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Jerusalem posted:It looks like there is way more important poo poo than this to be dealing with right at the moment, sorry folks. All Forum Rules Apply in SAS Forum-specific Guidelines - These are largely cribbed straight from Hand Knit's over-arching Sports Argument Sanctum Rules Thread Streams — As a general rule, streams for PPVs will be considered Other streams are fine. Be sensible, avoid linking janky ad-laden crap and remember that anything outside of SA you click on at your own risk. Game Day Threads — GDTs are very casual, and rules will not be enforced strictly. The "Don't Be A Dick" rule remains in effect, you do not have leeway to poo poo on somebody because you're "just goofing around". Racism, Homophobia and Transphobia — No. Zero. None. Irony is no exception. gently caress off if you can't post without making a lovely joke at the expense of somebody's sexuality or ethnicity. Posting about Posters - It's not always avoidable, but it usually is. If you can't stand somebody or you think they're goading you, report them or put them on ignore (or both). If you want to have it out with somebody, PM them. This is not permission to blast somebody's inbox with endless PMs, this is just to take an argument out of the thread so everybody else can post in it normally. DON'T BE A DICK - If you get reported and you're not technically breaking any rules but you're still being a dick, you'll get a probation. Might be short, might be long, depends on the context. If you think this is bad, there's a secret method to get around it. You simply don't be a dick. NEW RULE 11/17/2019: Forums user rovert is now forbidden from posting in Rowdy Ringsports, on pain of an immediate ban. He can post anywhere else he wants to (and is subject to the rules of those subforums) but he cannot ever, ever, ever post in Rowdy Ringsports. If he does so, he is to be immediately reported and he will be immediately banned with no questions asked, regardless of what he posts. Anybody engaging with rovert if he attempts to post will be subject to a sixer, so we can avoid endless derails about him or paying him any attention, which is what he really, desperately seems to want above all else. USE THE REPORT BUTTON! There is no official FIGHT ISLAND Discord or any other chat app. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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PLACES TO WATCH WRESTLING: American Promotions: The WWE Network - Currently $9.99 a month, includes livestreams of all PPVs. NXT and NXT UK are aired weekly, and replays of Raw and Smackdown are added a month after original airing. Has a huge archive of wrestling material from WWE and multiple other promotions they own the rights to, most notably WCW. New shows go up regularly including documentaries, interview shows and special themed collections. Free months are frequently offered to entice new subscribers. Currently Raw airs for three hours on USA Network at 8pm EST on Mondays, NXT for two hours on Wednesday at 8pm EST on USA, and Smackdown for two hours on Friday at 8pm EST on Fox. Currently NXT is meant to be available on the Network 24 hours after first airing on USA. All Elite Wrestling - A brand new wrestling promotion with big money and big stars involved, AEW airs on TNT on Wednesdays for two hours from 8pm EST, with AEW Dark airing on Youtube on Tuesdays at 8pm EST. Currently PPVs have been offered in the US on Bleacher Report and on Fite TV in the rest of the world. Outside of the US you can access the weekly Dynamite show live as it airs (and then on VOD) for $5 a month on Fite.tv. Ring of Honor's Honor Club - Currently $9.99 a month, offers livestreams of all PPVs, access to the weekly television program and a VOD library. The weekly television also airs on Sinclair Broadcasting channels in the United States, you will need to check your local listings for times. Impact Wrestling - The former TNA Wrestling, airs weekly on the following channels/times worldwide but also airs replays weekly on Twitch. Chikaratopia - Currently $7.99 a month, a comedy-centric American wrestling promotion with a cult following. Pro Wrestling Guerrilla - No current live service or video uploads, the only way to watch is to buy DVDs directly from them. Has an extremely dedicated fanbase and is highly regarded for the quality of its live shows. Game Changer Wrestling - PPVs available through fite.tv, produces live shows that people really enjoy. National Wrestling Alliance - POWERRR airs Tuesdays at 6:05pm EST on the NWA's Youtube Page Major League Wrestling - Available live through BeIN Sports, and regular uploads are made to their Youtube channel Japanese Promotions: New Japan World - Currently 999Yen a month, includes livestreams of most shows (shows not being livesteamed is the exception, not the rule) and significant archives going back decades. Most shows are available with English