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SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
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Angry Lobster posted:

Abnett loved to use this kind of filler phrases back then.
How's your humor?
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jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





At least he got better about all that. Robert Jordan went to his grave with his female characters "folding her arms beneath her breasts", "fisting her hips", "clutching her skirts", and "tugging her braid". :rolleyes:

Sextro
Aug 23, 2014

Listening to the nightlord audiobooks for the first time (read it the first time) and it really stands out how often ADB reminds the reader(listener) that everyone is standing around in growling power armor the color of midnight. Also red eye lenses, skull faced helm, and more!

I don't mind it in audiobook format though, really helps paint a picture in my mind.

E: I also love that some phrases read like placeholders. "I'll serve you some of whatever passes for fine alcohol in a place like the one you and I both live in"

Sextro fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Apr 12, 2020

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009
Wish these authors would stop loving describing things, ugh.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

susan posted:

How skippable is 'First Wall'? Like, can one go straight from 'Lost & Damned' to 'Saturnine' without missing a beat, or is there meat in 'Wall' that ought be chewed on first?

It sucked and like 2 cool exchanges and one decent set piece. Totally skippable filler.

If anyone knows how to get a copy of saturine they should let us know. Just let me give you money black library jesus

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



Fellblade posted:

Wish these authors would stop loving describing things, ugh.
The animorphs books have almost zero detail at what everything looks like and they flow so much better than a lot of books I've read by more critically acclaimed authors.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
Saturnine picks up immediately after first wall and establishes clear and meaningful stakes within the first 2 chapters. First Wall is entirely skippable.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Syncopated posted:

That's not how that works Dan!!

You're talking about the author who created Ravenor's voluptuous gymnast sidekick. Logic will not dictate how these women look.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
What's some good Space Marine bolter porn available on Audible? I've already listened to Helsreach. Ideally not Horus Heresy.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

susan posted:

How skippable is 'First Wall'? Like, can one go straight from 'Lost & Damned' to 'Saturnine' without missing a beat, or is there meat in 'Wall' that ought be chewed on first?

The Wall is great, best Siege book so far easily.


Train plotline was great.


I haven’t read Saturnine.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

The Iron Rose posted:

The Wall is great, best Siege book so far easily.


Train plotline was great.


I haven’t read Saturnine.

Finally, a kindred spirit.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

peanut- posted:

What's some good Space Marine bolter porn available on Audible? I've already listened to Helsreach. Ideally not Horus Heresy.

Apocalypse was the best "nothing but bolter porn" book BL has put out in a couple of years. Not sure if the audiobook is worth a poo poo, but the book itself was just really good pulp bolter porn.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Waroduce posted:

It sucked and like 2 cool exchanges and one decent set piece. Totally skippable filler.

If anyone knows how to get a copy of saturine they should let us know. Just let me give you money black library jesus

There are sources. Haven't seen a scanned Saturnine yet. Since I buy all the LE editions I don't feel bad doing it for my rereads to cut down on wear and tear.

Chiwie
Oct 21, 2010

DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

peanut- posted:

What's some good Space Marine bolter porn available on Audible? I've already listened to Helsreach. Ideally not Horus Heresy.

If you liked Helsreach you will love Spear of the Emperor.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007
Show yourself Henry Cavill.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-39B5ShMWw/

quote:

Considering we are, both, going through the Easter period, and going through The Lockdown, I figured it a good time to put a silver lining onto the cloud that is some of the darker moments during this time. So I've decided to polish some old skills and try my hand at some new ones! It is a time of rebirth after all. So, as you can see here, the obvious might look a little bit like a tiny helmet...which it is. One of my almost life long hobbies, that I've been following but not actively doing, is this. A company called Games Workshop...or plastic crack as "we" call it. Genuinely can't get enough of the lore they have built over the decades. They have been some of my most enthused reads! If you were in denial about me being a geek before, you can't hide from it now. Also, in the background of this photo, there may just be some completely new skills I'm working on.....or there may not be, so all of your eye squinting and attempts at digital unfocusing will be in vain....orrrr maybe they won't.

I also wanted to take this opportunity to thank, from the bottom of my heart, all of the NHS (National Health Service, here in the UK) and healthcare workers worldwide, for your unceasing efforts to protect us. I imagine it might be feeling a little rough right now, but you Ladies and Gents are absolutely smashing it! Keep it up! You got this. "Hold on a second", I hear you utter....."if he has both hands in the photo...how is he taking the photo??" New skills, my friends....new skills.

peanut- posted:

What's some good Space Marine bolter porn available on Audible? I've already listened to Helsreach. Ideally not Horus Heresy.
It's not Space Marines, but Cadia Stands is a lot of fun. It focuses on IG canon fodder during the fall of Cadia. Just avoid Cadian Honor. That book loving sucks.

