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grieving for Gandalf posted:what does it mean about a character if Christ imagery is invoked pertaining to them It can mean any number of things. Christ imagery can be used just as much to portray megalomania and delusions of grandeur as it can genuine godliness, like how often do TV shows and films portray sinister cult leaders wreathed in halos with beatific expressions high on their own bullshit?
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multijoe posted:It can mean any number of things. Christ imagery can be used just as much to portray megalomania and delusions of grandeur as it can genuine godliness, like how often do TV shows and films portray sinister cult leaders wreathed in halos with beatific expressions high on their own bullshit? okay so Giorno isn't Jesus, he's Evil Jesus. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this deep JoJo lore
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The Jesus figure in Jojo is Jesus.
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Pigbuster posted:The Jesus figure in Jojo is Jesus. 
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grieving for Gandalf posted:okay so Giorno isn't Jesus, he's Evil Jesus. I'm glad we got to the bottom of this deep JoJo lore Ita fun to talk about the themes and imagery of this manga, I'm sorry this seems to bother you
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Pigbuster posted:The Jesus figure in Jojo is Jesus. Okay but if Jesus is a Jojo then ... every Jojo is a Jesus? poo poo
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multijoe posted:Okay but if Jesus is a Jojo then ... every Jojo is a Jesus? poo poo *astronaut meme image format*
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multijoe posted:Okay but if Jesus is a Jojo then ... every Jojo is a Jesus? poo poo It’s Jesuses all the way down
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My theory is that Araki learned that Christianity existed mid-way through Vento Aureo and spent all his energy between then and the end of Steel Ball Run to work Jesus into his weird punch ghost comic.
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Jul 30, 2020 17:38
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Please, his names is Joses Joestar.
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Jul 30, 2020 17:39
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Joshua Josephson - christ is canonically a JoJo
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Or if you prefer, Joshua Ben-Joseph
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multijoe posted:Ita fun to talk about the themes and imagery of this manga, I'm sorry this seems to bother you That's why I was talking about religious imagery and theming of Giorno and why I was confused about this idea that he was actually a horrible megalomaniac of a monster compared to the other elements that paint him as an entirely positive figure, if only a little bit Machiavellian in achieving his goals.
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Dio means God....... really makes you think
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FirstAidKite posted:That's why I was talking about religious imagery and theming of Giorno and why I was confused about this idea that he was actually a horrible megalomaniac of a monster compared to the other elements that paint him as an entirely positive figure, if only a little bit Machiavellian in achieving his goals. No offence was meant. My point is the ending to Giorno's arc is him failing to resist the temptation of power and proclaiming himself the new king of hell after he slays the Devil, and that should inform how we view his Christ imagery. Polnareff even gives him the 'destroy the One Ring Isildur!' speech and he very conspicuously doesn't. e: the last two pages for reference, this guy is not Jesus material  
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Dio means God....... really makes you think I know you're being sarcastic but like... yeah, it does matter that his name means God, it is important. JJBA isn't just a bunch of dumb random bs.
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FirstAidKite posted:I know you're being sarcastic but like... yeah, it does matter that his name means God, it is important. JJBA isn't just a bunch of dumb random bs. Nah I’m aware that’s why Araki named him that, I was just shot posting
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He named him Dio because that's Ronnie James Dio's name Though he chose that name because it means God so it's a case of great minds thinking alike Pigbuster fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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multijoe posted:No offence was meant. My point is the ending to Giorno's arc is him failing to resist the temptation of power and proclaiming himself the new king of hell after he slays the Devil, and that should inform how we view his Christ imagery. Polnareff even gives him the 'destroy the One Ring Isildur!' speech and he very conspicuously doesn't. I'd love an AU where Giorno was a better and more rounded (maybe even polarizing) character, and for him to come back as an antagonist in a future part Actually poo poo, by changing a few things Giorno could've even shown up in part 6 and end up partly responsible for the reset
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:I'd love an AU where Giorno was a better and more rounded (maybe even polarizing) character, and for him to come back as an antagonist in a future part Araki pointing out "and oh??? GIORNO is also in the area!???" and doing nothing with it is the biggest tease of all time. I'm not really the type to get salty about him dropping a plot point and I'm honestly okay with 6's ending, but man. You're vacationing right next to cape Canaveral Giorno go see Nasa
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I like the idea that Giorno, Mista, and Trish are just having great time at Disney better tbh.
