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Googling it, it looks like several major car companies - Nissan, Kia, Ford, and BMW have successfully sued people under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for hacking the computers inside of cars that they owned.
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Is the turn signal part of of the optional equipment that BMWs are built with but nobody want to pay to use?
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withak posted:Worst case scenario: they send someone around to confiscate your BMW-branded apparel and accessories. Do you think that would include M2 branded avatars on internet comedy forums?
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crazypeltast52 posted:Do you think that would include M2 branded avatars on internet comedy forums? It would.
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therobit posted:Is the turn signal part of of the optional equipment that BMWs are built with but nobody want to At least not in MA.
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No matter how pointless your job seems, always remember that somewhere out there is an engineer who had to design a turn signal for BMW.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A heated seat subscription sounds like a plot point in a satirical dystopian capitalist novel. We're probably about a generation from car ownership being antiquated altogether, this will all be moot in that case. It wasn't that long ago that people were complaining the world was ending when software vendors moved towards term licensing and now most applications are vendor hosted and no one bats an eye. In the end most people that don't have a sentimental attachment would rather pay for the amount and type of car as needed than making a semi-regular large purchase and maintaining something they don't use 98% of the time.
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Jul 8, 2020 04:21
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It's gonna be worse. Your bmw will one day offer to let you watch a 30 second ad to turn on your heated seats. Then some day later they'll stop asking. Then there will be premium lanes for the autodrive. Think carpool lane but pay to win, price scaled by demand.
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Jul 8, 2020 04:22
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honda whisperer posted:Then there will be premium lanes for the autodrive. Think carpool lane but pay to win, price scaled by demand. We legit have those in Minnesota, toll lanes that adjust price based on traffic. They adjust prices based on usage. Carpoolers get to use it for free (which is the point), and they're free during non-peak time. https://www.dot.state.mn.us/mnpass/howmnpassworks.html Putting in features that are enabled/disabled by software isn't that big of a deal. BMW would probably save money overall even shipping out the parts by simplifying the production and distribution, not to mention people would likely add-on during their first winter. It's weird buying something that you can't use, but segmenting like that happens all the time. The subscription thing is super dumb, not at all surprising though.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A heated seat subscription sounds like a plot point in a satirical dystopian capitalist novel. Midjack posted:BMW tried this with Apple CarPlay a few years ago and got burned at the stake for it. If they continue, this will go the way of John Deere tractors where the owners download hacked Ukrainian firmware to install repair parts and save having to pay the JD tech to come out and enroll the new part. Was going to mention that. The disappointing thing is that they would definitely get traction on it if they were to offer ala cart features instead of several different versions of the same care. Only pay for the features you want! I don't think car ownership is going anywhere for at least a generation if not longer, but we've been staring at the writing on the wall of companies using the DMCA to prevent self repair.
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Jul 8, 2020 04:46
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Just lmao if you don't jailbreak your car.
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Braking With Microtransactions: You Would Download A Car
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SpelledBackwards posted:Braking With Microtransactions: You Would Download A Car It’s a shame we just got a new title, this is primo
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The most dystopian novel part of BMW's new subscription model is that "safety" features like lane-keeping assistance, adaptive cruise control, parking assist camera, and the feature that automatically pulls you over if there are no hands on the wheel for a certain amount of time all require subscriptions. "Sorry kids, Grandpa had a heart attack on the road. He might have made it, but unfortunately his emergency off-road feature didn't have an up to date credit card on file. So, he went headfirst into a semi." Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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Midjack posted:The Harts: "Fun" fact, the boy in this famous viral photo is one of those children, Devonte Hart: 
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SpelledBackwards posted:Braking With Microtransactions: You Would Download A Car While this particular conversation is taking place, please submit all title suggestions as if this was the Bad Money With thread
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Googling it, it looks like several major car companies - Nissan, Kia, Ford, and BMW have successfully sued people under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for hacking the computers inside of cars that they owned. It's become a huge issue in farming and has low key been one for much longer in heavy machinery and the military. Caterpillar has been doing it forever, there's also a lot of equipment in the military qualified mechanics aren't allowed to work on. Overseas there's a lot of equipment they fixed because they needed it to work, and then it "fell" off a boat on the way back so techs wouldn't get in trouble for doing unliscenced repairs. Tractors made in the 70s are getting more popular now, they don't have the gps navigation and programmable patterns for tilling fields but you don't have to hack them just to do an oil change. Luckily the tools and equipment I use have no reason to be computerized but I can imagine the day some idiot stuffs a processor into a bandsaw. Right to repair stuff is already really scary to me, but until now your average person has been able to ignore it because tons of people don't fix their own things, and a good many don't fix anything and just buy to replace when something is out of date. I'm curious to see if there's backlash as these more stringent and obvious restrictions on things you "own" create any backlash or if people just swallow it. We've already seen games and other media as a service but so far that has tended towards the intangibles.. What happens when that fully jumps the gap to something you can hold in your hands, take home, but really isn't "yours?"
