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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't think the text really answers the "what is the source of Mat's luck" thing. There's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it scene at the start of book 2 (right before Suian shows up) where Mat's dicing with Sheinaran soldiers and "can hardly touch the dice without winning". That's after he finds the dagger, but well before he's properly healed.
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CainsDescendant posted:Honestly with how much time we spend in the characters heads, it might be better to just lean into it and go full Legion with psychedelic dance numbers in the mindscape. I may be alone in this, but I feel like the worst thing they could do with this show would be to tone down the weird taveren and magic stuff. eke out posted:rand battles ishmael in the sky over falme: I agree with all of this. Negahban would make a great Ish: I can already see him with bottomless caverns of flame for eyes/mouth. They need to get Joey Batey to be Asmodean though because it would be hilarious to have someone typecasted as "only-plays-bards-in-fantasy-shows". And while I would love for someone else to use Legion's treatment of invisible mind magic duels as inspiration, I also think it's really unlikely we'll get that. I assume it's going to be closer to Star Wars force powers, with gestures accompanying effects and no other visible signs of power, at least until they want to blow some CGI budget to show a channeler's perspective. It would be great if they lean really hard into the mysticism aspects of Aes Sedai channeling with gestures and foci and poo poo so that they can just show rather than spend a bunch of time telling how wild it is that Rand and others can just intuitively savant poo poo into happening without any training, theoretical knowledge of separate weaves/powers, or performative crutches. ConfusedUs posted:Recurring sound effect that cues when something interesting is about to happen. A little leitmotif. It's not something you'd play constantly, but instead cue it up at the relevant moments. I also think it would be appropriate to use visual ambiance as well as audio/musical cues for channeling happening, and they could totally pick different ones of decreasing subtlety for Saidin, Saidar, and the true power. Would make for some nice easter egg-ish stuff for people familiar with the books to pick up on - like the Bela scene in Book 1 and the other times Rand "accidentally" channels. aparmenideanmonad fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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aparmenideanmonad posted:
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Saidin - ff7 battle win fanfare Saidar - price is right fail horn True power - fart sounds
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aparmenideanmonad posted:And while I would love for someone else to use Legion's treatment of invisible mind magic duels as inspiration, I also think it's really unlikely we'll get that. I assume it's going to be closer to Star Wars force powers, with gestures accompanying effects and no other visible signs of power, at least until they want to blow some CGI budget to show a channeler's perspective. I've already made peace with the fact that whatever they do for channeling is never going to be as cool as what I imagine from reading, but I'm still holding out hope that it's gonna be at the least a fresh take. I might be overly optimistic.
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bloom posted:Saidin - ff7 battle win fanfare In season 2, bloom will be a CainsDescendant posted:I've already made peace with the fact that whatever they do for channeling is never going to be as cool as what I imagine from reading, but I'm still holding out hope that it's gonna be at the least a fresh take. I might be overly optimistic. Right there with you minus the optimism.
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Are there Trolloc farmers? I swear there's a passage where Blight trollocs are carrying bread rations.
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mossyfisk posted:Are there Trolloc farmers? I swear there's a passage where Blight trollocs are carrying bread rations. There are cities in the Blight, because of course there are cities in the Blight. They're populated with Shadowsworn, Dreadlords, captured slaves, but probably* not trollocs. With the existence of cities implies the existence of some level of farming that supports them, though it's anyone's guess as to how those work in the Blight. IIRC Graendal (or someone) visiting Moridin in one of his Blight strongholds saw farmers off in the distance. Anyway yeah, there's too much going on in the Blight for there to not be a whole civilization and infrastructure to support them. Maybe the Blight that everyone from the Borderlands sees is just a no man's land border of poison, death, and ruin, and the interior bits that nobody but the Shadow has access to are barely more habitable. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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I hope they have Aes Sedai running around doing full “lightning bolt! Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt!” a la: https://youtu.be/j_ekugPKqFw Whereas the Forsaken or Damane cause 10x more damage without lifting a finger.
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Speaking of, it would actually be kind of funny if the visual cues they adopt make it pretty apparent to viewers that sul'dams are also channelling.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Whereas the Forsaken or Damane cause 10x more damage without lifting a finger. Yeah, that the different channelling groups approach somatic gestures for their weaving differently is really neat and it's one of the minor details I suspect they'll not bother with but super hope they do.
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I'm imagining a lot of arm waving and ball throwing motions.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:There are cities in the Blight, because of course there are cities in the Blight. They're populated with Shadowsworn, Dreadlords, captured slaves, but probably* not trollocs. With the existence of cities implies the existence of some level of farming that supports them, though it's anyone's guess as to how those work in the Blight. IIRC Graendal (or someone) visiting Moridin in one of his Blight strongholds saw farmers off in the distance. I would assume it's like Mordor (lol it IS Mordor) where the borders are an inhospitable hellhole but the interior is fertile. Mordor, after all, had vast farmlands in its interior, because those orc armies need to be fed somehow.
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Mad Hamish posted:I would assume it's like Mordor (lol it IS Mordor) where the borders are an inhospitable hellhole but the interior is fertile. Mordor, after all, had vast farmlands in its interior, because those orc armies need to be fed somehow. The Blight is a hellscape but it seems to be incredibly fertile and rich in plant life.
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Mad Hamish posted:I would assume it's like Mordor (lol it IS Mordor) where the borders are an inhospitable hellhole but the interior is fertile. Mordor, after all, had vast farmlands in its interior, because those orc armies need to be fed somehow. I mean, Mountains of Dhoom? The Pit of Doom?