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Do you think it'd have been better or worse received if part 6's ending was because of GER bullshit
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Do you think it'd have been better or worse received if part 6's ending was because of GER bullshit I want to say worse, but I know most people think GER is just cool as heck so honestly who knows. I agree with you though, in another world Araki bringing back Giorno as an antagonist could be really interesting. I guess if you want to look at it really obliquely he eventually does with Diego, who is practically the same character portrayed in a harsher light
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Pigbuster posted:Araki pointing out "and oh??? GIORNO is also in the area!???" and doing nothing with it is the biggest tease of all time. I'm not really the type to get salty about him dropping a plot point and I'm honestly okay with 6's ending, but man. You're vacationing right next to cape Canaveral Giorno go see Nasa he never actually says that giorno is there, i'm pretty sure all he does is hint at the idea of 'could giorno have also showed up??' but the answer is no. it's a bit of a difference.
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Giorno's final moments before getting whacked by Stairway to Heaven was hugging Mickey Mouse and loudly declaring that here is where Mickey is and that you'd have to be a total idiot to not be able to find him.
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"『Gold Experience Requiem!』 You'll never reach the Mouse..."
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multijoe posted:No offence was meant. My point is the ending to Giorno's arc is him failing to resist the temptation of power and proclaiming himself the new king of hell after he slays the Devil, and that should inform how we view his Christ imagery. Polnareff even gives him the 'destroy the One Ring Isildur!' speech and he very conspicuously doesn't. Yeah that's just where you and I have to agree to disagree since I see that whole bit as a positive, a flat representation that Giorno has succeeded in his goal and things will be changed for the better, with showing Giorno not only in the position of Don but specifically showing him being the Don in an open role with others acknowledging his position and accepting it.
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"Is Giorno Jesus Christ" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 7,298 pages of heated debate, My take is that Giorno is indeed Jesus Christ and Bruno is Lazarus.
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I think the most obvious biblical parallel in Jojo is Poor Tom as John the Baptist, since he’s the only confirmed character in canon a woman gets head from
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Electric Phantasm posted:I like the idea that Giorno, Mista, and Trish are just having great time at Disney better tbh. Son of Thunderbeast posted:Do you think it'd have been better or worse received if part 6's ending was because of GER bullshit Pucci's new universe didn't revert because he died, but because Giorno got pissed at all that bullshit ruining their vacation, so he undid it.
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Having died and been resurrected Josefumi/Josuke arguably has the stronger claim to being the Jesus JoJo
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overmind2000 posted:Having died and been resurrected Josefumi/Josuke arguably has the stronger claim to being the Jesus JoJo There can be more than one bit of imagery or inspiration. Case in point, Jojolion being the name of the part, and even this cover art.  Araki revisits and reuses themes across a lot of his work so it isn't a surprise that different characters across different parts and even different characters in the same parts can evoke that kind of imagery or fit that kind of comparison.
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overmind2000 posted:Having died and been resurrected Josefumi/Josuke arguably has the stronger claim to being the Jesus JoJo And Joseph.
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EvanJoJolion Dammit I just wanna see giant mechs striking ridiculous poses 
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Giosus Giones
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6vKjDyTrU
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I just started watching this show and am enjoying it very much. My favorite part is when someone gets beat up Edit:gently caress wrong thread DeadFatDuckFat fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Aug 8, 2020 |
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Aug 8, 2020 00:01
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Giorno’s hair turned yellow because he drinks piss and likes it
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Sounds like Knights of Cydonia but in a good way
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