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threelemmings posted:Tractors made in the 70s are getting more popular now, they don't have the gps navigation and programmable patterns for tilling fields but you don't have to hack them just to do an oil change. Luckily the tools and equipment I use have no reason to be computerized but I can imagine the day some idiot stuffs a processor into a bandsaw. And those 70s tractors are getting GPSes and autosteer installed on them. I think I brought this up before, but probably not in this thread. The right side joystick on my bobcat was going bad. I got the part. I installed the part. I did this with it on the trailer, because the part won't work until they "program" it. I took it to the dealer and paid over $300 for them to hook up a laptop and spend more time writing up the service order and bill than the actual "programming". It never even came off the trailer. There is no plausible reason why a joystick would need to be programmed. It's unique on that machine (the left joystick is totally different), so even if it is on some sort of CAN bus, it would be the only thing with that vendor/model ID on the bus. Motronic fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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you still don't get the performance out of a 1970s tractor even with upfit kits. it's fine if you're a hobbyist farmer or small acreage but for big commercial farms the new stuff still makes sense even if it's locked down.
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 Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Going on a trip with the plan of gambling on the kindness of Cambodian villagers to get you home is Bad With Money, Bad With Morals, and Bad With Making it home. I met one of these on a bike tour across most of North America. She was from Poland (and, fortunately, going the other way.) She was bizarrely proud of her mission to spend none of her own money.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you still don't get the performance out of a 1970s tractor even with upfit kits. it's fine if you're a hobbyist farmer or small acreage but for big commercial farms the new stuff still makes sense even if it's locked down. While that is correct, it does come with the huge caveat 'while it works' quote:Stories like what happened to Nebraska farmer Kyle Schwarting, whose John Deere combine malfunctioned and couldn’t be fixed by Schwarting himself---because the equipment was designed with a software lock that only an authorized John Deere service technician could access. Schwarting could have taken the machine to an official John Deere shop, but that would mean paying thousands of dollars to load the tractor on a flatbed truck and haul it to the dealership, all while the window for harvest was closing. quote:Parked up in front of his house is a bright red 27-ton Case tractor which has tracks instead of wheels. It’s worth about $250,000, and there’s a problem with it: an in-cab alarm sounds at ten-minute intervals to alert him to a faulty hydraulic connector he never needs to use.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you still don't get the performance out of a 1970s tractor even with upfit kits. it's fine if you're a hobbyist farmer or small acreage but for big commercial farms the new stuff still makes sense even if it's locked down. I'm not really sure that's true. You can absolutely upfit a 70s tractor, including re-powering it. Sometimes you just need a big rear end heavy tractor to pull an air cart and seeding drill. In fact, just about ever farmer needs to do this for planting....... These tractors aren't and never were a substitute for a combine, which is probably the kind of thing you're thinking about. New combines absolutely can't be reasonably replaced with their 70s counterparts. So there's still a harvesting problem. Also, sprayers have gotten a TON better and it's probably worth running a fancy new one.
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yeah pulling dead stuff is workable with 70s tech but integration of any new implements is kind of a pain, and as you said a lot of implement tech has gotten way, way better the reason that OEMs aren't opening this stuff up is nominally to prevent farmers, who love loving with poo poo, from hacking their tractors and then filing warranty claims when say the turbo grenades or whatever because someones been loving with it. of course there is a profit motive as well, but at least one of the big midwest right to repair guys is mostly in it because he wants to tune tractors, and i guarantee he's gonna be trying to file warranty when he fucks one up
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Motronic posted:I'm not really sure that's true. Newer combines are so out of reach for a farmer that is working less than a few thousand acres that 1970s tech is preferable to spending a half million dollars on a new rig that is designed for larger acreage. Big corporate farms of course prefer all the new tech, but the old poo poo is always going to have a place with small operations. Edit: I'm coming at this from a dryland wheat farming perspective because that's what my family does. I have no clue about corn farming in Iowa.
