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cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I watched the movie again last night and I already liked it less than I did on opening night. This one's not going to age very well at all.

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Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Captain Jesus posted:

I'm baffled by the posters who are weirded out by "the kiss" because Kylo and Rey are technically cousins. Even if we accept that Palpatine actually created Anakin (based on some stupid comic book, not necessarily supported by the movies), I don't really think we're supposed to imagine it as Palpatine teleporting his jizz into Shmi's uterus, so he would be Anakin's father in a comparable way to a scientist doing in vitro fertilization. The prequels imply that Anakin is so powerful because he was created through the Force, not because his secret dad is a powerful wizard.

Palpatine was never Anakin's father in any meaningful way, so you can stop being worried that you just saw two cousins kiss in a movie.

Even if you really want to see Rey and Ben as related, "the kiss" is still way less gross than the thought of Sheev having sex.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Captain Jesus posted:

I'm baffled by the posters who are weirded out by "the kiss" because Kylo and Rey are technically cousins. Even if we accept that Palpatine actually created Anakin (based on some stupid comic book, not necessarily supported by the movies), I don't really think we're supposed to imagine it as Palpatine teleporting his jizz into Shmi's uterus, so he would be Anakin's father in a comparable way to a scientist doing in vitro fertilization. The prequels imply that Anakin is so powerful because he was created through the Force, not because his secret dad is a powerful wizard.

Palpatine was never Anakin's father in any meaningful way, so you can stop being worried that you just saw two cousins kiss in a movie.

I posted this in the other thread, but apparently that comic wasn’t even trying to say that.

https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1208880844066017280?s=21

Palpatine was using the story of Anakin’s conception to make this implication to manipulate him into thinking the Dark Side has that kind of power, and could also save Padme. And Anakin fell for it.

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Hobo Clown posted:

Rey can use the force to spot a wookiee in orbit from the ground, she should already be well aware that the thirsty dude she spends most of her time with is force sensitive.

Obviously she knows but is playing dumb because she's just not that into you, Finn.

Girls like the bad boy man.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Finn should be like "I get it. Your grandpa would never approve of you dating me"

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum
It shoulda been Rey solo at the end because she was by herself

Also her boyfriend just died

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


She shoulda called herself Rey O'Sunshine

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
Rey B-8

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
I wish I could say I was baffled by how many people I've seen crawling outta the woodwork to defend the weird incest but I look at porn sites enough to know what white folks are into

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Bleck posted:

I wish I could say I was baffled by how many people I've seen crawling outta the woodwork to defend the weird incest but I look at porn sites enough to know what white folks are into

Why do you do poo poo like this in every thread I see you post in?

Anakin is not Sheev’s idiot son, this line of thinking is just loving stupid and the weirdest form of concern trolling I have seen in ages

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Palpatine fuuuuuuucks

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
The funniest part of this movie is JJ making it 100% clear from literally the first two sentences of the opening scroll that he's a bad improv partner who is just going to completely ignore the hand-off.

Once I got over that I liked the movie just fine. It's a dumb thing to do and I'd be much more interested in what RJ thought should close out the series, but at least he went all in on it.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Also I almost cried when Chewie got his medal finally lmfao

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Everyone posted:

Even if you really want to see Rey and Ben as related, "the kiss" is still way less gross than the thought of Sheev having sex.

Jizz! Unlimited... Jizz!

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler
I teared up a little when Han showed up but that's because I lost my dad suddenly earlier this year and the idea of being able to see him one more time would be really nice. I also threw my lightsaber into the ocean but for different reasons.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Bleck posted:

I wish I could say I was baffled by how many people I've seen crawling outta the woodwork to defend the weird incest but I look at porn sites enough to know what white folks are into

It's really only incest in a very specifically technical way, but tbf that pretty much tracks with the porn sites

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Finn should be like "I get it. Your grandpa would never approve of you dating me"

Rey: When I kissed Ben, something changed. I realized that boys are just gross. So I'm dating Jannah now.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

2house2fly posted:

they'd have even more luck if they used a Death Star, or a Mega-Class star destroyer. The reason they don't use either of those is the same reason they don't use Y-wings

They have Y-Wings, and Y-Wings are old tanky SOBs. They're based on drat buster bombers, that carried a light payload to hit strategic targets. Someone downthread said TLJ's opening was Johnson wanting to finally do a WWII bombing run which makes no sense because that's what the trench run was.

What Y-Wings don't have is the ability to dump payloads. But it's more believable for the rebellion to have Y-Wings than to be fielding a wing of brand new bombers that are shiny and fragile. They could've tied it into the weapon manufacturers later more pointedly as an intentionally flawed product sold cheap but they didn't.

But bombers work because they're supposed to be far removed from their targets. Carpet bombing from a height where small arms are a factor is a bad implementation.

The gravity doesn't matter, they had rail deployment, plus it's ww2 in space, bombers are an integral part of ww2 air combat.

Honestly the bombers were really disappointing because they were made of paper. If you want to make it an homage to WWII bombers go ahead and make it a flying fortress. Have Rose complete the mission crash it back into the hanger being guided in by flight control, half the ship missing and her sister dying/dead in the pilot seat.

Really enjoy the themes that TLJ explores while acknowledging the flaws and there are many, bombers included.

