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was really hoping for an ending similar to gaolang and kaneda
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# ? May 28, 2020 18:14 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 04:17 |
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If this is the closest thing to Virtua Fighter in 2020 I'll take it
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# ? May 28, 2020 18:20 |
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Huh, so am I the only one who liked this conclusion to the fight? IIRC, Gaolong never really fought under a rule-set where ring-out would be a factor, so him overlooking it as a possible win condition and letting himself lured into one by opponent far more experienced with such rules is pretty plausible. It is also good way to drive home the point that the difference in rules between Kengan and Purgatory is not just some window-dressing, but something that's actually significant and important for the matches. Plus it's not like Gaolong jobbed, it's extremely clear that he was absolutely dominating the match and that he is the stronger fighter, regardless if it ends up being his loss or a tie due to technicality.
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# ? May 28, 2020 18:46 |
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Lt. Lizard posted:Huh, so am I the only one who liked this conclusion to the fight? I feel the same but it's more of a "bullshit but understandable" thing.
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# ? May 28, 2020 18:53 |
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It's a fine outcome, we ain't playing by Kengan rules here
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# ? May 28, 2020 19:36 |
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If I'm a corporation, the idea that the potential rules allow for such an insanely random outcome to occur would be a red flag to end all red flags.
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# ? May 28, 2020 19:36 |
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purgatory isn't a corporation fights competition its just an underground one. toyoda pays for everything himself
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# ? May 28, 2020 19:57 |
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yeah purgatory is just a business right now. if they win the tournament THEN they become the corporation fight competition.
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# ? May 28, 2020 20:02 |
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Zodiac5000 posted:If I'm a corporation, the idea that the potential rules allow for such an insanely random outcome to occur would be a red flag to end all red flags. This is honestly the first change that would negatively impact the fighters of the Kengan Association as well. Up until this point it was only the corporations that stood to lose anything if Purgatory took over since otherwise, Purgatory's rules benefit the fighters much like Nogi's new rules. But how many really wants to lose a match because they got a ring out if you're coming from the kengan side? That's going to be killer for morale.
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# ? May 28, 2020 20:06 |
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Yeah, but if Purgatory wins they're keeping their rules, right? If I'm a corporation in the Kengan Association I have a fairly reasonable degree of confidence that the better fighter wins (barring poo poo like Raian playing with his food). Seeing an outcome where it ends up a draw despite one fighter completely outclassing the other in every way would be a concerning thing to base business on.
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# ? May 28, 2020 20:07 |
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yeah toyodas gonna get loving murked if he actually tried to put those rules in.
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# ? May 28, 2020 20:22 |
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Zodiac5000 posted:Yeah, but if Purgatory wins they're keeping their rules, right? If I'm a corporation in the Kengan Association I have a fairly reasonable degree of confidence that the better fighter wins (barring poo poo like Raian playing with his food). Seeing an outcome where it ends up a draw despite one fighter completely outclassing the other in every way would be a concerning thing to base business on. I agree, companies would riot if they realized they could lose a billion dollar deal because of a technicality.
