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So yeah, your brother's gonna be great!
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spacetoaster posted:Same. Some dude's last words to me were "mister please". At least the dude I refer to was pretty much dead before he hit the ground. He was already checked out by the time he hit the ground- the rest of his life was silently paying the tab, thankfully. And gently caress man. I mean this with sincerity- hugs. I'd give you one if I was close, because just gently caress, man.
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Your brother will probably be ok, but with obvious issues from service.
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Just be supportive of your brother. When I got out and started hitting my wall I didn't really have much family to go to and the ones I had I was never really very close. It took me getting black out drunk and trying to get my best friend I served with to kill me because I was too chickenshit to do it. I don't know any of you so I have no idea how he might respond to his service, I guess what I am saying is be there for him. He may not want to talk about stuff for awhile or at all, then maybe everything comes out at once. Then again maybe he will be fine. I imagine most of his missions will just be escorts, but again I have no real reasons to back that up. If he plans on getting out at least he has some job skills with the helicopter thing. poo poo I was an 11B and got turned down at Target when I got out. I guess to be fair it was my first interview in like a decade. Of course now I'm wrapping up a bachelors in mechanical engineering so god loving willing I can start making some real money in my life. GI Bill For Lyfe.
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The ACFT may be delayed again. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/29/senate-proposal-may-delay-launch-of-acft.html Military.com posted:Lawmakers in the Senate are proposing a new hurdle in the Army's race to replace its outdated physical fitness test.
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PeterCat posted:The study would determine if the ACFT would "adversely impact members of the Army stationed or deployed to climates or areas with conditions that make prohibitive the conduct of outdoor physical training on a frequent or sustained basis," the language states. lol at the idea that the branch that already does outdoor PT at all of these locations and already has a test that completely disregards ambient temp, humidity, and altitude needs to study the effects of new testing in those same exact places so they don't adversely impact soldiers.
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brains posted:lol at the idea that the branch that already does outdoor PT at all of these locations and already has a test that completely disregards ambient temp, humidity, and altitude needs to study the effects of new testing in those same exact places so they don't adversely impact soldiers. You're seeing the collision of common sense and the Army. More like they are afraid of losing all the old soldiers and all the female soldiers.
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i dunno if it's changed because i haven't been following it much (i'm sure it has), but when i got out last year HQDA were still firmly against any permanent profile exemptions for the ACFT, which was particularly hilarious in aviation because it would have gutted like 90% of the NCOs above E-6 in the first year. like did anyone at the pentagon even look at the demographics? it seemed like every AHB or GSAB HQ was uncomfortably aware that their senior NCOs were just going to evaporate come 2021.
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PeterCat posted:Outdated physical fitness test Has anyone said there was any major issue with running/pushups/situps? I get that it's been around for a while, but the APFT just exists to give a commander a general idea about the level of fitness in his unit. I've never used it as some kind of end all/be all test of total physical fitness, and I don't think it should be. brains posted:i dunno if it's changed because i haven't been following it much (i'm sure it has), It has. Permanent profiles are fine now and the alternate events are in. The exact standards for the alternate events are what's got to get nailed down.
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spacetoaster posted:Has anyone said there was any major issue with running/pushups/situps? I get that it's been around for a while, but the APFT just exists to give a commander a general idea about the level of fitness in his unit. I've never used it as some kind of end all/be all test of total physical fitness, and I don't think it should be. Level of fitness to do what exactly?
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:Level of fitness to do what exactly? In my case shuffle a bunch of paper around a large office. Is that what you meant?
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spacetoaster posted:Has anyone said there was any major issue with running/pushups/situps? I get that it's been around for a while, but the APFT just exists to give a commander a general idea about the level of fitness in his unit. I've never used it as some kind of end all/be all test of total physical fitness, and I don't think it should be. It doesn't effectively assess the level of fitness in a unit because it's a terrible way to test for physical fitness. The ACFT is a better test in every way when it comes to telling if someone is actually physically fit for army stuff. But the ACFT is harder to manage logistically in every way because it follows that if the test is better for assessing physical fitness, the 135 lb dudes that can max an APFT because they're only moving 75 lbs in a pushup are suddenly revealed to not actually be physically fit by meaningful and useful standards. I think this is good; maxing the APFT 2 mile run but being unable to carry someone because you're too physically weak makes you worse at doing soldier stuff, not better. It also removed the gendered scoring, age-based scoring, and the minimums should be easier for anyone in okayish shape to achieve. It provides more useful data on actual physical fitness in a unit, as well as a more useful range of data - if you're making decisions based on someone's PT score, a maxed ACFT is rare and is going to require they be in legitimately great shape, and a failure tells you that they're really not in shape or they don't care. Unfortunately it all falls apart because real physical fitness with strength requirements necessitates actual training and equipment. Calisthenics don't make people stronger at deadlifting. The guard especially is struggling with this.. people that could cruise through an APFT by just not getting fat aren't able to do a leg tuck or have never deadlifted with a trap bar, and it's on them to figure it out and improve.
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We could just go back to thw WWII PT test. It would go well with the retro Class As https://readynutrition.com/resources/see-how-you-stack-up-against-the-ww2-fitness-test_11102014/ 7 pull ups 31 jump squats 27 pushups 52 situps in 2 minutes and a 300 yard sprint in 52.5 seconds And you need to do it all within a 2 hour time period. To receive the highest score, you need to do considerably more: 20 pull ups 75 jump squats 54 pushups 79 situps in 2 minutes and run 300 yards in 44 seconds
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spacetoaster posted:Has anyone said there was any major issue with running/pushups/situps? That army has known since the 90s that situps are just a spine killer of limited fitness or strength benefit. There's a report on it on DTIC if you care to find it.
