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If they don't have Lan going "you loving what?" When Nynaeve finds them just give it up
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Might as well just blow through it, it’s not gonna be near as popular as GoT and only gonna last like 2 seasons.
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With how lovely an ending Fain got, does he even need to be in the series? And without him you can lose the dagger. Shadar Logoth still needs some screen time for other stuff, but you can just have other dark friends or forsaken influencing the White Cloaks and Fain can just disappear. I don't know if Fain has been cast and I don't necessarily want to see him gone but losing him would maybe help streamline some of the story.
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Jan 23, 2020 08:41
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Inspector 34 posted:With how lovely an ending Fain got, does he even need to be in the series? And without him you can lose the dagger. Shadar Logoth still needs some screen time for other stuff, but you can just have other dark friends or forsaken influencing the White Cloaks and Fain can just disappear. Fain already got cast. Also the dagger is a big thing for Mat's plotline, without the holes in his memory he wouldn't have ended up with the memories of all the great generals
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Jan 23, 2020 08:47
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also also rand's wounds are kind of a big deal andbthe dagger makes one of them
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Jan 23, 2020 09:08
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Yeah both of those points make sense but don't seem that difficult to write around. Does Rand really need 2 unhealable wounds for his story to make sense?
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Jan 23, 2020 09:42
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I got the impression, without it having been explicitly said, that the two wounds fighting each other is what cemented the idea of using Shadar Logoth to cleanse Saidin
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Jan 23, 2020 11:01
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It did but that seems like the sort of thing that's more easily communicated in a book than a show. Also the odds of the show getting that far before being cancelled are not great.
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Jan 23, 2020 11:05
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Honestly this is the first thing I’ve seen that has me really concerned for the show. There is more than enough content in book one for a season of television.
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Jan 23, 2020 12:46
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bloom posted:the odds of the show getting that far before being cancelled are not great. That's a dumb reason to cite for doing or not doing anything. If the show gets cancelled then nothing matters, so you can only assume that you won't be while planning the series out. What you CAN infer from the pacing is that they want those highly iconic sequences to try to keep interest and viewers. TEoTW's end is cool and can be freaky but Falme is really the first really uniquely WoT-ish ending setpiece. Another 2 book season would get us to the first full out Power battle with Asmodean in Rhuidean and the Two Rivers battle. And if the series can make it to the end of S3 at Dumais Wells then it's home free. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Jan 23, 2020 15:07
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I think shoving book 1 and part of 2 into one season makes sense. You can get the wonder girls into the white tower training. Cliffhanger the Seanchan Liandrin betrayal maybe. Alot happens in book 1 that can be moved to other places. Maybe we meet Bayle as captain who takes the wonder girls towards Tear. Or who take Mat out of Tar Valon. It's better to get people hooked with action and quick plot then to bore people and get dropped after a season imo.
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Jan 23, 2020 15:14
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The Lord Bude posted:Honestly this is the first thing I’ve seen that has me really concerned for the show. There is more than enough content in book one for a season of television. Book one is arguably one of the best of the books, so rushing to get into TGH which is also great but not quite as formulaic as book 1 is baffling. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:That's a dumb reason to cite for doing or not doing anything. If the show gets cancelled then nothing matters, so you can only assume that you won't be while planning the series out. This is understandable I suppose, but I think it weakens S1, keeps S2 about the same, in order to make S3 stronger. That seems odd given I don't think they already signed up for 3 seasons of this. Anias fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Jan 23, 2020 16:47
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for all we know, jeff bezos is a huge fan of wheel of time and will personally fund it to the end no matter what and we'll let him do it before beheading him with a guillotine and shooting his headless corpse into the sun on a spacex rocket
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Johnny Joestar posted:for all we know, jeff bezos is a huge fan of wheel of time and will personally fund it to the end no matter what and we'll let him do it before beheading him with a guillotine and shooting his headless corpse into the sun on a spacex rocket Vacuole the rich
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Jan 23, 2020 17:19
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Jeff Bezos is da'tsang.
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If he was he'd be jerking himself off in front of the cast and crew like he did for the expanse.
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Jan 23, 2020 17:53
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I get a lot of complaints about book one from people I get to read this. People say it's a slowly paced rip off of Lord of the Rings and I have to tell them that the series does get a lot weirder and more unique after that.
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Colonel Cool posted:I get a lot of complaints about book one from people I get to read this. People say it's a slowly paced rip off of Lord of the Rings and I have to tell them that the series does get a lot weirder and more unique after that. They're not wrong.
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Jan 23, 2020 18:01
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I'm all for some truncation as long as we get to the good parts. There's a lot of fluff that works well when written but is unnecessary in a visual format. When you break it down the main plot of EotW is pretty straightforward and can be told in 4 hours with some skill. Let's hope the production team is up to that task.
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I feel like they're going to have to show a lot more channeling and magic fireworks and stuff in the first season than Book 1 really gets to, if they want to develop an audience. With the exception of the prologue, it isn't until Book 2 that all the pyrotechnics and ninja swordfighting (which is what will be the signature look of the TV show, let's be honest) starts to get going.
