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the only of the four classical novels i’ve read was dream of the red chamber, which i really liked until someone on this website called it “the first harem anime”
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Relatedly, I'm seeing in another thread mel talking about Three Kingdoms' best translation being a video game
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Feb 18, 2020 19:40
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cannot confirm i’m a nobunaga’s ambition man myself
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Feb 18, 2020 19:41
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Mel Mudkiper posted:As I recall he said Vargas Llosa became a right wing ideologue because he was mad about not winning enough awards. Vargas Llosa also lost what was supposed to be a slam-dunk presidential bid
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Feb 18, 2020 19:48
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But he did give Garcia Marquez a black eye, so he’s not all bad
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Feb 18, 2020 19:49
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Bilirubin posted:Relatedly, I'm seeing in another thread mel talking about Three Kingdoms' best translation being a video game That sounds like a pretty room temperature take. The novel absolutely sprawls across four volumes, and the highly acclaimed two-part film adaptation covers like one third of one of those volumes. A video game may be the only other form of media that can adequately adapt the scope of Three Kingdoms.
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Feb 18, 2020 19:51
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it was also a joke
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Feb 18, 2020 19:54
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Charles Portis died. Read his books
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Feb 18, 2020 19:55
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Officer Sandvich posted:Charles Portis died. Read his books Norwood is a very funny book. Can be read in an afternoon or so. 
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Feb 18, 2020 19:57
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true grit rules
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Feb 18, 2020 20:07
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Mel Mudkiper posted:it was also a joke K I'm having some problems sussing sincerity on the internet
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Feb 18, 2020 20:11
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Bilirubin posted:ok on topic: I know nothing about Chinese lit. Hit me with a novel recommendation please and thank you Dictionary of the maqiao is pretty cool. Get a collection of tang dynasty poems. Cathay
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Feb 18, 2020 20:18
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Mel Mudkiper posted:it was also a joke It's funny because it's true.
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Feb 18, 2020 20:32
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the book of stonehouse poems some hippie left at my house is p. good
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Feb 18, 2020 21:22
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Bilirubin posted:Thanks! soul mountain is supposed to be good. classics: book of songs, also called classic of poetry and book of odes - 詩經 (Shījīng) in chinese - is the oldest collection of chinese poetry. tu fu/du fu (depending on romanisation) is also good. I can't give any good english translation recs for these though
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Feb 18, 2020 21:23
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Officer Sandvich posted:Charles Portis died. Read his books I got Masters of Atlantis recently, so I know what I'm reading next.
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Feb 18, 2020 21:26
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I'm reading a biography of Mary Wollstonecraft and thus far she has spirited away her sister, minus sister's baby, to live with her and her special friend Fanny Blood (real name) in what she hopes will be a feminist utopia. It ends very very badly and hwer sister hates her for the rest of life. Wild poo poo. I have not read any of the preceding 69 posts
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Mel Mudkiper posted:don't look at me I quit the forums until chernobyl kept harassing me to come back (that's right I am throwing you under the bus fucker) we got david poster wallace over here with the new sincerity
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A human heart posted:we got david poster wallace over here with the new sincerity Lmfao ok this one was good
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A human heart posted:we got david poster wallace over here with the new sincerity Lmao
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Feb 18, 2020 23:38
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J_RBG posted:I'm reading a biography of Mary Wollstonecraft and thus far she has spirited away her sister, minus sister's baby, to live with her and her special friend Fanny Blood (real name) in what she hopes will be a feminist utopia. It ends very very badly and hwer sister hates her for the rest of life. Wild poo poo. I have not read any of the preceding 69 posts Ok but did it work an was it good or bad?
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Feb 18, 2020 23:46
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Bilirubin posted:ok on topic: I know nothing about Chinese lit. Hit me with a novel recommendation please and thank you For modern stuff Mo Yan and Can Xue are both cool. I'd like recs in that nature if anyone has.
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I never thought there would be a book too weird for me but I could not get through Frontier
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Feb 19, 2020 01:37
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A human heart posted:we got david poster wallace over here with the new sincerity Wow walked into that one
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Feb 19, 2020 01:50
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WatermelonGun posted:true grit rules That’s the only one of his I’ve ever read and I loved it. I’ve had Gringos on my to-read list for the better part of a decade, guess I should finally pull the trigger
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Feb 19, 2020 01:59
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Bilirubin: If you're going to try the four classics, I'd start with Monkey/Journey to the West or Dream of the Red Chamber over Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Also, Jin Ping Mei. For modern writing, Lu Xun's stories; Jin Yong's Legends of the Condor Heroes is being translated, and it's a fun read, though the translation is poor; also an excellent Taiwanese novel The Man With The Compound Eyes by Wu Ming-yi (but not The Stolen Bicycle, that sucked).