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not caring here posted:That army has known since the 90s that situps are just a spine killer of limited fitness or strength benefit. I believe it. What was the test we had before the APFT? Run, dodge, jump?
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To be honest, I don't know. When I joined up, I came in thinking "man, these army peeps must really know something about exercise science and poo poo, I'll really be able to learn something new!" Then first day of basic comes around and then it's like "RIGHT gently caress FACES THIS IS THE BEND AND REACH" and then I thought "oh my god what the gently caress have I done" and that's when I stopped paying attention to anything the army said about exercise.
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not caring here posted:To be honest, I don't know. When I joined up, I came in thinking "man, these army peeps must really know something about exercise science and poo poo, I'll really be able to learn something new!" NOT TO DEFEND the bend and reach or any of the stupid in cadence poo poo we do, but dynamic stretching actually is better than static stretching. And it looks less dumb than the loving knees and ankle rotation. Honestly, since we're talking about a test for "army stuff" which doesn't really mean anything anyway, why not just a timed 12 mile ruck. It doesn't get more "army stuff" than that. APFT, btw, is great at how simple it is and how good a job it generally does at "giving your commander a general idea of your muscular strength and endurance". Yeah, there are exceptions like tall people generally suck at sit ups that you could maybe refine with crunches like the marine corps, but there's absolutely a correlation between some vague "general fitness for army stuff" and a high APFT score.
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I don't know what to say to your post other than Hahaha, I made my choice. I chose to buy in and lose my soul.
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As an actual semi-legitimate fitness professional with a degree in the field (lol), one of the actual kinda meaningful certifications (CSCS, kinda lol), and some decent accomplishments both personal and from clients: Every single loving rear end-backwards aspect of the military's physical fitness culture and praxis can suck my loving dick from the back. There are zero redeeming aspects to any of it until you get to JSOC level resources, and any half measure bullshit anyone tries to implement (Army PRT drills) is immediately rendered worthless the second it's implemented.
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Need to go back to training with heavy clubs.
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The army should switch to yoga
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:The army should switch to yoga Staff officers already do this, if we even bother to show up to PT that is.
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And today I learned that I've finally completely forgotten what any of the PT exercises were. Thank god.
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They were all things that you'd never do in a gym because they are largely ineffective, and with the added bonus of getting your rear end laughed at so hard that you could never go back. And that's basically all you need to be remember.
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not caring here posted:
I love this part the most. New thread title?
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not caring here posted:
Sounds very much like my first day of basic.
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Didn't the Navy get rid of the situps because it's pointless and actually creates injuries?
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Howard Phillips posted:Didn't the Navy get rid of the situps because it's pointless and actually creates injuries? They were supposed to remove them and replace them with planks, but googling today looks like they have not done that and situps are still a part of the PRT.
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PRT is one of the dumbest things in a very dumb army.
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Itchy_Grundle posted:I love this part the most. New thread title? I support this action. *signs off on the 4187, sends it to higher*
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Mr. Nice! posted:I had never actually encountered the bend and reach since they do not do it in the navy. I finally googled it and watched a video. loving At my last unit there was usually a dude a week that was getting carted off to the hospital because the combination of having been standing in formation for 15 minutes, the freezing cold, prior injuries and a wild swinging touch your toes type motion makes you prone to seriously throwing your back out. Who would've thought?
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To be fair, the movement is supposed to be slow and deliberate, but so many of these drills not to mention parts of the ACFT) are high maintenance in that doing them improperly likely leads to injury. Hell, I'm no doctor. Would it surprise me if doing them properly also lead to injury?
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Bell_ posted:To be fair, the movement is supposed to be slow and deliberate, but so many of these drills not to mention parts of the ACFT) are high maintenance in that doing them improperly likely leads to injury. Most of the time that I've done PRT the instructor tries to go as quickly as possible so they can get to "THE REAL PT" and if they go slow and deliberate people complain. It's just a check-the-box thing. The only good PT I've ever had has been being released to workout in a gym, and even then usually there isn't enough time to get as good a workout as I want in before forming back up and getting accountability to go off and do other dumb poo poo.
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My favorite part of army pt is where they force you to do exactly what they want, in their exact way, at their exact speed, at their time, in their choice of clothes, at their venue, sing songs while doing it, even controlling how you breathe, for their specified duration and they then tell you that it's your responsibility.
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The whole Army should adopt officer PT, which is essentially do whatever the gently caress you want for PT. Strangely I could rarely get anyone to agree with me on this. "Soldiers would just get fat and fail PT tests!" Bruh, they already do! Most Soldiers I met had an interest in physical fitness but they're always forced to do whatever dumb poo poo their NCOs want them to do. The one size fits all approach to physical fitness doesn't work and it never will.
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ARMY ARMY ARMY ARMY ARMY ARMY ARMY ... ARMY
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Mustang posted:The whole Army should adopt officer PT, which is essentially do whatever the gently caress you want for PT. Strangely I could rarely get anyone to agree with me on this. ahem, have you ever heard of a little something called ESPRIT DE CORPS??
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