PJOmega fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Dec 23, 2019

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Chewie getting his medal 9 movies and 40+ years later reminds me of the last Metal Gear game, an 80 million dollar game that almost bankrupted Konami where the ending is revealed to be a retcon fix for a plot hole in an NES game lmfao

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

There's actually no genetic significance to Rey and Ren being related to Palpatine, he just remotely force-impregnated so many women he was bound to sire a couple of Chosen Ones.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Intel&Sebastian posted:

Chewie getting his medal 9 movies and 40+ years later reminds me of the last Metal Gear game, an 80 million dollar game that almost bankrupted Konami where the ending is revealed to be a retcon fix for a plot hole in an NES game lmfao
The reveal at the of MGSV does cover that plot hole, but that isn't the point of the ending


PJOmega posted:

They have Y-Wings, and Y-Wings are old tanky SOBs.
I don't recall seeing any Y-wings in the movie

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Intel&Sebastian posted:

Chewie getting his medal 9 movies and 40+ years later reminds me of the last Metal Gear game, an 80 million dollar game that almost bankrupted Konami where the ending is revealed to be a retcon fix for a plot hole in an NES game lmfao

MSX game. The NES port isn't canon

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Bleck posted:

I wish I could say I was baffled by how many people I've seen crawling outta the woodwork to defend the weird incest but I look at porn sites enough to know what white folks are into

:master:

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

There are 100% y wings in ROS.

Everyone
Sep 6, 2019

by sebmojo

Intel&Sebastian posted:

Chewie getting his medal 9 movies and 40+ years later reminds me of the last Metal Gear game, an 80 million dollar game that almost bankrupted Konami where the ending is revealed to be a retcon fix for a plot hole in an NES game lmfao

Chewie got a bigger medal later for "keeping those two fuckwits alive."

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

Captain Jesus posted:

I'm baffled by the posters who are weirded out by "the kiss" because Kylo and Rey are technically cousins.

This is not why it's weird lmao. It's weird because their relationship has never felt remotely romantic or even sexual. It felt like they kissed solely because it's a movie so of course boy and girl kiss at end.

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

Rey and Ben are aunt and nephew or cousin and cousin, snoke is the sad sack of the galaxy, and I'm not sure if Rey's mom or dad is the Palpatine, but since it's star wars it could be both!

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I graphed it out. It’s first cousin once removed.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

I bet Sheev's wife is the bald goth lady who he hangs about with in the prequels.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Mymla posted:

This is not why it's weird lmao. It's weird because their relationship has never felt remotely romantic or even sexual. It felt like they kissed solely because it's a movie so of course boy and girl kiss at end.

I think "never" is too strong but it definitely wasn't a big thing. The "not to me" line in TLJ is like the single most caring thing anyone says to her in the whole trilogy.

moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum

Ingmar terdman posted:

Rey and Ben are aunt and nephew or cousin and cousin, snoke is the sad sack of the galaxy, and I'm not sure if Rey's mom or dad is the Palpatine, but since it's star wars it could be both!



thank you for adding snoke, you better believe palp made him in his preferred way

also you can tell because they both wear dresses

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Mymla posted:

This is not why it's weird lmao. It's weird because their relationship has never felt remotely romantic or even sexual. It felt like they kissed solely because it's a movie so of course boy and girl kiss at end.

their relationship in TLJ is so blatantly going in that direction that rey's surrogate dad walks in on them about to kiss and goes 'you are not to see that boy anymore!', only driving her further towards the bad boy she can't stop thinking about

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Adam driver was so committed to the romance that he was willing to go topless. Now that's dedication

Mike N Eich
Jan 27, 2007

This might just be the year
These cowards should have fuckin killed both Chewbacca and C-3PO

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Intel&Sebastian posted:

I think "never" is too strong but it definitely wasn't a big thing. The "not to me" line in TLJ is like the single most caring thing anyone says to her in the whole trilogy.

And even then he was trying to turn her to the dark side by convincing her nobody else could possibly care about her. There was definitely some tension going on when they were Force skyping before that tho

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


ungulateman posted:

people remember the actually compelling parts of tlj and sort of mentally edit out the parts they don't like, like the entire fourth act of the film,

Yeah, this. TLJ was okay, not amazing, right up until the last 30-45 minutes of the movie. Then it completely hosed itself.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
When did Disney lose creativity? The alien and general art design of the ST was bad. You’d think Lucas Film being bought by a company that used to be known for creativity wouldn’t lead to this.

We need a new alien, how should we design it? Give it 2 arms, 2 legs, and squish it’s face.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
I'm sure somebody has already groused about this but: one of the better things Rian handed off to the third movie was the idea that the Resistance was so decimated that they all fit onto the Millennium Falcon and JJ was like "lol nope there's still a ton of them".

They've been extremely stupid about representing how big the resistance is and the relationship to the republic since day one though so why stop now.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
I like Poe's friend in TLJ, the alien with a deep voice who just says "gope? No ka" occasionally. Wish he'd had some more stuff to do

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Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Sooo it's holiday family time and we watched TLJ to refresh our memories on what happened before seeing RoS and:

1. Nobody remembered TLJ despite having seen it
2. One family member has decided not to go see RoS because of how monotonous TLJ was
3. Goddamn TLJ felt long
4. The last 20min were especially bad

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