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Trin Tragula posted:"Defund the police" and "abolish the police" are about a million miles from becoming uncontroversial mainstream accepted ideas. The entire genre of
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Trin Tragula posted:"Defund the police" and "abolish the police" are about a million miles from becoming uncontroversial mainstream accepted ideas. The entire genre of I remember some years ago a retired police detective was being extremely annoying at the local pub so I told everyone he was a retired police detective and none of the regulars would talk to him at all after that so he stopped coming in. I don't think a lot of online left goes to my local pub. tl;dr: "gently caress the police" wasn't an online left song. e: I'm not saying the fact that the vast majority of people has absolutely loathed all police for decades matters in the least vis-à-vis Terry Pratchett filmatisations because it doesn't, but also consider this: no John, you are the on-line. 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Jun 16, 2020 16:56
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On the other hand, as little as I'm able to strictly define the Extremely Online Left, they're who shows are being marketed to these days, and even remotely fantasy shows especially so.
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Jun 16, 2020 17:04
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The American TV season just gone, in primetime, CBS had at least one cop show every night of the week (except Monday, when they change it up with two courtroom dramas). Tuesday and Friday are wall-to-wall cop shows. Fox has wall-to-wall cop shows on Monday and another cop show on Friday. NBC has the undisputed copwashing world champion Brooklyn Nine-Nine, which has been renewed and is arguably the most popular comedy in the USA right now. Across the pond, in the last BAFTA TV Awards, three out of four nominees for Best Drama and one nominee for Best Miniseries were police/espionage shows of some sort and cop shows are still an easy and reliable way to do event TV. They're everywhere. Call me back when they all go the way of LivePD. I'll not hold my breath.
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Jun 16, 2020 18:09
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I'd love less cop shows. Where is my fantasy Holby city?
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Jun 16, 2020 23:57
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ACASB All Coppers Are Suspicious Bastards.
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Jun 17, 2020 01:06
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I was surprised at the praise for the Going Postal adaptation in this thread. Personally I only really liked the adaptation of Hogfather as an adaptation. Going Postal works, but the changes it makes and the casting of Moist in particular make it feel a bit hollow. Not at all close to the total butcher’s job The Watch has suffered though, which is a shame because I think I might enjoy a police procedural in a fantasy city.
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Jun 17, 2020 20:17
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I don't love any of the adaptations, but I'm always happy to see the world bought to life on screen in some way. Hogfather was my least favourite, but it's also one of my least favourite books.
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Jun 18, 2020 01:08
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Has anyone seen the old animated adaptions from the early 90's? I remember the Wyrd Sisters one but I don't remember if it was any good.
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Jun 18, 2020 01:17
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Testekill posted:Has anyone seen the old animated adaptions from the early 90's? I remember the Wyrd Sisters one but I don't remember if it was any good. They did 2, Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music (which is a very odd choice). Soul Music was better than Wyrd Sisters, mainly on account of a cracking soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIgE23LHgPQ
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Jun 18, 2020 01:36
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Testekill posted:Has anyone seen the old animated adaptions from the early 90's? I remember the Wyrd Sisters one but I don't remember if it was any good. Again I wouldn't call them good or bad, just cool and worth watching.
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Jun 18, 2020 02:01
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Serperoth posted:Or there could be things with Thud!, although the very much racial tension in that would need to be very carefully handled. Or digging in to the Goblin stuff from UA and Snuff. I'd like to see some play given to the golems. They're buying themselves out of slavery, but you';d have to have an extremely delicate touch on the metaphor.
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Jun 18, 2020 02:18
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I don't know why nobody's ever adapted The Truth. It's a good standalone, but still solidly in the A-M setting. Plus, it's got a great Pulp Fiction riff with Mr. Tulip and Mr. Pin.
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Jun 18, 2020 04:09
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Give me Monstrous Regiment.
