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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Of course there's nothing typical or predictable or rational about the Trump presidency or the true believers' faith in him so who knows how people will react????? The thought process is always going to be that Trump is perfection incarnate, and that there was nothing he could have done differently to change how this situation unfolded. It doesn't matter if you point out the thousands of different things he could have done better, or even how he's flip flopping about how he's handling the situation, or even that he (figuratively) said "Many of you will die, but that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make." re: sending people back to work in the middle of a pandemic.
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I said come in! posted:Don't get sick with this virus, everyone. Even if you survive, this is what your lungs are likely going to look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rgJOBHwTkM While some people will unfortunately get lung damage from this, remember there’s a wide range of outcomes. Something like half of the people who get the virus won’t even notice that they’ve been infected.
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Louisgod posted:exactly, people getting caught up on flipping states blue as if that somehow solves issues is some liberal succ thought process that needs to be aborted ASAP. Entertaining the hypothetical, let's say Texas and Florida go blue in November.. then what? What does that solve aside from letting a bunch of middle class white liberals high-fiving each other? People still died, the wealth gap is still insurmountable, millionaires and billionaires still control everything, and our underlying healthcare system is still a loving mess. Also doesn't help that this loving idiotic $2m "stimulus" bill has successfully repurposed wealth to the top 1% for years to come, with not enough done to help the actual people that are suffering. I mean, it's a great trick to keep your populace focused on anything but the reality. It's been done throughout human history. Tribalism. In our modern world it's Your Team. Blues and the Greens in Rome. Tried and true. The best way to talk politics to people, as I quickly found out even getting a bit worked up at work the other day about it, is to not talk politics. Drop all the -isms and even specific people. If you talk to people and say, I want people to not have to worry about having a roof over their head. I want people not to worry about not eating or not being able to feed their kids. I want people to not worry about healthcare. I don't care who's doing it, I will vote for them. I want that for everyone, even people that hate me because of -isms. Whatever. Who can disagree on wanting that for their own selves, family, other people they care about? It's so easy to get people to agree to those things as a baseline. If the smart people figure that out and change the entire message they put forward and drop the team game entirely, things can be pulled off. What other hope is there to get out of this without a mountain of dead?
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Mnoba posted:trumps oppositon lmao Trump is absolutely going to win. It sucks massively, we are in for another 4 years of this poo poo that will probably include another deadly pandemic, due to his incompetence. Next time it happens though, I bet it really only affects the United States because of Trump.
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DuckConference posted:While some people will unfortunately get lung damage from this, remember there’s a wide range of outcomes. Something like half of the people who get the virus won’t even notice that they’ve been infected. Note that I still definitely do not want to get this virus as a 35-year-old, even if I know the stuff in the news is all worst-case scenario. Once hospitals are swamped, things will be skewing a lot more towards worst-case.
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trash bags jfc https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1243149132883165192
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VikingSkull posted:I'm in NY and I don't even know someone who has it lol You're from some podunk nowhere in upstate lol.
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Clinical lab goon here. This is the testing criteria for our organization. Even if you have been exposed, unless you are seriously ill, you are NOT being tested. This is probably the norm for everyone due to shortage of supplies/labs running at full capacity. Our large lab can only do 400 tests per day at this point. 
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I said come in! posted:Trump is absolutely going to win. It sucks massively, we are in for another 4 years of this poo poo that will probably include another deadly pandemic, due to his incompetence. Next time it happens though, I bet it really only affects the United States because of Trump. I mean, he might totally win, but I really hate it when things devolve into a unipolar wankfest of catastrophizing. We have a lot of uncertainty now, so take what reassurance you can from it.
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You know, there was a video going around about two weeks ago that people were making fun of because it had a woman shuffling through the street in improvised trashbag PPE.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Why would you do that Money?
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unpacked robinhood posted:Why would you do that Panic buying, but from the source.
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Mar 26, 2020 17:12
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Zugzwang posted:I dunno man, if you're that certain about anything these days, I don't know what to tell you. Things are going to look very different in a few months, let alone 7 months. Most of the fundamentals actually look bad or hazy-at-best for Trump now, including the margin by which he's trailing Biden in most general polls. Nate Silver doesn't think even the electoral college could save Trump if things don't change on that front. Agreed. If acting smug while actually being violently depressed while wailing and pulling out your hair is anyone's thing, go hang out in the cool place called D&D.
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Mar 26, 2020 17:14
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There is a group in my town doing a sewing bee to make hand-made cloth masks. They look like surgical masks if surgical masks were made of Winnie the Pooh fabric with batting inside. There is no way in hell those things actually help, right?
