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von Metternich posted:I think technically his last words, that we know about, are in that short story where he becomes a Vengance shadow demon and fucks up lorgar. But yeah, it’s pretty stupid What short story is this? And I would love for Corax to come back all warped up but loyal and Guilliman trying to make it work
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D-Pad posted:BL announced: It's Luther: First of the Fallen https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/12/first-of-the-fallen/?fbclid=IwAR3WuqQWMZ5g3sNNV-67yJAPp9-fJfobeZDEiZ66zgEWXRq8-goCXC8lxU8
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Spear of the Emperor primaris question. How is the primaris upgrade method the Mentors brought with them from Calgar superior to the method the Spears already had? Or are they all normal marines, and this was the first primaris in the Veil? Edit: was it the new method upgrades a small-marine whereas the locals only have the tech to upgrade from young humans? As great as the narrator is, jee-rear end aside, this is one where I wish I'd bought the novel instead rather than listen to it across weeks of my short commute. Harder to go back to reference something and easy to miss a line or two in traffic. bagrada fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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bagrada posted:Spear of the Emperor primaris question. How is the primaris upgrade method the Mentors brought with them from Calgar superior to the method the Spears already had? Or are they all normal marines, and this was the first primaris in the Veil? Edit: was it the new method upgrades a small-marine whereas the locals only have the tech to upgrade from young humans? The Spears only had the method to create new Primaris from recruits since Calgar had not crossed the Rubicon yet when they received that information. The Mentor came after the Calgarian Rite had been done so they were able to show them how a normal space marine could be upgraded. Most of the Spears were already Primaris (maybe all?). It was the Mentor that crossed the Rubicon since he was a normal SM.
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NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:Ohhh. Yeah I absolutely did miss that. "My patience, unlike my authority, is limited." Yeah.
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Aug 12, 2020 16:18
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I've been rereading the Cain books, and after all his little school stories I really want Schola Progenium the anime.
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So the big deal with Grey Knights is that they have to wipe out any allies that they meet on the battlefield. But, durimg the Horus Heresy, all the original Grand Masters are decent guys who'd never actually done that, and didn't seem lile the types who would agree to that.
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In Emperor's Gift, they seemed pretty chill and would have preferred not to fight allies, but they're reluctantly loyal to the Inquisition's orders. I think they'd be the types to totally nod and say "yeah we'll totally be a bunch of dicks" while not doing that.
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SardonicTyrant posted:But, durimg the Horus Heresy, all the original Grand Masters are decent guys who'd never actually done that, and didn't seem lile the types who would agree to that. tbf that was ten thousand years ago EDIT: I just checked, and the Horus Heresy only lasted for NINE YEARS? For a galaxy spanning war? That's loving stupid. Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:So the big deal with Grey Knights is that they have to wipe out any allies that they meet on the battlefield. The fluff has always been inconsistent with the "wiping out all knowledge of Chaos". Cain runs into Chaos all the time and knows how the chaos gods work, to the point of advising the IG commanders to not interfere when he sees Khorne chaos marines attacking other chaos troops because he knows the gods have their petty squabbles.
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Miguel Prado posted:What short story is this? And I would love for Corax to come back all warped up but loyal and Guilliman trying to make it work It’s called Shadows of the Past, in the Sons of the emperor anthology.
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Aug 13, 2020 10:23
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pentyne posted:The fluff has always been inconsistent with the "wiping out all knowledge of Chaos". Cain is dating an inquisitor and is also a hero of the imperium, factors which combine well when it comes to having a little leeway and not getting purged. Cain is also one of the few commissars in the setting blessed with genre awareness and a degree of common sense exceeding that of an over-ripened tomato.
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Do you remember when that shithead comissar tried to indict Cain for desertion? Good times.
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Aug 13, 2020 10:55
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Roboute talks publicly (like to civilians) about Mortarion being his brother after he wakes up, and Ultramar fought against Nurgle for 100 years or some poo poo. Knowledge of Chaos will depend on where you are, most of the Imperium population probably doesn't know what the Imperium even is, but plenty of people will have that knowledge especially in the more rational places. The Grey Knights poo poo has always seemed dumb to me. They had IG from Armageddon, who were now battle-hardened veterans against Chaos, and had helped them defeat Angron. That's such an asset, at worst they could have purged anyone suspected of taint or future taint, and kept the rest as a Inquisition Stormtrooper detachment that isn't allowed to go back to their old lives or talk to civilians. Or they could have sent all of them on a suicide mission with some kind of strategic value. Instead they just open fire on the IG ships in front of the Space Wolves who kill their Grand Master and like 100 irreplaceable snowflake Grey Knights.
