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There's a couple of anecdotes about Rothfuss being a creepy old dude at cons and such but nothing will ever top the complete level of hosed up writing that was his lotr blog post. That kind of blew the lid off his very weird views on women and suddenly his brand of being a proud feminist is much more obviously just talk and not anything he means.
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pentyne posted:There's a couple of anecdotes about Rothfuss being a creepy old dude at cons and such but nothing will ever top the complete level of hosed up writing that was his lotr blog post. He mistakes benevolent sexism as feminism and objectification as compliments.
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Aug 9, 2020 16:46
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Dienes posted:He mistakes benevolent sexism as feminism and objectification as compliments. Truly, he is but the apprentice to master Whedon.
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Aug 9, 2020 21:00
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pentyne posted:There's a couple of anecdotes about Rothfuss being a creepy old dude at cons and such but nothing will ever top the complete level of hosed up writing that was his lotr blog post. Link?
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Aug 9, 2020 23:38
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It's been posted a lot in this thread already.Patrick Rothfuss, feminist, posted:It will be a good movie. Maybe even a great movie. But it will also be, at best, a moderately okay adaptation of the subtle, sweet book that I grew up loving.
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Aug 10, 2020 01:01
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Wait, that was about Lord of the Rings?????
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Aug 10, 2020 01:41
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lol I forgot it was all a convoluted metaphor for LOTR
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Aug 10, 2020 01:42
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Dienes posted:benevolent sexism Who the what now? Do you mean faux chivalry?
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Aug 10, 2020 01:50
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I think my favorite part is that he watches pole dancing on PornHub.TheGreatEvilKing posted:Wait, that was about Lord of the Rings????? HIJK posted:lol I forgot it was all a convoluted metaphor for LOTR
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Aug 10, 2020 02:25
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Sham bam bamina! posted:
There is no defense for the Hobbit (the movie). It's awful. Don't let that distract from Rothfuss being terrible too.
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Aug 10, 2020 04:07
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Who writes a blog post slutshaming a movie trilogy without realising how awful an idea it is and throwing their keyboard into the sea, god drat
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Aug 10, 2020 10:45
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Illuyankas posted:Who writes a blog post slutshaming a movie trilogy without realising how awful an idea it is and throwing their keyboard into the sea, god drat This was before it even came out too. He slutshamed it just on the idea that they were making movies about the Hobbit. That was the thing that got him mad enough to write such sexist garbage.
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Aug 10, 2020 12:15
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The thing that gets me about the post is he is so extremely specific about the "hypothetical" woman in question that it must be an actual person he knew that he had all his little fantasies of wooing her and making her see how he was The One for her and later in life she got married/was no longer pure and sent him into a rage spiral that she ruined herself and her angelic potential by not just becoming his tradwife. Creepy fantasy authors are a pretty low bar to clear to be acceptable but that blog post from a guy who can't cough without reminding people he's a feminist would've torched his brand if the industry was even 10% better about these things.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:33
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It also comes across pretty strongly that he doesn't view that woman as a person. Chris, what an rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 10, 2020 17:45
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quote:We loved the sweet, shy, freckly girl. We still remember her name, and after all these years she lives close to our heart. Seeing her in lipstick and stiletto heels dancing on a pole is like watching Winnie the Pooh do heroin and then glass someone in a bar fight. I can't even pick out the worst part of it because reading it carefully for details makes my skin crawl, but the line "they have nothing in common but their social security number" is one of the most dehumanizing things I've ever read that someone tried to frame as poetic or meaningful. He's literally defined her entire identity by physical characteristics and once those changed the person he "loved" is dead to him. It's interesting to see that almost all of the book 3 chat on r/kingkiller is firmly "yeah it's not happening, Rothfuss has been lying" and even the people mustering up a half hearted defense are saying it doesn't matter why anymore because his entire brand has been about him making all these claims of progress like the book 3 "draft" and if he just flat out said he was struggling and couldn't write he'd probably get way more support and sympathy. Someone linked this lovely quote from 2007 quote:Interviewer: " What can readers expect from the two sequels and the trilogy that will follow this one? " 13 years. pentyne fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Aug 10, 2020 19:44
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That is some heinous and tortured prose
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Aug 10, 2020 19:48
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He was close to being profound there but, as usual, takes it into creep territory instead. I mean, for people we don't interact with anymore, their version of us in their minds is nothing more than a memory. But he states that in the worst way.