commentary as an option. Be aware that in Japan, billing cycles start on the 1st of the month, regardless of how late in the prior month you signed up, so it is possible to be billed for two months within only a couple of days of each other depending on when you signed up. All Japan Pro-Wrestling TV - Currently 900Yen a month, airs major events live and has VOD going back to 2017, but none of the incredible 1990s All Japan content, which is owned by NIPPON TV. Most of those, which aren't currently legally available for purchase anywhere, can be found here. DDT Pro Universe - Currently 900Yen a month, a comedy-centric Japanese wrestling promotion that also has very, very good matches. Universe also includes DDT's sister promotion Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling. Update: DDT's parent company also owns Pro-Wrestling Noah now and certain shows will be featured on DDT Pro Universe Pro-Wrestling Noah - Now owned by DDT's parent company, and shows are available on their online service DDT Pro Universe. Dragon Gate - Currently 1500Yen a month, includes livestreams and VOD of the entire archive. Big Japan Pro-Wrestling Core - Currently 888Yen a month, noted for its Deathmatch style wrestling. Provides livestreams and VOD. Japanese Women's Promotions (Joshi): Stardom World - Currently 920Yen a month. All shows are VOD only, but come with English subtitles and are broken down into individual matches for viewing convenience. Addendum OCT 17, 2019: New Japan's Parent Company BushiRoad now owns Stardom. At the current time there are no plans for Stardom World to change up how anything is run. Sendai Girls - Uploads via their Youtube channel. Gatoh Move - Uploads via their Youtube channel. Marvelous - Currently 600Yen a month. Pro Wrestling Diana - Intermittent uploads to their Youtube channel. YMZ - Currently 999Yen a month. Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling - Included with a DDT Pro Universe subscription. Mexican Promotions: AAA - Airs live on twitch, in Spanish and also with English language versions available. All TV shows and match tapings are aired on the 24/7 stream, with live airings happening at 9:30pm EST on Friday nights. CMLL - Regular uploads of shows to their Youtube channel. Schedule is as follows: Mondays Arena Puebla - 10 PM ET, Tuesdays Arena México B Show - 8:30 PM ET, Fridays Viernes Espectacular Arena México A Show - 9:30 PM ET UK/European Promotions: Progress - British Wrestling Promotion, $7.99 a month. Over the Top - Irish Wrestling Promotion, $8.50 a month. WXW Now - German Wrestling Promotion, 9.99Euro a month. Independent Promotions: Various Independent Promotions can be found here. The above lists are not exhaustive/definitive, and I can add or update anything more pertinent to them if people ask. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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HulkaMatt posted:BASIC WRESTLING LINGO
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NEW RULE 11/17/2019: Forums user rovert is now forbidden from posting in Rowdy Ringsports, on pain of an immediate ban. He can post anywhere else he wants to (and is subject to the rules of those subforums) but he cannot ever, ever, ever post in Rowdy Ringsports. If he does so, he is to be immediately reported and he will be immediately banned with no questions asked, regardless of what he posts. Anybody engaging with rovert if he attempts to post will be subject to a sixer, so we can avoid endless derails about him or paying him any attention, which is what he really, desperately seems to want above all else.
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Vinceflex is now legal
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Vinceflex is now rebanned.
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USE THE REPORT BUTTON! I can't stress enough how important the report button is. It is the absolute best and most effective way to make mods aware of potential issues in the subforum. There are two mods, one of whom covers another subforum in addition to this one, but contrary to what you may believe, we do not read every single thread and take specific notes on every post and user. Sometimes we miss drama, sometimes we don't grasp the significance of a post, often we wake up in the morning and there are hundreds of new posts made across multiple threads and we've got work, food, socializing, exercise, relaxing, hobbies etc to take care of so we check for reports, see nothing and assume everything is fine (usually it is, sometimes it isn't, every so often it REALLY isn't). We're also making judgment calls ourselves as we read threads, but we primarily try to read and post exactly like every other user rather than try to view everything through the lens of moderation. Reports REALLY help us figure out when we need to shift focus. What are the pluses of using the report button?
What are the minuses of using the report button?