Chemtrailologist fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Apr 13, 2020

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

D-Pad posted:

Apocalypse was the best "nothing but bolter porn" book BL has put out in a couple of years. Not sure if the audiobook is worth a poo poo, but the book itself was just really good pulp bolter porn.

This looks like it fits my needs very well, thanks.

Just finished The Hollow Mountain which was quite disappointing compared to all the other Chris Wraight stuff on Terra. Fairly engaging to read, but ultimately it goes absolutely nowhere.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Improbable Lobster posted:

Carrion Throne has been excellent so far

It is yes. Reading Hollow Mountain myself and while it hasn't had any of those moments yet it's still really good.
The only disappointment so far is that the whole Great Rift happening only gets a minor mention. At least from one of the POV.
At least the environment descriptions are so deliciously grimdark.

jng2058 posted:

At least he got better about all that. Robert Jordan went to his grave with his female characters "folding her arms beneath her breasts", "fisting her hips", "clutching her skirts", and "tugging her braid". :rolleyes:

Oh god, I remember that. I read them translated into Swedish and I still remember that. (Also the fact they were all chopped into two books for some reason.)

Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Apr 13, 2020

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

The Gaunts Ghosts books are great and then out of nowhere you get some really skeevy descriptions of women and it's like welp guess this is really is still trash genre fiction

Her grimdark titties breasted boobily on the battlefield

Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Apr 13, 2020

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

peanut- posted:

Just finished The Hollow Mountain which was quite disappointing compared to all the other Chris Wraight stuff on Terra. Fairly engaging to read, but ultimately it goes absolutely nowhere.

Hollow Mountain definitely feels like a very "Middle Of The Trilogy" book in that you get to the end and it's really just setup for the next one. But I also think Crowl and his crew are cool enough that I didn't really mind.

In a related vein, I love the perspective you get on the Astartes from the Watchers of the Throne books, since the Custodes are one of the only groups in the Imperium who know the actual history and context of the Heresy.

Jack Ketch
Jul 5, 2005

:getin:
Lipstick Apathy
If I read Lord's of Silence and loved it, also read a bit of horus heresy stuff back when the books started but fell off, what should I be looking for in that vein? Watchers of the throne? More looking for the new stuff etc.

Edit: loved night Lord's and should get around to finishing Gaunt off sometime, didnt have to be CSM but was looking more Chris Wraight in general. Though I assume the vault of terra series is the inquisitor one with hollow mountain? Sorry, not up on my books and more than a tad high.

Jack Ketch fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Apr 14, 2020

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

LoS is pretty unique. The Night Lords trilogy is another great series about CSMs, but they are much different characters. The Black Legion series is also great.

If you like Chris Wraight, and you should, I would read The Vault of Terra and Watcher's of the Throne series next. It's his best work and all 4 books are amazing.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Spinoza owns.

Jack Ketch
Jul 5, 2005

:getin:
Lipstick Apathy

D-Pad posted:

LoS is pretty unique. The Night Lords trilogy is another great series about CSMs, but they are much different characters. The Black Legion series is also great.

If you like Chris Wraight, and you should, I would read The Vault of Terra and Watcher's of the Throne series next. It's his best work and all 4 books are amazing.

Would I want to start with Vault or Watcher's, does it matter much?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Good question. They are set during the same time. Watchers deals with things on a macro scale and you get a good look into what is happening at the leadership level. Vaults is at a micro level following an inquisitor's involvement in an investigation. Personally, I would say read Watchers first then Vaults, it will give you more context going into Vaults.

Jack Ketch
Jul 5, 2005

:getin:
Lipstick Apathy

D-Pad posted:

Good question. They are set during the same time. Watchers deals with things on a macro scale and you get a good look into what is happening at the leadership level. Vaults is at a micro level following an inquisitor's involvement in an investigation. Personally, I would say read Watchers first then Vaults, it will give you more context going into Vaults.

Awesome, thanks!

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013
I'm about 90% through The First Wall now, and I must admit it got a little better when the daemon incursions started. Forrix poo poo talking Kroeger was great and there are some redeeming scenes. But overall if still feels like filler bolter porn. And it's not just because giant battle scenes between nameless marines doesn't mean anything because Know No Fear was amazing.

BTW - Not calling you out Duzzy Funlop, but expanding on a few things

Duzzy Funlop posted:


I get that we like to riff on books and passages for the fun of it, but I'm getting the feeling like some folks are then almost "hate-reading" the books based on the initial impression shared in here.