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Aug 10, 2020 19:57
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Daric posted:He was close to being profound there but, as usual, takes it into creep territory instead. I mean, for people we don't interact with anymore, their version of us in their minds is nothing more than a memory. But he states that in the worst way. That's the thing, that wasn't the point he was trying to make. All of that was in service of talking about a film adaptation of a book, not how people change over time or how someone reckons with that. The book didn't morph into the movie the way that a teenager ages into an adult. He describes the adaptation of the book by way of a human being, and then describes that human being in purely objectifying and explicitly pornographic terms, and never is anything mentioned about the person in and of themselves, only their relationship to his gratification. Of course, this is a fictional person and in this metaphor a literal object since you're asked to just imagine a woman, but the fact that he is choosing to express this emotion of consumptive media by way of a human being is telling about his psychology, not least of which because this very thread evidences that this isn't something he has done in isolation - he constantly does it. If he approached any kind of profound thought, it's purely incidental.
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Aug 10, 2020 20:18
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btw would love to watch winnie the pooh just absolutely clean out a bar
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Patware posted:btw would love to watch winnie the pooh just absolutely clean out a bar He's doing that a lot in hong kong atm
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Aug 10, 2020 20:35
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I was expecting the Goldberry+Devi fanfic and got something even worse. pentyne posted:The thing that gets me about the post is he is so extremely specific about the "hypothetical" woman in question that it must be an actual person he knew that he had all his little fantasies of wooing her and making her see how he was The One for her and later in life she got married/was no longer pure and sent him into a rage spiral that she ruined herself and her angelic potential by not just becoming his tradwife. There is absolutely zero doubt on this. Considering how much of his writing is his personal (power)fantasies there's absolutely a geek girl he had a crush on in high school who made life choices that ruined his image of her or, you know, went from being a teenager in high school to a woman in control of her own life.
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Aug 10, 2020 21:28
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Evil Fluffy posted:I was expecting the Goldberry+Devi fanfic and got something even worse. Did she even change? It reads like she went from a girl he barely knew/interacted with and filed in the gaps with his own desires to a woman he barely knew and filled in the gaps with his own desires (that he then shames her for).
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Aug 10, 2020 21:32
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Rothfuss also wrote tantrumy reviews on Goodreads regarding the children's books about Eloise, trying to tie it to the Ugly American stereotype and ranting about how Eloise was a horrible oval office or something for the crime of being a little girl. Never mind that it was a children's picture book series about a 6 year old girl who lives in the Plaza that was written by the terrific actress Kay Thompson, herself an accomplished musician, actress, radio star, and composer. Rothfuss hates any  he can't gently caress and like that creative writing exercise shows, goes into a flustered rage when women are unavailable or have sex with men that aren't him. The fact that he also extends this to characters in picture books is what stands out to me.
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Aug 10, 2020 22:05
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The first two Kingkiller books were obviously his self-therapy for being such a loser in high school and presumably undergrad too. Now that Rothfuss' implausible Gary Stu self-insert has had all of the sex, he has basically accomplished everything he needed to. Finish wizard school? Eh, whatever. Who wants to be a washed up magic professor anyway? Kill kings? He taught the sex goddess how to gently caress better; he has better things to do. Revenge for the murder of his parents? Who even remembers that plot line? What were their names again? Did Kvothe even bring up his parents again except to creepily describe how they made music together and then made music together? If Rothfuss had had some memorable antagonist in his teenage years you can bet that they'd be in the books but it's clear that nothing motivates him to write like unrequited lust.
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It's kind of amazing how little Kvothe achieved to be this supposedly legendary outlaw. He, uh, helped a mayor get laid, killed a nonthreatening not a dragon by getting it super high, didn't get anywhere with Denna, banged some women with low standards, and supposedly made out with the sex goddess in a way no one can prove or disprove.
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Aug 10, 2020 22:38
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's kind of amazing how little Kvothe achieved to be this supposedly legendary outlaw. He, uh, helped a mayor get laid, killed a nonthreatening not a dragon by getting it super high, didn't get anywhere with Denna, banged some women with low standards, and supposedly made out with the sex goddess in a way no one can prove or disprove. Maybe this is just the tip of the iceberg and we will really get to the awesome part of his legacy in the next/last book.