All users can use the report button. There are limits on how many reports can be made in a day but unless disaster strikes this is unlikely to be a particular problem. If you've ever pondered or asked,"How come <x> hasn't been probated for a post?" or "Wow this one post was REALLY bad how the hell did that go undealt with?" the answer 90% of the time is because it was never reported and the mods were unaware it ever happened. Use the report button! Worst case scenario is myself or Junpei don't consider it a problem, and past experience is that it quickly becomes apparent we were wrong. There have only been 2-3 times since I became mod that action needed to be stepped up to an Admin to review, and having reports to look back on was of enormous benefit to us both rather than relying on the conflicting memories of myself and the poster who raised the issue. USE THE REPORT BUTTON! Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 09:15 on May 28, 2020 |
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There is not now and for as long as I am mod never will be an official Discord or other such offsite chatroom for FIGHT ISLAND. You're free to get together on discord/chat apps all you want but it has no bearing on or relation to anything that happens in this subforum, and anybody bringing drama/feuds/bullshit from a discord into a thread will get probated for importing off-site drama.
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# ? Jun 19, 2020 02:57 |
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Please don't horny post. If you think a post you're gonna make is too horny then it probably is, don't post it.
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I'm gonna consolidate/update the rules into a new thread, but over in the Speaking Out thread somebody asked if it would be possible to have a chance to ask for some further clarification on things that they don't think are clear. I figured I'd open this old thread up for a day or so, and Junpei and I will try our best to answer any questions you have, and use that as a guide for making sure the new thread is as clear and straightforward as possible.
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# ? Jun 21, 2020 23:23 |
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new rule: Seth Rollins the poster is your friend
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# ? Jun 22, 2020 00:30 |
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Seth Rollins posted:new rule: Seth Rollins the poster is your friend I like the way this R'ollins thinks
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# ? Jun 22, 2020 00:38 |
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Jru should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine
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# ? Jun 22, 2020 03:42 |
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Jerusalem posted:I'm gonna consolidate/update the rules into a new thread, but over in the Speaking Out thread somebody asked if it would be possible to have a chance to ask for some further clarification on things that they don't think are clear. I figured I'd open this old thread up for a day or so, and Junpei and I will try our best to answer any questions you have, and use that as a guide for making sure the new thread is as clear and straightforward as possible. What steps will you take to prevent another Rovert the next time we get one?
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 01:33 |
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Also another DoctorGonzo/Zeta Acosta, and Mel Mudkiper? How will you address bad faith posters who make the forums a less pleasant place for everyone?
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Senerio posted:Also another DoctorGonzo/Zeta Acosta, and Mel Mudkiper? How will you address bad faith posters who make the forums a less pleasant place for everyone? Especially in the case of DG/ZA, specifically posters who are (in his case consistently) antagonistic/hateful to the LGBTQ+ community? I know I'm not the only one who felt really uncomfortable about that in particular
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 01:57 |
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doctor gonzo was straight up one of the worst posters this sub has ever seen and the fact that he was ever allowed to come back under that or any name was really really gross
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--retracting this argument--
Senerio fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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MotU fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Fine i'll retract this argument. Please remove my quoted post.
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I'm going to start this off by saying that I adore both our moderators, they're both total sweethearts. However, I think that the fact that they're both very easy-going people has kind of pushed PSP into an almost lawless world, where people are just given too much slack for too long and by the time they're banished or perma-banned the damage to our community has already been done. I know both J-Ru and Junpei are trying to be better at this but I feel like an Idiot King who is a lot more willing to lay the hammer down and nip things in the bud might be appropriate. I really do appreciate that both of our mods always try and DM the person causing problems first but sometimes those people are so set in their ways that a handful of sixers really isn't enough and I hate that so many decent people have been run off this forum because they felt uncomfortable or targeted because the moderation here is so lax that the default response for a long time has been "take it to DMs" This isn't a criticism of Junpei or J-Ru's personality or character, they just don't seem like the type of people who want to be seen as stern or enforcers and I don't blame them. Having another moderator or IK that can squash things without feeling bad about it seems like a good balance to this subforum. I don't want to see more decent people pushed out because of lax moderation while problematic and antagonizing people are constantly just slapped on the wrist.
