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pseudanonymous posted:Yes but why? Why the elaborate plot with having Sansa bring the poison in and someone else take it off them and use it? Doesn't that seem unnecessarily complex? I think her escaping was a Littlefinger side plot that the Tyrells didn't know about. So maybe the Tyrells were planning on her and Tyrion both taking the fall? It still does seem overly complex and not make a ton of sense though.
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# ? May 13, 2020 23:07 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 09:11 |
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i think littlefinger told sansa that olenna used her to kill joffrey, but he was just making stuff up so sansa would come with him, he was probably planning to kidnap her at the wedding anyway. cersei probably accidentally poisoned joffrey and intended to poison tyrion. i believe this theory was posited by preston jacobs but it makes sense to me
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# ? May 13, 2020 23:09 |
scary ghost dog posted:i believe this theory was posited by preston jacobs but it makes sense to me Stop and think about that for a while.
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# ? May 13, 2020 23:18 |
Like it's not really that complicated, GRRM just wanted to have Sansa involved and came up with a convoluted way of sneaking in the poison. It's what happened, even the ghost of High Heart mentions it. I don't think the Tyrells were planning on pinning it on her, they just didn't really give a poo poo who got blamed as long as it wasn't them.
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# ? May 14, 2020 00:22 |
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pseudanonymous posted:Is there a definitive answer to like.. what happened at the Purple wedding? I mean I know there was this whole thing with Sansa and her jewelry. Was that the poison then? Was it magic? I thought the Queen of Thorns lady did it, so why put the poison on Sansa. Like was there a poison sniffer or something? I never understood what the point of that was, just to make Sansa feel guilty and needlessly complicate things? The Queen of Thorns poisons Joffrey because she knows what sort of uncontrollable monster he is. She hid the poison in jewelry she gave Sansa, ensuring the poison will be available and it happened to help give a scapegoat so that the Lannisters wouldn't target them, since that'd ruin their plans to have the much less insane and more easily controlled prince marry the girl whose name I forgot already. There's a reason everyone feared and/or respected that woman. She's no fool and she knows what sort of hell her granddaughter would be put through and the earlier chat with Sansa confirms for her that yes, Joffrey really is as horrible and mentally unhinged as everyone says and Sansa had the benefit of having been kept protected and chase for marriage.
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# ? May 14, 2020 01:02 |
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We know all that, is just that she could have carried the poison in her pocket and it would have been the same (only safer)
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# ? May 14, 2020 01:05 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:We know all that, is just that she could have carried the poison in her pocket and it would have been the same (only safer) Its not safer though. If she was caught she couldn't try again and house Tyrell would be destroyed. If Sansa was caught house Tyrell would be safe and she could try again.
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# ? May 14, 2020 01:50 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:We know all that, is just that she could have carried the poison in her pocket and it would have been the same (only safer) Sansa was a. guaranteed to be there and b. an easy scapegoat related to a family already known to be against the Lannisters. On the very, very slim chance the poison was found before Olenna had a chance to slip it into Joffrey's drink, better it be on the Stark girl than on her.
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# ? May 14, 2020 01:54 |
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esperterra posted:Sansa was a. guaranteed to be there and b. an easy scapegoat related to a family already known to be against the Lannisters. On the very, very slim chance the poison was found before Olenna had a chance to slip it into Joffrey's drink, better it be on the Stark girl than on her. Right but this relies on a conspirator who is a drunk and threatened with death and is Joffrey's jester. So like, does it really decrease the risk to go through these circumlocutions in order to have Sansa involved? There's no mention of poison detecting or sniffing or people being searched ever, so it sure seems like the risk that Dontos will talk is much higher than that Olenna will be inspected for the first time ever.
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# ? May 14, 2020 02:33 |
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Cavelcade posted:Stop and think about that for a while. i mean, joffrey ostentatiously eats tyrions food. i think he drinks his drink too. and cersei would still think tyrion killed him if she thinks he caught on to the poison and gave it to joffrey.
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# ? May 14, 2020 03:30 |
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Why didn't Olena just like shoot Joffrey you guys?
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# ? May 14, 2020 04:29 |
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The purple wedding was underwhelming because it was at the point where D&D started to fully embrace the fanservice aspects of the show so you got these 'character interactions' which basically amount to two characters bumping into one another going 'hi'.
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# ? May 14, 2020 04:47 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:Why didn't Olena just like shoot Joffrey you guys? And make sure to do it while Rains of Castamere is playing, then you can blame the Lannisters!
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# ? May 14, 2020 04:54 |
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The whole kill the ruler become the ruler, method of succession was very much not how the whole of Westeros nobility was built. Such a lazy narrative shortcut, was it contempt for the source material?
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# ? May 14, 2020 13:41 |
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The poisoned hairnet is on Sansa because Littlefinger needed her to be complicit in the murder so she'd think she couldn't go anywhere but with him and to make her grateful to him for saving her and a bunch of other gross grooming poo poo.
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# ? May 15, 2020 06:50 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The purple wedding was underwhelming because it was at the point where D&D started to fully embrace the fanservice aspects of the show so you got these 'character interactions' which basically amount to two characters bumping into one another going 'hi'. Oh to be back in those naive times when we all had a modicum of faith in those two bozos and thought "oh this is going to pay off to something meaningful later on".