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From what I hear they kinda help but aren't nearly as good as the real thing. Better something than nothing right? A lot of those depression and WWII home front tasks were more about morale than the actual contribution.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Why would you do that Wait does that mean their test never worked?
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Manager Hoyden posted:There is a group in my town doing a sewing bee to make hand-made cloth masks. They look like surgical masks if surgical masks were made of Winnie the Pooh fabric with batting inside. it's better than nothing at all but only just.
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I hope the sewing bee folks are working from home. Cloth masks probably help some, especially if someone is sick and can spread the virus. If they're blocking some droplets with virus from spraying everywhere, they're helping. Efficacy will matter based on a lot of factors, but they're better than nothing. They should absolutely not be treated as a perfect way of avoiding the infection. Bleusilences posted:Wait does that mean their test never worked?
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Mar 26, 2020 17:23
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Manager Hoyden posted:There is a group in my town doing a sewing bee to make hand-made cloth masks. They look like surgical masks if surgical masks were made of Winnie the Pooh fabric with batting inside. I've seen a lot of hospitals requesting these so docs can wear them over their N95 masks and then toss the cloth masks at the end of the day. I have also read if you are making the ones with vacuum bags as the filter they are ~70% as effective as the N95 masks. Tbqh I don't know how accurate that figure is.
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500000 people we are aware of positive, 22000 deaths America is 200 people away from passing Italy Man USA, you know you don't have to be #1 at everything
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stab posted:500000 people we are aware of positive, 22000 deaths Keep in mind proportional numbers. In that sense Italy is still ahead of us for the time being (for the time being).
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stab posted:500000 people we are aware of positive, 22000 deaths We already beat them
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Zugzwang posted:I dunno man, if you're that certain about anything these days, I don't know what to tell you. Things are going to look very different in a few months, let alone 7 months. Most of the fundamentals actually look bad or hazy-at-best for Trump now, including the margin by which he's trailing Biden in most general polls. Nate Silver doesn't think even the electoral college could save Trump if things don't change on that front. Getting close to too much politix itt
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Grape posted:Keep in mind proportional numbers. In that sense Italy is still ahead of us for the time being (for the time being). per capita
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stab posted:Man USA, you know you don't have to be #1 at everything We pride ourselves at being number 1 at only the bad stuff.
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stab posted:Man USA, you know you don't have to be #1 at everything If the rate of increase in new confirmed cases in the US holds steady from yesterday they'll pass China sometime today 
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TipsyMc posted:Clinical lab goon here. This is the testing criteria for our organization. Even if you have been exposed, unless you are seriously ill, you are NOT being tested. Why is this chart broken down by travel/exposure if that doesn't impact the decision? Seems needlessly confusing.
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so... uh... is that to keep people in or out? https://mobile.twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1243210861294039042
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Zugzwang posted:Tests can fail for a lot of reasons, the same as the initial CDC ones in the USA. Depending on what's in the kits, components may require cold or frozen storage. If that got loving up during shipping, bye-bye enzymes or whatever other bitchmade components are in there. I can see that happening, I worked at a company where the ink started to clog because it reacted to the high and low temperature during transport.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:If the rate of increase in new confirmed cases in the US holds steady from yesterday they'll pass China sometime today Can't believe China found a way to beat the natural curve irt data. The latest trends: 
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Bleusilences posted:Wait does that mean their test never worked? quote:The rapid tests, manufactured by the Chinese company Bioeasy, based in Shenzhen, one of the technological poles of the Asian country , have a sensitivity of 30%, when it should be higher than 80%, these sources indicate.
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Stink Billyums posted:so... uh... is that to keep people in or out? The United States military would not withstand a Canadian attack on their moose cavalry.
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Burt Sexual posted:Getting close to too much politix itt  I'll stick to 'Rona.Speaking of which, doctors at Mt. Sinai Hospital in NY are asking people who've recovered from COVID-19 to donate their plasma because they have antibodies to the virus. This is the closest thing we have to a vaccine right now. Too bad it won't provide lasting immunity.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why is this chart broken down by travel/exposure if that doesn't impact the decision? Seems needlessly confusing. At one point it did matter, the creator probably should have made a new graphic instead of just changing the parameters.
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This is a few days old, but still full of a lot of very useful info. It's a March 19th conference from UCSF with expert analysis on COVID-19. Mostly meant for a medical audience, but still worthwhile. (With some updated info from the March 10th notes posted ITT from UCSF earlier.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-BzEve46Y
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