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 02:55 |
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Having an emotionless Judge Dredd to probate anyone seen committing horseplay does not seem like a good idea, imo
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It is easy to see why people could fall into that pattern, especially since Jerusalem posts alongside of people a ton so sometimes it is hard to notice things when you are part of the crowd. I do think Jerusalem can be tough but he seems to want to be fair as well as tough, which might have had him hesitate or take longer than what other people found acceptable. He does try to be super transparent about things though so if my assumption is wrong I am sure he will say so. The one problem with having someone that is tough and fast on punishment though is that it is a huge double-edged sword as they may jump the gun on any infraction, or conversely, go back and punish people for posts long past the point where they are relevant just to show that they're punishing for everything. PSP doesn't really feel "lawless" as much as it feels like it doesn't have any lasting punishment. No one really changes their ways or learns from mistakes. The call for banning someone from a sub-forum completely can't really be made lightly, either. Like the few examples that we had have deserved it and yeah it probably would have been better to happen sooner, but a blade hanging over the head of the subforum is kinda a worrying thought if the person holding the power is too impulsive MotU fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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I wasn't pitching Judge Dredd or anything, but someone who is going to send that DM and say "Hey, you have a sixer now and if you can't control yourself, it's going to keep escelating" Heat of the moment arguments happen a lot, but there are people who drag grudges on for months/years and that's the kind of behavior that needs to change here and enforced harder.
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 03:08 |
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This is a good subforum for a terrible hobby
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 03:20 |
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i think Seth Rollins should be made the new idiot king of this subforum
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 03:42 |
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give us an Idiot King of the Ring
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 03:51 |
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Seth Rollins posted:i think Seth Rollins should be made the new idiot king of this subforum the real Seth Rollins
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KungFu Grip posted:give us an Idiot King of the Ring
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RealFoxy posted:This isn't a criticism of Junpei or J-Ru's personality or character, they just don't seem like the type of people who want to be seen as stern or enforcers and I don't blame them. Having another moderator or IK that can squash things without feeling bad about it seems like a good balance to this subforum. I don't want to see more decent people pushed out because of lax moderation while problematic and antagonizing people are constantly just slapped on the wrist. From a personal standpoint, I think bringing in an Idiot King whose only function is to be the hardass who comes down on people is not a good idea. That's basically a reversal of what the moderator/IK status quo should be to my mind, unless you have an IK whose job is to police ONE single problematic thread, particularly one which covers a specific topic which the more general moderators might not be fully up to speed with. An IK should ideally be there to cover those gaps where moderators aren't around, from memory most of the arguments that have spiraled out of control over the years were because they happened while I was in bed sleeping blissfully unaware. That was actually one of the reasons Junpei jumped onboard (taking on extra duty considering they're already modding another subforum entirely), because they were an active poster here and could be around at times I probably wasn't going to be. RealFoxy posted:I wasn't pitching Judge Dredd or anything, but someone who is going to send that DM and say "Hey, you have a sixer now and if you can't control yourself, it's going to keep escelating" Now to be fair, this is something I have done a fair number of times in the "punishment reason" for a probation: warnings about how the length of probations will ramp up etc" and goons who have taken exception to that and contacted me directly I have responded to. I respond to 95% of the PMs I get, I only really ignore ones when after a few replies back-and-forth it becomes clear they are fishing for whataboutisms they can try and rules-lawyer their way out of punishments with, or ones that are literally just,"gently caress you." I suppose I could add a PM to each and every probation I give but it seems rather redundant to me, and also to be frank I'm not entirely sure why I should have to waste any extra time on somebody who has made a lovely post when the probation and the listed punishment reason should do that clearly enough. What I should be doing, and what I've been guilty of neglecting, is following up with users who have reported something that I either decided wasn't worthy of punishing, or that I attempted to resolve in some OTHER way besides hitting them with a probation. Letting them know why I chose the action I took (or didn't take, as the case may be). Punch McLightning posted:What steps will you take to prevent another Rovert the next time we get one? Senerio posted:Also another DoctorGonzo/Zeta Acosta, and Mel Mudkiper? How will you address bad faith posters who make the forums a less pleasant place for everyone? On these cases I'm not sure if there is an