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Flair is above average in the WWE environment. I'd like to see her spend a tour or two in Japan or the indies OUTSIDE of the WWE bubble, like her father actually did to become a GOAT instead of just being handed everything. She doesn't have hardly any natural charisma and like 3/4ths of her gimmick is "I'm wrestling royalty" and has no personality outside of that.
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Ric Flair would have also been a generic lump of clay if he was solely trained by the performance center
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She was someone who could do athletically impressive things that helped to cover up the weaknesses that being 100% trained in the WWE system gives you. What's happened recently is that for whatever reason (injuries, fatigue from the schedule possibly) she doesn't have that same athleticism that she once did and because of that all of those problems are exposed to the world; especially since she tries to do all of the same stuff. The best wrestlers aren't the ones that are the most athletically gifted; they are the ones that know what they can't do and learn to work around those limitations.
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IceAgeComing posted:The best wrestlers aren't the ones that are the most athletically gifted; they are the ones that know what they can't do and learn to work around those limitations. Post-neck surgery Steve Austin making just throwing punches, kicks and then a Stunner at the end into incredibly entertaining matches is a pretty good example of this.
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Jerusalem posted:Post-neck surgery Steve Austin making just throwing punches, kicks and then a Stunner at the end into incredibly entertaining matches is a pretty good example of this. That match Austin had with Dude Love is a masterpiece of minimalism. It’s interesting how the top guys of their day all seem to be known for minimalism, Okada, Austin, Cena. You see a guy like HHH fill his matches on top with everything under the wrestling sun and not meeting that level an Austin match would. To me that’s what Reigns has, and Bryan too in his WWE style. That’s why I wish they’d let the two top guys of Smackdown have a feud, that’s a Mania main event to me.
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I'm baffled by the people that think she's a once in a lifetime breakout star. While I don't find her matches all that interesting I will admit she is a capable wrestler, but she lacks anything that could possibly make her a star outside of wrestling. Especially considering she's the daughter of one of the most popular wrestler of all time, but has no of the qualities that made her father a star.
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There's so much hyperbole about Charlotte in both directions I think it affects some fans in being able to make an honest assessment of her.
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Charlotte is 2005 USC
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hunnert car pileup posted:Charlotte is 2005 USC and WWE ain't got a Vince Young
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JT Smiley posted:I'm baffled by the people that think she's a once in a lifetime breakout star. While I don't find her matches all that interesting I will admit she is a capable wrestler, but she lacks anything that could possibly make her a star outside of wrestling. Especially considering she's the daughter of one of the most popular wrestler of all time, but has no of the qualities that made her father a star.
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And they've got Kairi Sane and her role is "Asuka's little sidekick"
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Neodoomium posted:And they've got Kairi Sane and her role is "Asuka's little sidekick" There's a lot of parallel between WWE now and the WCW exodus where people were leaving the company because they never got the chance. Jericho, Eddie, and Benoit jumped about the right time where they were just another guy to eventually become big names in WWE, now WWE is where people are trying to escape from to make a legacy.
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It's a testament to her skill that she took the role and has made it incredibly charming and entertaining. It's still a gross misuse of her talent.
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Eat My Fuc posted:That match Austin had with Dude Love is a masterpiece of minimalism. It’s interesting how the top guys of their day all seem to be known for minimalism, Okada, Austin, Cena. I am not sure I'd describe Okada, a man whose matches seem to go on for 25 minutes at least, as being known for minimalism.
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Are all NJPW matches best of three? The Omega vs Okada (not sure if it was '17 or '18) that I saw was best two of three and went for like 45 minutes. Best 2 of 3 taking 25 minutes doesn't seem that long.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Are all NJPW matches best of three? The Omega vs Okada (not sure if it was '17 or '18) that I saw was best two of three and went for like 45 minutes. Best 2 of 3 taking 25 minutes doesn't seem that long. That match was 2/3 (also had a no time limit stip as well) because of the story being told by the series of matches. All of the matches previous were one fall matches. 1st match (Tokyo Dome show 2017): 47 minutes won by Okada 2nd match (Dominion 2017): 60 minute time limit draw 3rd match (2017 G1 Climax tournament match [30 minute time limit]) 25 minute match won by Omega so the 4th match was a 2/3 falls match with no time limit. But yeah, normally New Japan matches are single fall matches.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Are all NJPW matches best of three? The Omega vs Okada (not sure if it was '17 or '18) that I saw was best two of three and went for like 45 minutes. Best 2 of 3 taking 25 minutes doesn't seem that long. Most NJPW matches are gimmickless. The two out of three falls was a special stipulation as the culmination of Okada and Omega's rivalry.