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Its almost as if the Inquisition is a bunch of hypocritical dicks. AIAB More seriously, I always figured the Grey Knights needed to not be known publicly to keep them out of humanity's hearts and minds. Like they'd lose their effectiveness if enough people knew there were these super potent anti daemon Space Marines. Diluting their plot shields so to speak. Or that the teeming mass's subconsciouses aren't aware of the GK probably sheilds the chapter from the divinations of the warp to some degree.
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Preechr posted:Cain is dating an inquisitor and is also a hero of the imperium, factors which combine well when it comes to having a little leeway and not getting purged. Cain is also one of the few commissars in the setting blessed with genre awareness and a degree of common sense exceeding that of an over-ripened tomato. Cain rules. Different authors treat Chaos differently though. In the Cain novels it's influencing force you have to give yourself to. In other books it's more like nuclear radiation, being around it too long affects you whether or not you mentally want to resist it or not. Any area the Grey Knights get called into is like the Chernobyl reactor, and anyone unprotected by their psychic shenanigans, even fanatically loyal sisters of battle, get radiation poisoning. It's certainly a more grimdark view, since faith and willpower don't matter once the radiation gets strong enough. Meanwhile in the Cain books, he's just like "nah im good" to demons, and then Jurgen shoots them with a melta. I think Cain is resistant to the forces of Chaos because unlike most people in the Imperium, he kind of just does whatever he wants and doesn't feel repressed. He also might possibly be a living saint or something, just one that has so much self preservation that it's never been tested.
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I love how chaos is presented in Anarch. Traitor General showed what life was like under Chaos occupation but Anarch really dives into how a culture actually perceives chaos and how it affects their daily lives. The Mkoll chapters are so good
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pentyne posted:Cain runs into Chaos all the time and knows how the chaos gods work, to the point of advising the IG commanders to not interfere when he sees Khorne chaos marines attacking other chaos troops because he knows the gods have their petty squabbles. Do you remember which book this is? There’s so many they all kinda blend together in my brain, and I’d like to read one as a palate cleanser after all these Horus Heresies. Moose-Alini fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Moose-Alini posted:Do you remember which book this is? There’s so many they all kinda blend together in my brain, and I’d like to read one as a pallet cleanser after all these Horus Heresies. The Traitor's hand he casually drops it in a briefing: The Traitor's Hand posted:‘Sounds like a Khornate cult,’ I whispered to Kasteen and Broklaw, who looked a little puzzled, before remembering they hadn’t encountered any minions of the Ruinous Powers yet and I was probably the only one in the room with much idea of the divisions within the ranks of the Great Enemy. That was some degree of comfort, anyway. In my experience they were the easiest type of renegade to deal with, having little ambition beyond getting into combat as quickly as possible and killing as many of our people as they could before being cut down themselves. That made them particularly susceptible to ambushes and flanking attacks, which would work to our advantage, particularly if we could stick the Kastaforeans out in front as bait. Cain forgets not everyone is fighting the worst creatures in the universe on the regular and banging an Inquisitor. I still hope they release him as a model for 40k tabletop with his propaganda stats.
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SerCypher posted:Cain rules. Isn't is also that Cain is continually in the presence of an especially powerful blank?
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von Metternich posted:I think technically his last words, that we know about, are in that short story where he becomes a Vengance shadow demon and fucks up lorgar. But yeah, it’s pretty stupid Miguel Prado posted:What short story is this? And I would love for Corax to come back all warped up but loyal and Guilliman trying to make it work I forget the name of the story but I think Guilmon could cook up a suit of armor to contain the Raven demon thing. Also, I like to think Lorgar begged Corax to gently caress off and stop loving everything up, and he just replies, "Never. More!" Arcsquad12 posted:I love how chaos is presented in Anarch. Traitor General showed what life was like under Chaos occupation but Anarch really dives into how a culture actually perceives chaos and how it affects their daily lives. Hammer of Daemons i think is the name, it's by Ben Counter, felt like that specific Chaos world they were on was ANCAP/Libertarian to heck. And when the society starts to eat itself alive, even more than usual, the Gods just laugh.
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Bucnasti posted:Isn't is also that Cain is continually in the presence of an especially powerful blank?
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Galvanik posted:I don't know about the especially powerful part, but his aide de camp Jurgen is a blank. The only thing about Jurgen expressely stated as powerful is his body odour.
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Bucnasti posted:Isn't is also that Cain is continually in the presence of an especially powerful blank? Jurgen is around a lot, but Cain also gets into all sorts of shenanigans with the warp constantly. Sometimes Jurgen isn't there, sometimes he is. I love how normal the Imperium is in his memoirs. My pet theory is that Cains Imperium is the real Imperium, and most books are written as historical fiction with future Humanity looking back at the dark ages of the 42nd Millenium. Some of the novels are grimdark to the point of satire, and Cain's view is a good counterpoint. The simple pleasures of getting to a meeting early so you get the good food, and of watching the Adeptus Sororitas exercise. Cain is also one of the only characters with an actual sex drive that's not portrayed as a great moral failing that will lead him to Chaos.