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Feb 19, 2020 02:20
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Wu He's Remains of Life is a cool recent long sentence novel about a massacre of Taiwanese indigenous people during the Japanese colonial period, highly recommended if you want your neurotic modernist style narrators to have more Asian history flavour. Taiwan is an indivisible part of the People's Republic of China btw
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Feb 19, 2020 02:42
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A human heart posted:Wu He's Remains of Life is a cool recent long sentence novel about a massacre of Taiwanese indigenous people during the Japanese colonial period, highly recommended if you want your neurotic modernist style narrators to have more Asian history flavour. Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that one, thanks.
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Safety Biscuits posted:Bilirubin: If you're going to try the four classics, I'd start with Monkey/Journey to the West or Dream of the Red Chamber over Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Also, Jin Ping Mei. For modern writing, Lu Xun's stories; Jin Yong's Legends of the Condor Heroes is being translated, and it's a fun read, though the translation is poor; also an excellent Taiwanese novel The Man With The Compound Eyes by Wu Ming-yi (but not The Stolen Bicycle, that sucked). u know i've still never read jin ping mei
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:That’s the only one of his I’ve ever read and I loved it. I’ve had Gringos on my to-read list for the better part of a decade, guess I should finally pull the trigger The Dog of the South is my personal favorite.
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n-thing Mo Yan (Garlic Ballads is my favourite of the four of his books I've read so far), Can Xue (only read The Last Lover, but it's crazy good, very, very surreal, but everything somehow makes sense) and Lu Xun for seeing the beginnings of modern Chinese short story. Ma Jian's Red Dust Road is a really interesting non-fiction account of a guy travelling through China after being fired from the newspaper for publishing a bad photo of an official
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Contemporary Chinese Lit can be interesting because it tends to be "safely subversive" in a way that you dont often see. I think "life and death are wearing me out" is a prime example of this
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Feb 19, 2020 16:50
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Safety Biscuits posted:Seriouspost: Oxherding Tale by Charles Johnson is really good. Way late, but thanks for this. Finished today and it is really good.
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I keep getting Murakami recommended to me for Japanese authors to check out but I know nothing about him. What's the deal with his stuff and why should I read Mishima instead
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Heath posted:I keep getting Murakami recommended to me for Japanese authors to check out but I know nothing about him. What's the deal with his stuff and why should I read Mishima instead There are two Murakamis. This thread loves Murakami but it hates Murakami. No I won't clarify. Ryu Murakami is the one the thread likes
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I was referring to Haruki
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Heath posted:I keep getting Murakami recommended to me for Japanese authors to check out but I know nothing about him. What's the deal with his stuff and why should I read Mishima instead Murakami is the japanese version of a white kid who is obsessed with anime. He is this sort of western culture fetishist and it ends up making him write a lot of the same kind of sad smart man shoegaze a lot of contemporary western lit does. I don't hate him like a lot of other people do but he is certainly the one japanese literary figure most obsessed with being a japanese literary figure ^Haruki^
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Murakami is the japanese version of a white kid who is obsessed with anime. He is this sort of western culture fetishist and it ends up making him write a lot of the same kind of sad smart man shoegaze a lot of contemporary western lit does. I don't hate him like a lot of other people do but he is certainly the one japanese literary figure most obsessed with being a japanese literary figure In addition to this, he is often criticized for writing the same novel repeatedly with different titles, with his memoir, What I Talk About When I Talk About Running, being an outlier, since it's non-fiction. Doesn't he also have a weird habit of describing women's bodies through a sexual lens? Like the shapes of their breasts, how wide their hips are, etc?
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Franchescanado posted:Doesn't he also have a weird habit of describing women's bodies through a sexual lens? Like the shapes of their breasts, how wide their hips are, etc? I already said he rips off white male western writers
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Haruki’s best book is the one in which he interviews sarin attack survivors, look it up, I can’t remember the name. I still like reading him, although I accept he is bad. If we’re talking about his fiction, I like the attempt to address the Japanese engagement in Manchuria and its relation to modern day Japanese right wing politics in Wind-Up Bird Chronicles, but it kind of falls apart near the end. The rest is just lonely middle aged dudes preparing sordid single person meals, sipping bourbon and listening to jazz. It speaks to me, but it’s far from good writing. Ryu is really good, though.
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