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Beef/Wheat Machinery: I have no clue about corn farming in Iowa.
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Enjoy one I just picked from /r/relationship_advice: My (25F) boyfriend (25M) keeps asking me to invest in his "soup tube" business idea, and I am not sure how to deal with it. (self.relationship_advice) submitted 12 hours ago by throwra_souptube https://old.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/hn9nqd/my_25f_boyfriend_25m_keeps_asking_me_to_invest_in/ quote:I have been living with my boyfriend for about 7 months. Two weeks ago he sat me down and presented a powerpoint presentation with his business idea. I knew he'd been working on an idea, but he didn't want to tell me about it until it was finished. Based on his enthusiasm and his prior seemingly intelligent nature, I thought maybe it'd be a pretty cool idea.
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Residency Evil posted:Beef/Wheat Machinery: I have no clue about corn farming in Iowa. Farming is very BWM.
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Motronic posted:Enjoy one I just picked from /r/relationship_advice: Goddamn I wish it was possible to know which reddit OPs are creative writing or not. This one is great. Maybe I should enjoy it either way. e: I'd be very surprised if it wasn't fake  reads too perfectly, it's quite well written, and OP has not replied. r/relationship_advice has gotten pretty popular and well-known in all the comedy corners of the internet, so it's not surprising that more fakes are getting posted.
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Motronic posted:Enjoy one I just picked from /r/relationship_advice: Part of me wonders if this is bipolar disorder. The other part of me wonders what my wife would say if I spent my WFH day coming up with a "Soup Tube" powerpoint to show her tonight.
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A series of tubes? Maybe he should dump the soup on a big truck instead
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Can't wait to call the plumber to snake out my soup tube when I upgrade my soup sub to chili
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They better serve moonshine with that or else discontent will rise and hope will fall.
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Motronic posted:And those 70s tractors are getting GPSes and autosteer installed on them. As an aside it's funny as given our posts I'm getting the impression we've had similar life experiences/career paths, just weird and funny to obliquely learn about people as we discuss peoples dumb money habits. On topic: your issue is why in these articles the small shops are dealing with older equipment or jailbreaking, because as you noted you did all the work and the dealership charged you just to flip the switch. The companies make a big deal about how the systems could cascade and one alteration could throw the whole delicate system off, but clearly it often just comes down to a quick compatibility check and you're off to the races. As you say in your example it's hard to imagine why a joystick should be integrated into the system that hard. If anything if it's got its own chip it should be capable of sending its own OK signal to the rest of your machine if they're concerned about someone making an aftermarket alteration instead of replacing a faulty part. That's my main beef with a lot of right to repair stuff is when we're talking replacing broken mechanical parts or swapping out consumables. If you get an exhaust fault and swap out the filter causing it the machine should be able to recheck itself, see things are ok and get back to work.
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Motronic posted:Enjoy one I just picked from /r/relationship_advice: Bruh you left out the best part. https://souptube.online/
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Motronic posted:Enjoy one I just picked from /r/relationship_advice: I read this as "soap tube" for some reason and i imagined regular soap bars in the shape of a cylinder. original idea do not steal
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threelemmings posted:As an aside it's funny as given our posts I'm getting the impression we've had similar life experiences/career paths, just weird and funny to obliquely learn about people as we discuss peoples dumb money habits. my VIN serialized tail lights would like a word with you german engineering isn't a compliment
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:my VIN serialized tail lights would like a word with you God a tail light on a car is like the definition of a consumable, are you talking the glass or the bulbs themselves? Either way that's insane.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:my VIN serialized tail lights would like a word with you It's usually used to force others to comply.
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threelemmings posted:God a tail light on a car is like the definition of a consumable, are you talking the glass or the bulbs themselves? Either way that's insane. With newer cars and LED fixtures they are all one unit. Theoretically they should "never" burn out, but we all know that isn't true. Also damage happens.
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If you all aren't driving 99 Honda Civics, just BWM all around.
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