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Yeah but remember Cain is in a position of extreme privilege in the Imperium. His lifestyle seeming ‘normal’ puts him in the top 0.0(like a thousand 0s)1%.
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Moose-Alini posted:Yeah but remember Cain is in a position of extreme privilege in the Imperium. His lifestyle seeming ‘normal’ puts him in the top 0.0(like a thousand 0s)1%. Oh of course, it is an interesting perspective though. Space Marines are so far beyond normal mortal pleasures and concerns that they wouldn't even notice most of the things Cain enjoys. Inquisitors (besides Amerberly it seems) are usually so razor focused on their work and power that they have a weird view. A lot of other Guard Regiment books are just thrust from one war to the next so it's all death and killing and suffering. Cain is high enough that he sees lots of the Imperium, but low enough that a nice drink or a good meal is a positive for him. He's also human and has a human perspective, and since he worries more about himself instead of the fate of the Imperium and the God Emperor he can enjoy time off and drink booze and chase women. He also has such a reputation that 95% of the time he can just sit in the command center and drink tea while the battle goes on, and maybe 5% of the time he has to instead go kill demons or necrons or whatever.
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Guardsmen at Helsreach: drat Orks took my face, that made it personal. Same guardsman is comforted by a female trooper, they kiss. Black Templar, Grimaldus: Madness.
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The one thing that never ever got touched on again after the Iron Snakes books was that space marine blood acts as some sort of weird longevity and anti-radiation drug when given to humans.
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Telsa Cola posted:The one thing that never ever got touched on again after the Iron Snakes books was that space marine blood acts as some sort of weird longevity and anti-radation drug when given to humans. Good luck getting anywhere near a Space Marine to ask. And I'll say a prayer right now for you if you actually do. e; I guess a Salamander might give it a thought and not outright turn you into fine mist and chunked meats.
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What about Space Marine cum?
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Biplane posted:What about Space Marine cum? Sadly Male Compensation Theory makes it clear that Space Marines have absolutely no penis.
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Telsa Cola posted:The one thing that never ever got touched on again after the Iron Snakes books was that space marine blood acts as some sort of weird longevity and anti-radiation drug when given to humans. Haha that's amazing. Is that where Juve-nat treatments come from?
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Kaal posted:Sadly Male Compensation Theory makes it clear that Space Marines have absolutely no penis. The main character in Emperor’s Gift has a huge dick, as per the shower scene.
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Syncopated posted:The main character in Emperor’s Gift has a huge dick, as per the shower scene. I want to receive the emperor's gift.
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SerCypher posted:Haha that's amazing. Is that where Juve-nat treatments come from? There’s a ton of different juvenat treatments, that’s probably one of them. One baseline human character in Belisarius Cawl: the Great Work lived >1,000 years using all sorts of different treatments. One of which was basically the plot of The Dark Crystal: extracting life essence from a peaceful xenos species until they went extinct. Syncopated posted:The main character in Emperor’s Gift has a huge dick, as per the shower scene. TBH it still kinda irks me that the main character could snap Angron’s Black Blade, but couldn’t just psychically crush Logan Grimnar. The dude’s tiny in comparison! I know he’s got plot armor/willpower/speed, but still... c’mon. At least say he’s got a psi-nullifying artifact or something.
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SerCypher posted:Haha that's amazing. Is that where Juve-nat treatments come from? I thinnnnk Juve-nat is from a plant though I think im mixing my scifi settings up. There are (were) at least a couple different treatments, one of which used to be the ground up remains of a now dead alien species that was an Imperial protecterate for a time.
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Telsa Cola posted:I thinnnnk Juve-nat is from a plant though I think im mixing my scifi settings up. There are (were) at least a couple different treatments, one of which used to be the ground up remains of a now dead alien species that was an Imperial protecterate for a time. We literally juiced them all into extinction. And that's just one form of rejuvenation, a very potent one but no longer in production. If you do find a dose or something, it'll rival an unopened Crystal Pepsi or Ecto cooler. Precious bodily fluids. e; The most effective treatment available is basically stem cell therapy(s). The imperium just juices human babies now.
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MariusLecter posted:Guardsmen at Helsreach: drat Orks took my face, that made it personal. I thought it was Bayard that was going on about how he didn't understand humans. Maybe it was both of them, been a minute since I read the book.
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MariusLecter posted:We literally juiced them all into extinction. I know I brought it up but can you please stop talking about Space Marine cum.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I thought it was Bayard that was going on about how he didn't understand humans. Maybe it was both of them, been a minute since I read the book. Bayard is dismissive and condescending of the humans at Helsreach, Grimaldus tells him to stop being such an rear end in a top hat and have some humility. Grimaldus has humility and respect, just doesn't understand the human condition and all.
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