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Jun 18, 2020 04:17
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Testekill posted:Give me Monstrous Regiment.  e: freelop posted:Night Watch was the first thing I thought of when I heard of the CHAZ I’ve unseriously toyed with the idea of asking a Seattle goon if they can get a hard-boiled egg in the cap hill zone, but I can’t think of a way to explain why without sounding even more like an alarmingly weird dumbass than I typically do. so I’m venting about it here instead, where someone reading this has a nonzero chance of recognizing that reference and chuckling inwardly, maybe SatansOnion fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Jun 18, 2020 04:21
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Testekill posted:Give me Monstrous Regiment. See, now I'm trying to figure out who's terrifying enough to play Jackrum. But yes, 110% do it.
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Jun 18, 2020 07:05
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Testekill posted:Has anyone seen the old animated adaptions from the early 90's? I remember the Wyrd Sisters one but I don't remember if it was any good.
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Jun 18, 2020 07:19
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Testekill posted:Give me Monstrous Regiment. I 100% agree, but I don't know how you could cast it right without giving the whole game away or making a significant error.
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Jun 18, 2020 08:02
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Yeah that one just doesn't work in a medium where real life people represent a role. Like not even considering contemporary reception tends to equalize an actor's and their role's identity, just on a level where you can register "huh, a female actor is playing the male corporal" it doesn't work. Visually you could do it as an animated movie but then you run into trouble with the voice cast. e: you know what though, work around limitations: Monstrous Regiment, the animated movie, in the style of 60s/70s Eastern Bloc stop motion. No voiced characters, just body language and a single narrator to tell the story. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Jun 18, 2020 08:12
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I always thought Discworld would translate very well into a stop motion animation production - like the Laika Studios stuff. It mixes the grotesqueries and grubbiness of Ankh Morpork. The Box Trolls had a great aesthetic, even if the plot wasn't the strongest.
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Jun 18, 2020 08:40
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My Lovely Horse posted:Oof, I've had them around for years, but somehow never watched them. I've seen a clip though and that had actually very good and natural sounding voice acting. The animation is very Russian, as in CDi Zelda Russian. The animation was done by long venerated British animation studio Cosgrove Hall, home of Duckula, Danger Mouse, Superted, Wind in the Willows, etc, etc, as well as the stop-motion adaptation of Truckers.
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Jun 18, 2020 10:22
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I feel like the recent Netflix movie Klaus had an animation style that Discworld would slot very nicely into.
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Jun 18, 2020 10:52
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IshmaelZarkov posted:I 100% agree, but I don't know how you could cast it right without giving the whole game away or making a significant error. The whole game is pretty much given away at the start of the story. The fact that they're terrible at passing for men is a big part of the story.
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Jun 18, 2020 11:45
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Lifeline Theatre did an adaption in Chicago back in 2014. https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/ct-monstrous-regiment-review-story.html
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Jun 19, 2020 02:23
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I honesty can’t remember anything about Monstrous Regiment.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:27
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Vimes' Watch is basically a watch that had been almost entirely defunded/abolished and then rebuilt from the ground up under strict moral principles.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:05
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Beachcomber posted:Vimes' Watch is basically a watch that had been almost entirely defunded/abolished and then rebuilt from the ground up under strict moral principles. Vimes becomes a good cop without dying. It's called fantasy literature for a good reason 
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Jun 19, 2020 03:17
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Alhazred posted:The whole game is pretty much given away at the start of the story. The fact that they're terrible at passing for men is a big part of the story. Yeah, but if you only cast lady actors - as you should for the story - you'll give it away the second the cast is announced. OR you only cast non-binary actors. It gives away the general secret, but doesn't necessarily tell you who is playing what. Also, Asia Kate Dillon has been my choice to play Polly for a while now, so I'm just expanding on that.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:21
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IshmaelZarkov posted:Yeah, but if you only cast lady actors - as you should for the story - you'll give it away the second the cast is announced. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Jun 19, 2020 05:12
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Just have an all female theater company. Problem solved
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Jun 19, 2020 05:15
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Alhazred posted:But the point of the novel is not that that it's a big secret that the regiment is women only. The title of the book alone gives the "secret" away. the cover too
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Jun 19, 2020 09:57
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spoilers are a problem only for anal people
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Jun 19, 2020 09:59
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In the book the only ones who doesn't realize that they're women is the borogravian men because they can't comprehend the concept of female soldiers. Everyone else realize it right away.