answer that really can satisfy, though I'll try to find one. For Mel, DoctorGonzo and Rovert their rapsheets demonstrate pretty clearly in my opinion that they were NOT getting away with their posting but being continually punished till the point they got banned. I think there might be a bit of a disconnect here where people would like these types of posters to be INSTANTLY dealt with, but with volunteer moderators you're never going to get 24 hour coverage, even with an IK onboard (as discussed above), and unless I'm not remembering something, all of this stuff was usually dealt with within 8-12 hours. In roverts case, he was frequently given length probations, banned several times AND put on many one-month probations. As was discussed in the QCS thread at the time, I spoke with an admin about what the options for dealing with him permanently were and they took the opportunity to test out a subforum ban feature as opposed to a permaban which they were trying to reserve for the truly detestable. It seems to have worked pretty well, beyond some people still giving him the attention he craves so badly every so often by bringing up what he's been up to on twitter. For DoctorGonzo, they were banned (and left me some pretty vitriolic PMs) and re-regged as Zeta Acosta, but there isn't a rule about automatically banning a re-reg and it would have been overstepping my role to instantly ban them. Junpei and I were aware they were a re-reg, we were prepared to come down hard on any repeat of their prior activity, but they pretty much hosed off by themselves when it was made clear they weren't welcome to return and I think that was an appropriate resolution. For Mel there's no excuse, I hosed up gigantically in how I handled that entire thing and have apologized for it in the past, and will continue to apologize for it for as long as anybody ever brings it up. That one was entirely on me. I think the best response will be to make it clear in the new rules that repeated lovely behavior like this is going to be QUICKLY ramped up to heavier probations, far faster than I have done in the past. Plus always remember that while Junpei and I are specifically moderators for FIGHT ISLAND, the SAS mods also have power here and can be reached in a situation you think is an emergency that neither of us are dealing with (or that you feel we're not dealing with properly), and admins can always be contacted as well if necessary. We're not always going to get it right, but we're trying hard, and I like to think that both of us are more than willing to try and adjust and change how we have been moderating to better meet your expectations.
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I appreciate your responses and clarificationsJerusalem posted:An IK should ideally be there to cover those gaps where moderators aren't around, from memory most of the arguments that have spiraled out of control over the years were because they happened while I was in bed sleeping blissfully unaware. That was actually one of the reasons Junpei jumped onboard (taking on extra duty considering they're already modding another subforum entirely), because they were an active poster here and could be around at times I probably wasn't going to be. This also kinda addressed the only other thing I was going to contribute to the discussion, having another mod/IK here would be nice specifically because of that situation/those gaps that need covered. Put me down for another advocate of IKOTR KungFu Grip posted:give us an Idiot King of the Ring
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 05:44 |
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Imagine J-Ru, a world where you don't ever have to enter the spoiler thread because someone who already posts there will take care of things for you.
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# ? Jun 23, 2020 05:45 |
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This is a piss poor example of "ramp". Ramping shouldn't be throwing a 7 day probation followed up by a couple sixers or single days. Ramp should be fully escalating punishments until the poster either learns their lesson to behave differently, or leaves the forum outright. You can't treat repeat offending posters like this with a pat hand. This is a big part of what's running off people that want to post in this community, you NEED to be consistent, the both of you!
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Appreciate all the words. I don't have much faith but at least time will tell. Hopefully Junpei will be more active as a poster and moderator if she was brought in to take some slack away or whatever. 10 posts in a month and approximately 0 reports handled (or perhaps many ignored) isn't exactly reassuring, but I know you both Hear Us and Will Do Better.
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I like the forums, I wish we were all friends again
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yea ok posted:10 posts in a month and approximately 0 reports handled (or perhaps many ignored) isn't exactly reassuring, but I know you both Hear Us and Will Do Better.
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NienNunb posted:I like the forums, I wish we were all friends again RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Ramping should go 6er -> 24hr -> 3 days -> week -> ban -> ban + 30 Also all ban messages should contain a gif of Aubrey ejecting Ortiz
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JOHN CENA posted:
Maybe you should PM me and let me know what your issue with me personally is. I reached out to J-Ru via PM because I felt I was being unfairly labeled a troll and was helped to see ways I could be better and have been attempting to apply them. If you have a personal issue with me why not reach out
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Also all ban messages should contain a gif of Aubrey ejecting Ortiz second
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