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BMan posted:You ever wonder if these card companies keep a secret stash of rare cards to "find" and sell when they get valuable? Remember the Chessex thread? LOL
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BMan posted:OK lol, apparently they did just that with loving yu-gi-oh cards and lost the license because of it Source on this? I'm curious but Google isn't helping me.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:52
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Wasn't there a magic the gathering promotion where they put an original unlimited card in new packs?
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MtG is actually pretty responsible with this and doesn’t even like that these high value cards exist, because they scare new players off from the game. There are very few competitions that allow these crazy high value cards (the power nine), usually competition is capped at the last 4-7 sets so that if they make any balance mistakes the older cards will cycle out. They’ll also ban any cards at the drop of a hat if they turn out to be too powerful. I think there’s a Planet Money ep that goes into the problems they had to solve in the early days with cards like Black Lotus. (My wife is semi-pro and I don’t actually know what I’m talking about, don’t @ me if I got anything wrong)
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Magnetic North posted:Source on this? I'm curious but Google isn't helping me. https://web.archive.org/web/20100227092937/http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/news/news_100113-Trial01.html
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https://twitter.com/TDM_Jesus/status/1273978968803176448?s=19 wonder how much he's spent on Pokemon and CSGO skins
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Photex posted:https://twitter.com/TDM_Jesus/status/1273978968803176448?s=19 Time to start reading the r/relationship thread to find someone divorcing a man child who spent all their money on Pokémon.
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Jun 21, 2020 17:43
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Fools Infinite posted:Wasn't there a magic the gathering promotion where they put an original unlimited card in new packs? Yes. Zendikar! I got a Mox Ruby and promptly had it swindled out of my little hands by a Comic Book Guy-looking mother fucker who owned the shop
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Jun 21, 2020 18:27
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Photex posted:wonder how much he's spent on Pokemon and CSGO skins An amount equivalent to one marriage.
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Jun 21, 2020 18:42
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Ulf posted:MtG is actually pretty responsible with this and doesn’t even like that these high value cards exist, because they scare new players off from the game. Counterpoint: MtG could simply reprint all those high value cards and then they would no longer scare new players off from the market.
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Jun 21, 2020 19:04
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MtG created a new rarity that's even rarer than rare so that the best cards would require the purchase of more product They're in it to make money and have a healthy competitive scene, in that order.
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Jun 21, 2020 19:06
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Phanatic posted:Counterpoint: MtG could simply reprint all those high value cards and then they would no longer scare new players off from the market. Agreed that MtG is a money-printing machine and that playing it is BWM. I'm just saying its BWM in that you'll buy a lot of cards over time to keep up, not in that you'll be buying $40k black lotuses (unless that's your thing) because they're not legal in most competition.
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Ulf posted:They don't because these cards are so accidentally powerful that you'd never use anything else. The designers just didn't know what they were doing in the alpha. There are card combos that can win the game before your opponent takes their first turn. They could reprint the cards, but still ban the new cards from most formats, if they so desired. Although I guess I am confused about the economics of Magic Cards. I thought you could only buy new cards from the manufacturer through booster packs. If that is the case, I don't get why they would be invested in making sure that the Black Lotus is expensive in the aftermarket.
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silence_kit posted:They could reprint the cards, but still ban the new cards from most formats, if they so desired. They're not really though the halo they get from having cards that go for six digits doesn't hurt.
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You can only buy new cards, but there's a huge secondary market of unopened packs of old sets. You're right they could reprint the power nine and keep them banned in most formats, but I don't think they care and it would just piss off the few players of the old formats. It's not like playing with those cards is fun, especially if everyone could afford four of each. They completely subvert the mechanics and timing of the game.
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Phanatic posted:Counterpoint: MtG could simply reprint all those high value cards and then they would no longer scare new players off from the market. they actually can't they bizarrely chose to enter into this legal-ish agreement in 1996 promising to never reprint hundreds of cards explicitly so that they'd hold their value lmao e: and now that it's severely hamstrung older format popularity, pretty much everyone would be okay if they reneged on that except for a few smaug-rear end motherfuckers sitting on a pile of five-figure cards (also, these cards were produced with 1993's top anti-counterfeit technology, meaning none, and nearly-indistinguishable fakes are on the market. so, there's that) Spokes fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Jun 21, 2020 20:41
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Does their agreement prevent them from printing a new card, only usable in old formats, called Lack Blotus or Rox Muby, with identical function to the originals?
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It does! TIL: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/official-reprint-policy-2010-03-10quote:Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness.
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Spokes posted:they bizarrely chose to enter into this legal-ish agreement in 1996 promising to never reprint hundreds of cards explicitly so that they'd hold their value lmao They adopted a policy, they didn't sign a contract. They can unadopt that policy whenever they want.
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Yeah, that's not a legal agreement. It is just a promise they made to placate the collectors.