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Jun 19, 2020 10:32
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Liquid Communism posted:See, now I'm trying to figure out who's terrifying enough to play Jackrum. Oh, that's easy, Ann Dowd aka Aunt Lydia from the Handmaid's Tale adaptation.
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Jun 19, 2020 10:35
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Alhazred posted:But the point of the novel is not that that it's a big secret that the regiment is women only. The title of the book alone gives the "secret" away. If you're into your history and know the quote, sure. It's also not made obvious that Jackrum is a woman until much later than the rest of the squad.
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Jun 19, 2020 10:43
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u brexit ukip it posted:Oh, that's easy, Ann Dowd aka Aunt Lydia from the Handmaid's Tale adaptation. I would have thought that the woman who played the principal in Matilda would've been great as Jackrum.
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Jun 19, 2020 11:08
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It's also plain more funny if there's at least some ambiguity around everyone. The constant reveals of more and more characters as women are funny. You keep thinking, okay, he might be... or he might be... nope they're both. But he surely isn't... yeah he is. Okay but not him yes him. But surely not *everyone* YES EVERYONE If you go into it knowing everyone's a woman you'll sit there ticking the boxes. Oh okay this is when they reveal her, this is when they reveal her, and I guess here comes the big twist. Boring. Or, at least, can still be fun but any production company should probably avoid making it the default mode of reception for the audience.
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Alhazred posted:But the point of the novel is not that that it's a big secret that the regiment is women only. The title of the book alone gives the "secret" away. Not everyone is going to see the title and go "I must just quickly run to Google to check out whether that's a reference to anything". It's obvious that the book is going to be about a woman in the army, but the blurb is very carefully written and the cover art is very carefully drawn, and on first reading, it's not necessarily obvious just how far Terry's going to go with the idea: quote:Polly Perks had to become a boy in a hurry. Cutting off her hair and wearing trousers was easy. Learning to fart and belch in public and walk like an ape took more time... Taken at face value, the "monstrous" part of the regiment could refer specifically to the presence of the likes of Maladict and Carborundum and Wazzer, as initially presented. I said a while ago ITT that I'm happy with the books being fundamentally un-adaptable to live-action TV or film, and this is one of the reasons why this one in particular is fundamentally un-adaptable; while the overwhelmingly dominant mode of live-action film/TV is naturalistic realism at all costs, it's all but impossible to replicate the effect of the reveals. You'd stand a lot better chance of doing it on radio, or with animation, because you can get away with a lot more there. Like, imagine if you could do it live-action, but cast two or three or four actors for each part, start everyone off being played with hugely macho male actors while the Regiment is making its best effort to replicate what they think is expected of them, and then gradually start changing the casting over, getting less macho/male/masculine each time, as the story unfolds. (If I'm in charge, you also then swap the macho male cast back in for the infiltrating-the-castle-dressed-as-washerwomen sequence...) Then you'd really have something worth watching, but it'd also be such a wild risk that nobody would ever go for it. Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:It's also plain more funny if there's at least some ambiguity around everyone. The constant reveals of more and more characters as women are funny. You keep thinking, okay, he might be... or he might be... nope they're both. But he surely isn't... yeah he is. Okay but not him yes him. But surely not *everyone* YES EVERYONE how do you think that it would be marketed?
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I know how it would be marketed and that that's one of the reasons it's unfilmable, but I also know how I'd want it to be marketed.
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