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Okay, wasn't sure if that was just a Japan thing to do 2 of 3, I know very little about wrestling in other countries because before people were going crazy for the first couple episodes of Dynamite all of my experience with wrestling was Smackdown in '03. Which is also why I'm not super excited for the Iron Man match I'm a couple weeks, the only one I've ever seen dragged on way too long.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Okay, wasn't sure if that was just a Japan thing to do 2 of 3, I know very little about wrestling in other countries because before people were going crazy for the first couple episodes of Dynamite all of my experience with wrestling was Smackdown in '03. 2/3 falls is a lucha thing woo! god dammit Since Okada has more lucha libre background than Omega, he arrogantly assumed he'd have a huge advantage in such a match, and accepted the stip really happily.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Which is also why I'm not super excited for the Iron Man match I'm a couple weeks, the only one I've ever seen dragged on way too long. Iron Man matches go for as long as they're set for, so the match will be 30 minutes (give or take) no matter what. PAC and Omega are two dudes who can easily make 30 minutes entertaining and some matches on Dynamite have already approached that length. I'm betting on a no-fall draw into sudden death, but it probably won't go much longer than 30 minutes.
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jesus WEP posted:2/3 falls is a lucha thing woo! god dammit Even though Kenny won arguably Okada was smarter with the stipulation, getting that roll up fall really threw off Omega's game until he rallied back.
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forkboy84 posted:I am not sure I'd describe Okada, a man whose matches seem to go on for 25 minutes at least, as being known for minimalism. I think we're talking about moveset here. And Okada's moveset is actually pretty basic, it's just that his execution of said moveset it utter perfection. jesus WEP posted:2/3 falls is a lucha thing woo! god dammit The wonderful thing about that match is that Okada won the first fall, so the actual reason for his eventual downfall was his own arrogance making him accept too many stipulations. E: Eat My Fuc posted:Even though Kenny won arguably Okada was smarter with the stipulation, getting that roll up fall really threw off Omega's game until he rallied back. As mentioned, if they didn't have that stipulation then Okada would have just straight-up won.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I think we're talking about moveset here. And Okada's moveset is actually pretty basic, it's just that his execution of said moveset it utter perfection. Yeah, Okada's moveset is pretty simple. I mean, two of his biggest moves are a dropkick and a clothesline.
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If he had accepted either one of the 2/3 falls or no time limit he would have won. But he accepted both, Kenny trained like a machine to outlast him, and did in fact outlast him gently caress that feud was so good
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I think it was unfair how the Okada/ Jericho match was judged, the story of that match ending on the roll up that beat Omega was awesome.
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Okada crawling towards Omega but running out of time to cover him in their 60 minute draw was absolutely loving incredible. Especially since if I remember right, Omega FINALLY hit Okada with the One Winged Angel during that match but he was too close to the ropes (or fell out to the floor?) and Omega wasn't able to take advantage.
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jesus WEP posted:If he had accepted either one of the 2/3 falls or no time limit he would have won. But he accepted both, Kenny trained like a machine to outlast him, and did in fact outlast him The entire run up to the match was great cause you'd see so much of Kenny on BTE working his rear end off to train while Okada just kept tweeting pics of him fishing and it was so clear that the hubris was about to be his downfall.
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Rarity posted:The entire run up to the match was great cause you'd see so much of Kenny on BTE working his rear end off to train while Okada just kept tweeting pics of him fishing and it was so clear that the hubris was about to be his downfall. Something else to consider.... Kenny went to a superhuman effort and beyond the realms of all human potential to just barely defeat an Okada.... who hadn't taken the match as seriously as he should have 
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Well yeah, Kenny performed a super human task, but he was trying to fight god.
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Can we post XFL opinions here? "Real football has helmet to helmet hits not like that soft NFL poo poo!!" https://twitter.com/Nolevell2020/status/1226224573215055872?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nolevell2020/status/1226240550287872001?s=19
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I don't understand American football but does this rule not basically just mean "play as sloppily and clumsily as you like" because that's what that looked like
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History Comes Inside! posted:I don't understand American football but does this rule not basically just mean "play as sloppily and clumsily as you like" because that's what that looked like It means smack your helmet as hard as you can into the other guys helmet. Concussions for everyone.
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Pinche Rudo posted:Can we post XFL opinions here? "Real football has helmet to helmet hits not like that soft NFL poo poo!!" God, you can see the point where his skull stops moving and his brain does not.
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Pinche Rudo posted:It means smack your helmet as hard as you can into the other guys helmet. Concussions for everyone. Spinal injuries also
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Well uh that's absolutely helmet to helmet and targeting.
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Pinche Rudo posted:Can we post XFL opinions here? "Real football has helmet to helmet hits not like that soft NFL poo poo!!" I refuse to believe this isn't a bot.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I don't understand American football but does this rule not basically just mean "play as sloppily and clumsily as you like" because that's what that looked like Mediocre/bad talent, a desire to impress so you can go sign a million dollar deal and stop working for minimum wage, and loose officiating is gonna result in some really bad injuries. I imagine it will also beat the poo poo out of the already shallow talent pool and make XFL games real bad(er) a month or so in.
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Yet they can't handle a black player kneeling.
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