I think part of it is that the general quality has been creeping up since the days of Furious Abyss. At this late stage in the game it's a bigger deal having a "meh" story thrown at us. I stopped reading the HH books about 40 books in because I was tired of bullshit filler and then scenes that require you to have listened to some obscure "audio drama" for some key character to pop up.

I don't do audio books. As far as I'm concerned, Loken is still crushed under the rubble at Istvaan. There was something in Vengeful Spirit where he was back, but... I just glazed over why he was suddenly there and fine.

Duzzy Funlop posted:


This post was especially confusing, because I assume you read the previous books that involved Kharn, right? He's been doing that Hnnnn thing increasingly more frequent as he further spiraled into Khone-worship, so this isn't anything new really?


Again, I know Kharn from Betrayer (and the scene from the first trilogy where he's impaled on a tank). I know he's always been the avatar of beserker rage, but having his speech spelt out like that feels like reading a comic book. Better authors will describe that his speech is broken and punctuated with drooling, etc. Look at Uzas in the Night Lords trilogy. Same kind of character, but much better to read about. Maybe I prefer to hear the voices in my head from the description rather than having them spelt out for me.


Duzzy Funlop posted:


I honestly have no idea what your beef with the switching of the scenes is. It's standard bolter-porn in a couple of different settings, then another front is opened up as Abaddon, Layak & Co. join the fray, and that's pretty much it? :shrug:


The scene switching felt clumsy because it was juggling time skips as well. It's one thing jumping between different story archs in a story - it's expected in all media - but going from a frantic battle on the sky ports and then slamming the brakes on and going to "back on the train... 120 hours before some point around what you were just reading" is just clunky.

I will admit that the thread was right and it does pick up a bit as it goes on, and I'm not finished yet so lets see. Assuming the twist everyone is talking about is the free corps are traitors then I didn't see it coming either. But it wasn't an "OMG OF COURSE!!!" moment. More a "wait, I need to read that again, WTF" moment.

If this book had been released 6-7 years ago we'd be saying it was a strong entry, but after the steady growth of genuinely good books it feels like a step back (jesus christ, 14 years since Horus Rising?!). I told myself I wasn't reading any more HH books until the Emperor was literally swinging on Horus. Then Seige of Terra series started and seemed to be speeding things up.

Looking forward to Saturine though. I've managed to avoid spoilers so far (but will probably hover over black barred spoilers in here because I am weak)

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

I will defend the Addaba Free Corps to the death.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

The sudden Dune homage in Hollow Mountain was not something I expected to see but loved regardless.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
I've not read Dune in a long time, what was the homage?

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

peanut- posted:

I've not read Dune in a long time, what was the homage?

There was a millennia old all powerful emperor and AI was forbidden by religious decree. Also, space travels require post human navigators.*

*These references might possibly occur in other 40k books too.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Zudgemud posted:

There was a millennia old all powerful emperor and AI was forbidden by religious decree. Also, space travels require post human navigators.*

*These references might possibly occur in other 40k books too.

That's been part of 40k lore since the Rogue Trader era, it's no secret that 40k originally drawed heavily/plagiarized/paid homage to Dune.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

There is AI in W40k tho

Way way way way way way more than Dune where there is none. In the original books.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

euphronius posted:

There is AI in W40k tho

Way way way way way way more than Dune where there is none. In the original books.

Genocidal kill bots from the dark age of technology don't count.

And neither do Cawl's works. Because reasons. Stop asking.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012


man, based on henry cavill's ridiculous physicality in Mission Impossible, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a gloriously mustachioed Space Marine.

honestly, it was probably my favorite part of that excellent movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUbb5l0lYT8

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Famethrowa posted:

man, based on henry cavill's ridiculous physicality in Mission Impossible, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a gloriously mustachioed Space Marine.

honestly, it was probably my favorite part of that excellent movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUbb5l0lYT8

That fist piston owns.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Azubah posted:

That fist piston owns.

that and the mustache that ruined (justifiably I mean look at it) Justice League. it's fantastic.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
Henry Cavill as a Primaris marine opposite Dave Bautista as a non Primaris marine fighting side by side.

BigShasta
Oct 28, 2010
I think he'd be wasted as a space marine, getting cg'd to oblivion. My vote is Henry Cavill for Harlon Nayl.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Cavill for Ciaphas Cain or Alizebeth Bequin

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Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?
Cavill as someone who fails upwards because of his good looks and luck is what I was thinking. He's played enough competent heroes, he needs to be a handsome idiot a few times.

E: The Lion is a handsome idiot so he wouldn't even have to be a minor character for that.

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