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So I got the Rogues short story collection from the library because it had a story by Abercrombie. But it also has one by our boy Rothfuss, entitled "The Lighting Tree". That's a pretty good title, you'd expect maybe some interesting things would happen in this story? Well interesting things almost do happen, in that they're talked about, but the whole story is actually about Bast being a lech. The entire text involves Bast hanging out while boys from the town come to trade him things for secrets and vice versa. Bast then has a lot of sex. He walks by a shepherdess and then they have sex. He trades one of the kids a secret to find out where another woman bathes, and then they have sex. He helps another kid chase his abusive father out of town (this is the humanizing moment in the story for Bast) but he also stops by their house and has sex with the mom. Rothfuss' prose is competent enough that the story flows fairly well from one instance to the next. There's a nice focus on the natural world which makes the whole thing feel calm and rustic. Combined with all the nudity and hint of mythology it's like being stuck inside a Bougureau painting. But you get a pretty good sense for what the author thinks of women in a small amount of pages. They're there to look nice and be sexed, and defended from vile abusers. And that's about it.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's kind of amazing how little Kvothe achieved to be this supposedly legendary outlaw. He, uh, helped a mayor get laid, killed a nonthreatening not a dragon by getting it super high, didn't get anywhere with Denna, banged some women with low standards, and supposedly made out with the sex goddess in a way no one can prove or disprove. Yeah but there was also that bandit camp killing scene which was pretty dope. It was an excellent way to really show off the magic system he spent a book and a half refining. More of that and less of everything else and we're golden. Edit: the more I think about it the more I like it, it was probably the only time I've read someone so satisfyingly use bloodmagic. Terror Sweat fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Aug 10, 2020 23:30
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Bast absolutely reads like he dicks down dudes.
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Aug 11, 2020 00:45
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Oh and there's a passage that tries to explain that this lechery is happening from both sides, with Bast bathing in a place he knows a lot of women will come watch him. But the women are entirely described as types of birds, which kind of undercuts the "don't worry this isn't sexist" aspect of the scene.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's kind of amazing how little Kvothe achieved to be this supposedly legendary outlaw. He, uh, helped a mayor get laid, killed a nonthreatening not a dragon by getting it super high, didn't get anywhere with Denna, banged some women with low standards, and supposedly made out with the sex goddess in a way no one can prove or disprove. It's especially funny with the way the first book opens and he insists he couldn't possibly tell his story to the chronicler in one day.
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Aug 11, 2020 00:56
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's kind of amazing how little Kvothe achieved to be this supposedly legendary outlaw. He, uh, helped a mayor get laid, killed a nonthreatening not a dragon by getting it super high, didn't get anywhere with Denna, banged some women with low standards, and supposedly made out with the sex goddess in a way no one can prove or disprove. If Rothfuss ever releases another book and tries to pull the "well Kvothe was actually an Unreliable Narrator the whole time" card then I hope he chokes on his hobo beard. There are stories where that works, like FFT, but Kingkiller isn't one of them.
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Aug 11, 2020 00:59
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Terror Sweat posted:Yeah but there was also that bandit camp killing scene which was pretty dope. It was an excellent way to really show off the magic system he spent a book and a half refining. More of that and less of everything else and we're golden. Is this real or “ironic”?
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Aug 11, 2020 01:59
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I'm serious. I really liked that part of the book, stabbing a dead body to inflict that damage on others like a giant voodoo doll is cool magic IMO
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Aug 11, 2020 02:44
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If you want cool voodoo bloodmagic watch The Last Airbender, which has an extremely dark episode on it despite being a show for a younger audience.
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Aug 11, 2020 03:26
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That Hobbit post is basically "Centerfold" but twelve minutes long
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Terror Sweat posted:Yeah but there was also that bandit camp killing scene which was pretty dope. It was an excellent way to really show off the magic system he spent a book and a half refining. More of that and less of everything else and we're golden. my reaction to that scene was "oh poo poo, after like 20 hours of audiobook of fuckin nothing happening, we're actually getting somewhere, i can't wait to see the consequences of and followup to all of this" lol at what the consequences (nothing, not a drat thing) and follow up (loving a fairy for thousands of years or whatever) ended up being
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Ccs posted:But the women are entirely described as types of birds, which kind of undercuts the "don't worry this isn't sexist" aspect of the scene.
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TheKennedys posted:That Hobbit post is basically "Centerfold" but twelve minutes long "Centerfold" at least has a punchline
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