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Phanatic posted:They adopted a policy, they didn't sign a contract. They can unadopt that policy whenever they want. note: biggest IANAL ever here -- i'm only parroting what i've heard other folks say, but i believe they're concerned about legal action (even frivolous) based on "promissory estoppel". folks invested a lot of money in their collections based on Wizards (now a part of Hasbro) promising that they wouldn't take this action that would cause the value of those collections to go down. Whether they're justified or have merit or whatever is a concern for smarter people than me, but it doesn't really benefit Wizards to remove the policy* and would just cause them potential headaches at best (and if a judge/jury did find them liable, oof). *aside from making a quick 200k on Secret Lair: Duals or whatever edit: also this isn't just something they said in magic's infancy, they reiterated it in the 2000s and 2010s. some people are absolutely going to be upset and damaged enough to pursue legal action if they go back on it, even if it's just a very small minority
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Spokes posted:note: biggest IANAL ever here -- i'm only parroting what i've heard other folks say, but i believe they're concerned about legal action (even frivolous) based on "promissory estoppel". folks invested a lot of money in their collections based on Wizards (now a part of Hasbro) promising that they wouldn't take this action that would cause the value of those collections to go down. Whether they're justified or have merit or whatever is a concern for smarter people than me, but it doesn't really benefit Wizards to remove the policy* and would just cause them potential headaches at best (and if a judge/jury did find them liable, oof). The canonical example of promissory estoppel is when a company extends a job offer, you accept, quit your current job, move across the country, rent a new house, and then show up for your first day of work and they say "oh, sorry, we changed our minds." You suffered an actual economic loss based on the promise of employment. Wizards never promised that your cards would retain value. Wizards never promised that your cards would appreciate in value. If Wizards promised something and then reneges on that promises in a way that causes you to lose your cards, okay, promissory estoppel might apply. But if Wizards decides to crank up the printing presses and send the value of cards on the reserve list into the crapper, you still have your cards. You have lost nothing. "But now I can't sell the cards for as much as I might have been able to sell them in some hypothetical future timeline in which you didn't print new copies of them" isn't an actual loss, it's fortune-telling. Also someone claiming promissory estoppel would need to show that he took action based on the promise: he'd need to show that he bought the cards based on WOTC's promise. And finally I don't think "I bought some cards on the secondary market" creates the sort of relationship between WOTC and the card buyer that needs to exist before a claim of promissory estoppel can be brought. It's no different from a car company saying "We won't close this factory" and then I buy that company's stock on an exchange because I believe them and that must mean they're doing well. When they go and close that factory and the stock price goes down I absolutely do not have a case for promissory estoppel. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Jun 21, 2020 21:31
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A famous photographer did that a few years ago. Sold a bunch of prints as an exclusive one-time thing and then decided to sell some more, which pissed off everyone who spent tens of thousands of dollars on the original prints. But someone who spends tens of thousands of dollars buying photographic prints would probably value a first edition print differently than subsequent editions so it's impossible to accurately gauge how much less money they can launder now.
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Wizards is also really hesitant to mess with stuff that drastically changes card values, because the retailers at which people learn/play the game are holding millions of dollars collectively in secondary market inventory and they want to keep them happy and solvent. They're kinda stuck with the reserved list policy now, even though it's dumb.
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It would be trading maybe a quick buck for a massive amount of goodwill, I'm sure someone thought about this over there too.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Yes. Zendikar! I got a Mox Ruby and promptly had it swindled out of my little hands by a Comic Book Guy-looking mother fucker who owned the shop did you get it back
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Photex posted:https://twitter.com/TDM_Jesus/status/1273978968803176448?s=19 Let’s ask for advice on how to commit fraud from Pokémon children, this can’t possibly go wrong quote:DaTem_stonks3d quote:Finding proof of value is very difficult because of emotional attachment as well. Yes a Medusa sells for $1200 but emotionally I’m not selling it for less than $2000 and so it’s challenging. This One Weird Trick that is totally original and nobody has ever tried before! quote:The_real_MHS3d quote:Galahad2113d
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or hear me out make a stack of cardboard boxes, laser print a top layer of Pikachu Illustrator cards and then burn it to ashes on videotape
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Burning Worthless Miscellany: emotionally, i'm not selling for less than $2000
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Switchback posted:Burning the cards means you have no cards, instead of 50% of the cards. This is the dumbest loving advice. Someone has been lucky enough to never be witness to a divorce
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Ulf posted:MtG is actually pretty responsible with this and doesn’t even like that these high value cards exist, because they scare new players off from the game. Please tell us how bwm it is to be a semi pro MTG player.
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They should reprint blacker lotus (black lotus for four mana but you rip up the card) in a standard set instead. The cheese stands alone made it into a real set so there is precedent.
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n8r posted:Please tell us how bwm it is to be a semi pro MTG player. Bad With Males: being female in a children's card game tournament for grown men
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Spokes posted:I think was the plot of the yu-gi-oh anime There is at least one case of that, where Kaiba owns what are as far as anyone knows the only three playable Blue Eyes White Dragon cards in the world, and rips the fourth one (owned by Yugi's dad) in half so no one else can use it. (Since the rules of the game are you can only have up to three copies of a card in your deck) Also Maximilian Pegasus who owns the company that makes the game has his own one-of-a-kind custom deck of overpowered (and silly) cards, which he uses on top of being able to literally read minds, and also rampant cheating on top of that. And not even getting into the Egyptian God Cards, which are somehow dangerous to use possibly because they invoke actual Egyptian gods. (The setting's idea of them anyway) Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Fools Infinite posted:They should reprint blacker lotus (black lotus for four mana but you rip up the card) in a standard set instead. The cheese stands alone made it into a real set so there is precedent. I think you mean Chaos Confetti?
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quote:Best way to opt out of certain taxes?
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i'm opting out of sales taxes
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how do we opt this guy out of society
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https://i.imgur.com/w2HDiSu.mp4 Why does this image automatically make me think of this thread?
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CmdrRiker posted:Why does this image automatically make me think of this thread? Because it's cursed and puts an image in my head that I wish didn't exist, just like this thread?
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