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# ? May 15, 2020 09:43 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh to be back in those naive times when we all had a modicum of faith in those two bozos and thought "oh this is going to pay off to something meaningful later on". So many words on the internet of people going 'can't wait for X to meet Y' and then they meet and it's "we have tons of unresolved poo poo, don't we?" "yup, we do" *poo poo never gets mentioned again*. In the later seasons when viewers were being fed nonsense that didn't even move the plot between set pieces and people were still going 'book nerds angry that their words got changed', loving bad pussy, I tell you. loving dorne. How come at no point did these two idiots even give enough fucks to go 'alright, clearly the fat man is not going to give us more words, maybe we can hire some competent TV writer to iron out an outline for following seasons so that poo poo generally makes sense?'. Probably an ego thing I guess.
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# ? May 15, 2020 18:37 |
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Reminder that in the books Tyrion has yet to meet Dany lol
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# ? May 15, 2020 18:49 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Reminder that in the books Tyrion has yet to meet Dany lol I think in the very last book he actually does. But then the book ends.
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# ? May 15, 2020 19:04 |
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Libluini posted:I think in the very last book he actually does. But then the book ends. He sees her flying off on Drogon's back, but they don't meet.
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# ? May 15, 2020 19:30 |
oh my god I forgot about the lord of the rings hunters quest to find dany and seeing the broach in the grass that was trampled by thousands of horses
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# ? May 15, 2020 19:47 |
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Even if GRRM could live long enough to release another two books I’m convinced that that wouldn’t be enough to finish the story. Even if he rushes through everything as fast as possible Winds of Winter can only get as far as Dany sailing to Westeros. Which if you remember was the Season 6 finale.
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# ? May 15, 2020 21:31 |
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Oh it would definitely get bloated to add another book or two.
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# ? May 15, 2020 21:52 |
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Yeah there's zero chance he hasn't realized that for awhile and it's certainly part of what is fueling his massive writer's block/procrastination. The dread from knowing he's more realistically about half-way through this series which he has lost all interest in writing.
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# ? May 15, 2020 22:20 |
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It’s his own drat fault for going too far in expanding the breadth of the story in the last two half books instead of actually advancing the main plot lines toward a resolution.
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# ? May 15, 2020 22:30 |
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Ehh, in the end I'm happier with half Victarion's story than I would be with none of it.
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# ? May 15, 2020 23:16 |
Truth of it is the only way he’ll finish it is to kill off a bunch of people as frivolously as the show and be hated for it. He’s the ultimate monkeys paw victim and it really kind of owns. I just hope he wakes up everyday unable to enjoy his fame and fortune knowing that he’ll never complete his masterpiece.
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# ? May 15, 2020 23:23 |
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What year was the American Tolkien article written?
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# ? May 16, 2020 00:51 |
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Someone should host a panel discussion and invite Rothfuss and Martin and then change the discussion topic to "how to best profit off series you've no intention of finishing".
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# ? May 16, 2020 01:03 |
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Libluini posted:I think in the very last book he actually does. But then the book ends. Nah she fucks off on the Dragon while he is enslaved.
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# ? May 16, 2020 04:38 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s his own drat fault for going too far in expanding the breadth of the story in the last two half books instead of actually advancing the main plot lines toward a resolution. Yeah, if he dumped the Quentyn failquest, Iron islands succession story, Tyrion and the fake heir and just got Dany moving back across the ocean and concentrated on Westeros and the White Walkers, i.e. the stuff people actually cared about, he'd have probably (well possibly, it's still GRRM we're talking about here) have finished by now.
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# ? May 16, 2020 10:08 |
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Me I feel he started throw in new plots at every direction because he didn't knew how to advance the main plots anymore, he got lost. That's what I felt reading the last 2 books The TV show writers had no idea either, so they solved it just moving every piece to where they were supposed to get to wrap the thing up, which was bad and frustrating, but they had to finish it and they did
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# ? May 16, 2020 16:59 |
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I can definitely believe GRRM told them how it ended and the fate of each character, with a "but I have no loving idea how to get there" disclaimer because it really shows for the last few seasons.
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# ? May 16, 2020 17:28 |
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It’s funny how some people try and reassure themselves that GRRM has notes that can be used by others to complete the story if he dies. First of all there are no notes. Secondly you know what’s the closest thing to notes that exists? The show that we all hate.
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# ? May 16, 2020 17:29 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s funny how some people try and reassure themselves that GRRM has notes that can be used by others to complete the story if he dies. First of all there are no notes. Secondly you know what’s the closest thing to notes that exists? The show that we all hate. Sanderson did such a bang-up job with the Wheel of Time, and the way he blamed every problem in his works on a dead man shows he's a real class act who can take the criticism that'll be leveled at anyone who touches such a well-known IP, I'm sure he'll be equally adroit at resolving the Merenese knot and bringing ASoIaF to a satisfying conclusion.
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# ? May 16, 2020 18:09 |
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Sanderson is a great hire to really flesh out the blood magic system.
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# ? May 16, 2020 20:01 |
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Besides, GRRM has always said that the notes he does have are going with him when he dies. Motherfucker lowkey romanticizes the idea of kicking the bucket and his story going unfinished.
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# ? May 16, 2020 20:33 |
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The only notes he ever had were for the original trilogy he laid out in the mid 90s that’s freely available to see online.
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# ? May 16, 2020 21:07 |
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That's the one where Jon and Tyrion both wanna bang Arya right?
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# ? May 16, 2020 21:46 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Sanderson is a great hire to really flesh out the blood magic system. He never even finished volume 2 of "Ways and means of Blight agriculture in the modern era" it hardly seems like he's qualified to do the kind of exhaustive worldbuilding that is required to support 700 feet of ice.
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