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# ? May 28, 2020 20:53 |
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Zodiac5000 posted:If I'm a corporation, the idea that the potential rules allow for such an insanely random outcome to occur would be a red flag to end all red flags. Ring outs aren't insanely random. This is 100% the case of gaolang man handling a dude so hard he forgot the rules and the guy thats been fighting it for linger exploiting it. Under no circumstances would gaolang let it happen if he was more conscious of the rule, since he was 100% controlling the fight at that point
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:05 |
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I'm fine with a Gaolang loss here, the purgatory guy realized he was outmatched and did the only winning strategy left to him. I much prefer Gaolang losing this way (and illustrating some differences between kengan and purgatory) than purgatory guy pulling out some bullshit to win with less weight/reach. Although I agree that the line about Gaolang being "too public" of a fighter for the underground is a little weird when he was an accomplished kengan fighter.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:12 |
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it does seem like a pretty huge advantage for the Purgatory guys that they've been fighting in this ruleset enough to know how to take full advantage of it, but I guess that speaks to Toyoda's negotiating power
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:13 |
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I do hope that one of the 'curbstomp' fights will be Julius , Toa or Wakatsuki just chucking a fool out of the ring like a fastball.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:18 |
Fellis posted:I'm fine with a Gaolang loss here, the purgatory guy realized he was outmatched and did the only winning strategy left to him. I much prefer Gaolang losing this way (and illustrating some differences between kengan and purgatory) than purgatory guy pulling out some bullshit to win with less weight/reach. Although I agree that the line about Gaolang being "too public" of a fighter for the underground is a little weird when he was an accomplished kengan fighter. especially when ringouts are something that's more associated with certain public fighting rules than what you'd expect from an underground arena
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:20 |
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Fellis posted:Although I agree that the line about Gaolang being "too public" of a fighter for the underground is a little weird when he was an accomplished kengan fighter. He's literally only fought in two Kenyan matches ever, both in the annihilation tournament two years ago. It states his match against Kaneda is his first Kenyan appearance, then he loses to Fang and spends 2 years training.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:25 |
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Fellis posted:I'm fine with a Gaolang loss here, the purgatory guy realized he was outmatched and did the only winning strategy left to him. I much prefer Gaolang losing this way (and illustrating some differences between kengan and purgatory) than purgatory guy pulling out some bullshit to win with less weight/reach. Although I agree that the line about Gaolang being "too public" of a fighter for the underground is a little weird when he was an accomplished kengan fighter. I'd be interested in what caused Carlos to make this kind of shift in mentality since he is presented as a pure boxer who stepped out of the public eye because he just couldn't get the fights he wanted. Because he went for a pretty cheap victory attempt for a guy who put his all into fighting and finding ways to keep his body on par with the fighters he was up against.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:39 |
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team overhead smash posted:He's literally only fought in two Kenyan matches ever, both in the annihilation tournament two years ago. It states his match against Kaneda is his first Kenyan appearance, then he loses to Fang and spends 2 years training. Oh huh, i forgot that. I thought he had fought in more before that, it was just rare because he only fought for Thailand's interests.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:41 |
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Brought To You By posted:I'd be interested in what caused Carlos to make this kind of shift in mentality since he is presented as a pure boxer who stepped out of the public eye because he just couldn't get the fights he wanted. Because he went for a pretty cheap victory attempt for a guy who put his all into fighting and finding ways to keep his body on par with the fighters he was up against. I think it's that realization Cosmo had were what he really liked was winning the fight, not the fighting. Fighting Gaolang was golden opportunity I always wanted to go at this dude sorta deal until Oh poo poo, I'm getting utterly rocked over here and not even my online capoeira course can stop him. So he gets all bitter and decides that if he can't win the fight maybe he can salvage some pride by winning the match.
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# ? May 28, 2020 22:05 |
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boring fight, i'm out
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# ? May 28, 2020 22:07 |
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Yeah it's basically Carlos throwing a fit because he was getting beaten in a straight-up fight and leveraging the rules to still get out of it with a win.
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# ? May 28, 2020 22:35 |
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We all knew ring outs were a thing so I'm glad it's at least over unless one of the monsters throws someone out
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# ? May 28, 2020 22:52 |
Jose posted:We all knew ring outs were a thing so I'm glad it's at least over unless one of the monsters throws someone out Really I'm just sad now Kiozan isn't here to have a representative from a sport where ring outs are common.
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# ? May 28, 2020 23:28 |
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It reminds me of sumo but sadly no Kiozan here to take advantage of it in response. Edit: dammit
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# ? May 28, 2020 23:30 |
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lots of purgatory bootlickers itt
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# ? May 29, 2020 00:06 |
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It'll be worth it when Julius just effortlessly chucks someone out of the ring.
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# ? May 29, 2020 00:09 |
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Ringout unfamiliarity would have never happened with Kiozan
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# ? May 29, 2020 01:44 |
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Caidin posted:I think it's that realization Cosmo had were what he really liked was winning the fight, not the fighting. Fighting Gaolang was golden opportunity I always wanted to go at this dude sorta deal until Oh poo poo, I'm getting utterly rocked over here and not even my online capoeira course can stop him. See, I was hoping to get more purgatory fighters that are bros like Jose. But instead we're just going to have a conga line of Hikaru's aren't we?