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Jan 23, 2020 18:44
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Data Graham posted:I feel like they're going to have to show a lot more channeling and magic fireworks and stuff in the first season than Book 1 really gets to, if they want to develop an audience. If they do both the Winternight trolloc attack and Moiraine's Manetheren story the first episode will be reasonably representative, I think. You've got trollocs vs villagers, Matrix agent-style Myrddraal, some fireball-throwing from Moiraine, some really loving flashy destruction from Queen Eldrene. You gotta build up to the ghosts, ninjas, men in black and the dragon-riders. Toss in some Baalzamon nightmare and E1 is a pretty solid hook. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:If they do both the Winternight trolloc attack and Moiraine's Manetheren story the first episode will be reasonably representative, I think. You've got trollocs vs villagers, Matrix agent-style Myrddraal, some fireball-throwing from Moiraine, some really loving flashy destruction from Queen Eldrene. You gotta build up to the ghosts, ninjas, men in black and the dragon-riders. The Trolloc attack will definitely be flashier in the TV show over the books since you will want to show it happening. In the books having Rand show up after it's over is fine but you have to show more for TV.
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Well since it's supposed to be Moiraine centric I'd expect we see the attack from her perspective then Rand comes up dragging Tam and we'll hear/see about what happened to them rather than the other way around.
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I'm curious to see how they'll do grey men in the show. I always liked the way they were casually written into background descriptions in the books, it'll be interesting to see how they adapt that on screen.
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Colonel Cool posted:I get a lot of complaints about book one from people I get to read this. People say it's a slowly paced rip off of Lord of the Rings and I have to tell them that the series does get a lot weirder and more unique after that. I'm always wondering about this, since I've read both WoT and LoR and for me at least, both stories are nothing alike. This sounds more like people not enjoying fantasy coming up with something on the spot to prevent you from forcing more fantasy upon them
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Jan 23, 2020 20:05
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i would have to assume it has something to do with 'group of people hurried out on adventure with a spellcaster/etc.' but that's kind of a vague plot hook anyways and shouldn't be definitive
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A wise old wizard picks up a bunch of hicks from a tiny village and takes them on an adventure because their simple rural nature makes them uniquely suited to surviving a bunch of orcs and beating the big bad who lives in a mountain. I think there might be some similarities.
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You could say the same thing about A New Hope too.
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I mean, yeah. Fuckin Merlin. It's not a new story.
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All those stories are just different turnings of the wheel. But really there's loads of interviews where he talks about how much he was paying homage in the first book, and how he wanted to do his own unique twist on an initially familiar setting
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bloom posted:A wise old wizard picks up a bunch of hicks from a tiny village and takes them on an adventure because their simple rural nature makes them uniquely suited to surviving a bunch of orcs and beating the big bad who lives in a mountain. The only wizard I remember is Moiraine, and she is only in a very technically sense "old". (I always imagined her to look like, super hot, so I didn't ever make the Merlin/Gandalf connection.  )
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Libluini posted:The only wizard I remember is Moiraine, and she is only in a very technically sense "old". (I always imagined her to look like, super hot, so I didn't ever make the Merlin/Gandalf connection. I know Moiraine falls in the "technically 5000 years old" category(although iirc she's not actually that old for an aes sedai) but she is very much the archetypal wizard character in the first book.
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You're talking to the guy who thought for years that "pillow friends" was just a completely benign euphemism for girls being friends with each other If you'd time travel back to teenage me and tell me Moiraine was supposed to be a wizard, I'd probably look at you with this confused, dumbfounded look of complete incomprehension and say something stupid like "But she is a girl! She can only be a sorceress, not a wizard! Wizards are old guys with long beards!" Also I would say this in German, as I couldn't understand English back then.
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Moiraine is actually pretty young, right? She's supposed to be in her 50s or 60s I believe.
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Moraine was born in 956 NE, so she's like 42 when the series starts.Libluini posted:The only wizard I remember is Moiraine, and she is only in a very technically sense "old". (I always imagined her to look like, super hot, so I didn't ever make the Merlin/Gandalf connection. Thomdril Merrilin
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:You could say the same thing about A New Hope too. Because they both use the same trope for the same reason. It's nice to have at least one character who is mostly ignorant of the setting so you can reveal it through them. Also, starting from naive/sheltered allows built in character growth. The Wheel of time series is all about leaning heavily on tropes and myths, but upending them slightly.
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both moiraine and siuan are noted to be relatively young for when they got raised to being aes sedai, and then from there you have to consider it's only been like, what, 18-20 years since then as rand and the others grew up?
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Jan 23, 2020 21:26
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Yes they're both raised young because they are strong channelers and they were in the room when Gitara Moroso has her Foretelling at the moment Rand is born.
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:Because they both use the same trope for the same reason. It's nice to have at least one character who is mostly ignorant of the setting so you can reveal it through them. Even better, both WoT and Star Wars started out with the creator wanting the hero to be a grizzled old veteran, but eventually changed them into a naïve young kid because the story just worked better that way. Something something relatable character pro-ta-GON-ist
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My favorite wot joke is and remains Ta'veren: in the Old Tongue, "Protagonist".
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