype fighter jock fun guy... but he wasn't weirdly hostile to female authority figures out of nowhere and his reaction to every situation wasn't   LEEROY JENKINS either.
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Vintersorg posted:Red Letter Media is loving garbage and you can see how dead they are. Their tear on Captain Marvel as they appealed to the chudverse sealed the deal. They would be OK if their fans weren't so insufferable and didn't take all their opinions as gospel
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Vintersorg posted:Red Letter Media is loving garbage and you can see how dead they are. Their tear on Captain Marvel as they appealed to the chudverse sealed the deal. They always straddled that line, but it was inevitable as Star Wars became part of the culture wars and they were best known as those Star Wars guys. Granted I don't think I actually watched their Marvel review to know. Their pure strain hatred of the 2016 Ghostbusters was in that category of yes the movie was awful but...
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Dishwasher posted:"Palpatine shows up alive with like a thousand Star Destroyers. Armed with loving Death Star Lasers! And everyone loving fights that poo poo out in open space." is right out of a 9 year old's very first fan fiction SW sequel and it's glorious. That's why people (myself included) were taken aback. These movies were never designed to be Very Serious Business to begin with. Except to the stockholders, of course. At the start of the movie, we see First Order TIE's with Hyperdrives FOLLOW THE FALCON INTO HYPERSPACE and go to MULTIPLE planets IN ATMOSPHERE. So the Falcon is no longer the fastest ship in the galaxy AND every TIE fighter now has the tracking system that you needed a SD for from the last movie AND you can now jump into planet's atmosphere's without any issue....so you no longer need to conduct space battles...in space. They don't fight in open space in the big battle at the end. They fight under a dark cloud layer in atmosphere. We don't see any capital ship combat - the rest of the galaxy shows up WAY up off in the distance and then Palp's dies (when trying to kill our hero who he has just said he want's to die to, to be able to live in a new body) and then SD's fall down. Including every other one owned by the First Order in the rest of the galaxy (Endor and Jakku. Why is there an SD at Endor?!!?). The Death Star lasers arn't used in the battle. The rebel's have a 1 (single) Corvette that disappears (I don't think you see it in the battle after they arrive) and somehow survives fighting 1000's SD's. I was happy to see JJ's friend get killed in his Xwing, so that was nice. I think all of JJ's pilots except Poe get killed, so that was a good thing to see. Our hero's land goat Calvary on a SD (the trailer shot) and then get off the goats and attack on foot. We don't see the goats again. Why the 1000 ship SD fleet allowed the transport to land on their command ship is not explained either. I *think* you see Wedge for 2 seconds in the Falcon's gun turret. Not flying a fighter, which he is famous for. Poe conducts the entire battle with a broken arm and is in no way impacted by it. He shows up in the end with it in a sling (he got shot by a blaster 2 hours earlier without having any impact). I'd forgotten he'd been shot (in the same place Leia has been in ROTJ) until I saw his arm in the sling in the celebration at the end. Comstar fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Shaocaholica posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5lcmryG2RA Iger says in his autobiography that Lucas did, that Iger bought them, and Lucas was upset they went unused
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SolarFire2 posted:But did people really want the Skywalker saga to end with ever single member of the bloodline dead? They don’t care, though.
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Red Letter Media peaked with their prequel videos. Take that however you want. Half in the Bag is just a shitass unfunny review show that veers into at times.
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Does the Falcon make it? Does R2-D2 or BB-8 fix the computer where Lando can talk to his robot lover again?
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Comstar posted:The Death Star lasers arn't used in the battle. This is infuriating.
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Comstar posted:At the start of the movie, we see First Order TIE's with Hyperdrives FOLLOW THE FALCON INTO HYPERSPACE and go to MULTIPLE planets IN ATMOSPHERE. So the Falcon is no longer the fastest ship in the galaxy AND every TIE fighter now has the tracking system that you needed a SD for from the last movie AND you can now jump into planet's atmosphere's without any issue....so you no longer need to conduct space battles...in space.
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The first order, off camera still ruling the rest of the galaxy, says thanks for dealing with that palpatine thing before polishing off the depleted rebels and completing nazi rule
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Vintersorg posted:Red Letter Media is loving garbage and you can see how dead they are. Their tear on Captain Marvel as they appealed to the chudverse sealed the deal. Is there something awful I need to know about RLM?
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General Dog posted:Does the Falcon make it? Does R2-D2 or BB-8 fix the computer where Lando can talk to his robot lover again? Of course the falcon made it otherwise they’d have no toys to sell. No idea about the Lando question. Comstar posted:At the start of the movie, we see First Order TIE's with Hyperdrives FOLLOW THE FALCON INTO HYPERSPACE and go to MULTIPLE planets IN ATMOSPHERE. So the Falcon is no longer the fastest ship in the galaxy AND every TIE fighter now has the tracking system that you needed a SD for from the last movie AND you can now jump into planet's atmosphere's without any issue....so you no longer need to conduct space battles...in space. I wanna point out again how dumb the fleet was. We know these ships take off from planets by just floating up in the direction opposite to the ground. Yet for whatever reason these advanced star destroyers cant do that without an antenna on the ground telling them which way to float up. The entire time the ground is still visible to them.
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RLM is based in Wisconsin so hatred and misery are the only things they've ever felt.
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kidkissinger posted:Yeah, Johnson directly replying to his Twitter mentions through TLJ was very obvious and very bad. This is probably one case where lacking additional context helps me enjoy the movie more. All I know of what Johnson has said about the movie is "making something divisive is cooler to me than making something everyone equally thinks is kind of ok"
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Comstar posted:At the start of the movie, we see First Order TIE's with Hyperdrives FOLLOW THE FALCON INTO HYPERSPACE and go to MULTIPLE planets IN ATMOSPHERE. So the Falcon is no longer the fastest ship in the galaxy AND every TIE fighter now has the tracking system that you needed a SD for from the last movie AND you can now jump into planet's atmosphere's without any issue....so you no longer need to conduct space battles...in space. ...so they go from aping all the old tech and designs of the Empire/ Rebellion, to in this last movie having tech beyond anything those groups could have produced in the time skip? And every SD just has a Death Star laser now?  Abrams you complete loving HACK succlord
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