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# ? May 29, 2020 01:54 |
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I'm okay with Gaolang losing for the reasons other posters have mentioned, and I don't fault Carlos for going for that tactic. It gives Kengan a loss (or a draw) and instills the Kengan team with the realization that they're not fighting by their own rules anymore. At the same time, it allows Galong to preserve his aura of strength (he proved himself to be the superior fighter) instead of having him be chumped as a sacrifice.Lt. Lizard posted:Huh, so am I the only one who liked this conclusion to the fight? This is probs the post I identify the most with. Carlos is a bit disappointing though. He comes off as a cool dude initially, what with him being bros with Good Boi Jose, but then he gets pretty whiny at the end. I can understand why he's like that, but that doesn't mean I fully enjoy it. Still, Kengan's rarely disappointed me, so it's not like this one battle/character is gonna change my opinion when it's been very good so far. Caidin posted:I think it's that realization Cosmo had were what he really liked was winning the fight, not the fighting. Fighting Gaolang was golden opportunity I always wanted to go at this dude sorta deal until Oh poo poo, I'm getting utterly rocked over here and not even my online capoeira course can stop him. That, and potentially some jealousy, maybe? Like, Gaolang got what Carlos never had the opportunity to have in the public stage, and now he's also muscling on his turf in the underground stage. If they'd fought in the public stage and Carlos lost, he probably wouldn't have shown that sorta bitterness.
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# ? May 29, 2020 02:29 |
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i want julius to pick up and throw the largest guy in purgatory. he doesn't have to do anything else the entire arc. and honestly, aside from being comically large and naked he's a terrible person so that would be for the best.
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# ? May 29, 2020 02:39 |
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Julius adheres to the basic etiquette of society (doesn't bring in protein shakes to a diner without permission from the establishment), is willing to learn about foreign cultures (hangs out with the non-Japanese fighters to calmly discuss and learn more about Japanese culture), is trusting (legitimately believes Saw Paing when he tells the non-Japanese fighters about Japanese culture), is a hard working (taught himself how to be STRONG with books), and has a sense of shame (admonishes Nikaido for wearing his terrible clothes in public).
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# ? May 29, 2020 02:43 |
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Literally every fighter except the actual psychopaths like Setsuna and Meguro were humanized in the 4koma chapters, it's part of what makes them so great. I'm sure that once all these Purgatory dudes get backstory and have fights, the ones that aren't secret Worm spies will also turn out to be perfectly friendly.
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# ? May 29, 2020 03:00 |
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Even Meguro thought Nikaido was a pervert also he looked cute in his winter scarf
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# ? May 29, 2020 03:03 |
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Begemot posted:Literally every fighter except the actual psychopaths like Setsuna and Meguro were humanized in the 4koma chapters, it's part of what makes them so great. I hope after the manga is finished Doreamon just starts putting out a lot of 4komas of the characters.
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# ? May 29, 2020 03:30 |
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Nikaido really benefits from the side-chapters/comics. In the manga, he's mainly just ovreconfident and gets owned. Then in the side-chapter, we find out that he's the most personable/talkative member of Hayami's hired help. Then in the 4koma comics, we find out that he used to be super shy as a kid, so maybe his current affinity for revealing/terrible clothes and talkative nature is a result of his efforts to overcome his childhood issues. Plus, he leaves flowers on Meguro's grave in the end of the series, and combined with the affable nature he demonstrates in the side-chapter, we can assume that Nikaido's actually a pretty decent teammate. His underlings also seem to have no qualms speaking to him, so he's probably a decent boss as well. In short, Nikaido's an okay dude when he's not threatening to ruin a person's business on behalf of his capitalist pig of a boss.
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# ? May 29, 2020 03:31 |
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My favourite part of Nikaido was that he brought enough seasickness pills for everyone. Very considerate!
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# ? May 29, 2020 03:43 |
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:and I don't fault Carlos for going for that tactic. quote:This is probs the post I identify the most with. It just sucks that the guy called El Dorado has no values in the end if winning is all that matters to him. It's honestly a continuation of his fall from grace and the public eye. The man is metaphorically and literally a shell of his former self at this point.
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# ? May 29, 2020 04:03 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 04:17 |
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I mean, Meguro and Setsuna both had obvious severe mental health issues as well which humanizes them as well. If you want an actual psychopath, Bando mcstretch Armstrong serial killer is who you should look at.
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