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I'm imagining a lot of arm waving and ball throwing motions. And much less pronounced for the Forsaken, wasn't Semirhage described as flicking her hand when she burnt off Rand's arm?
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Zore posted:The Blight is a hellscape but it seems to be incredibly fertile and rich in plant life. Yeah in EotW there's lots of growth, it's just corrupted. And whichever book has the scene set in the village at the foot of Shayol Ghul shows that there are people who live there and some semblance of society. So presumably they can either grow or import enough food to sustain at least a couple of those, plus Trolloc camps, etc. Maybe Shadow friends and spawn can eat what grows there, just with very unpleasant side effects.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:And much less pronounced for the Forsaken, wasn't Semirhage described as flicking her hand when she burnt off Rand's arm? I'm pretty sure the text goes out of its way to say nobody moves a muscle normally when channeling. It'll all come down to that one duel in the museum where it's FLYING FIREBALLS AND STREAMERS AND EXPLOSIONS AND LOUD BOOMING NOISES AND SHRIEKING AND FLAMES AND *cut to janitor walking by, sees two women silently standing three feet apart with gritted teeth staring daggers at one another with soft muzak playing; then cut back to* SHRIEKING AND FIRE AND WATERFALLS AND SPECTRAL VOLCANOES AND RIBBONS OF POWER TEARING EACH OTHER APART
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Don't remember any description of fireballs or volcanoes, just a contest of strength/will. More like arm wrestling vs a totally jacked dude only to realize that you're actually pretty strong too, doesn't look like much from the outside but there's a lot actually happening. I realize that's not a great metaphor, but it's the first one that came to mind.
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Data Graham posted:I'm pretty sure the text goes out of its way to say nobody moves a muscle normally when channeling. I mean this depends heavily. Moiraine is depicted as using a lot of gestures early on, using her staff as a focus and waving it over everyone etc. I think they explicitly call out Damane as not moving when they channel and the Sul'Dam beating a lot of their habits out of them, but almost every other group that does channel uses at least some gesture.
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There's mention early on that the gestures learned are so ingrained that they fall into the same category as "you can't learn more than one weave for the same task". Specifically, none of the Aes Sedai can make a fireball without a throwing motion, although Damane and (IIRC) wise ones have no such limit.
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Inspector 34 posted:Don't remember any description of fireballs or volcanoes, just a contest of strength/will. More like arm wrestling vs a totally jacked dude only to realize that you're actually pretty strong too, doesn't look like much from the outside but there's a lot actually happening. I mean, yes, that's what's happening, but both descriptions are correct. There's tons of text description about these battles of wills that's about how they're firing so many weaves off at each other, cutting them, blocking them, etc.
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Yeah I guess that's true for the series overall, I just don't remember that particular fight going down that way. Maybe I should reread it. I remember it being much simpler, just two wills trying to dominate each other through sheer strength rather than a bunch of mental jousting with fancy weaves.
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I think he was exaggerating for comic effect, y'all
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Data Graham posted:I'm pretty sure the text goes out of its way to say nobody moves a muscle normally when channeling. IIRC, most of the face-to-face duels end up that way, actually, with shields and holding them off being the primary focus
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Re: Mat's dice It's like none of y'all have seen Jumanji.
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Jfc folks its a joke
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Mat Cauthon posted:Yeah in EotW there's lots of growth, it's just corrupted. And whichever book has the scene set in the village at the foot of Shayol Ghul shows that there are people who live there and some semblance of society. So presumably they can either grow or import enough food to sustain at least a couple of those, plus Trolloc camps, etc. They also had that town that Luc went to and talked about growing up in. He was talking about how there were other orphans and regular humans there so there must be food and some infrastructure.
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seaborgium posted:They also had that town that Luc went to and talked about growing up in. He was talking about how there were other orphans and regular humans there so there must be food and some infrastructure. Very pedantically, Luc didn't go to the Blight until he was an adult. It was Isam who grew up in the Blight.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Very pedantically, Luc didn't go to the Blight until he was an adult. It was Isam who grew up in the Blight. SHHHHHH
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It's been years since I made the attempt but I'm gonna get through this series now that all the books are written. Last made the attempt years ago after reading them as a teen and sputtered out on book 10 I'm most of the way through Great Hunt and I'm shocked at how much is actually happening that I thought came later - Seanchan are here! Thom's alive! War of succession begins! Whitecloak false flags! Lanfear's bad disguises! Black Ajah!
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Lotta poo poo happens in those first 7ish books that’s probably why most people really hate when it grinds to a halt around 9.
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seaborgium posted:They also had that town that Luc went to and talked about growing up in. He was talking about how there were other orphans and regular humans there so there must be food and some infrastructure. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that they were working on breeding crops that were resistant to the Blight? I feel like that came up then.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that they were working on breeding crops that were resistant to the Blight? I feel like that came up then. Sanderson has Moridin’s servants experimenting to see which crops will grow in the blight in TGS.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that they were working on breeding crops that were resistant to the Blight? I feel like that came up then. I think that was lowercase b blight, as in a catchall term for plants rotting on the vine
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So since we focus on a specific timeline in the books does that make it more significant than the other parallel ones they see throughout? It’s always kinda alluded to that those are real worlds they visit.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Sanderson has Moridin’s servants experimenting to see which crops will grow in the blight in TGS. Why would Moridin of all people have his servants doing that, considering his main goal?
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bloom posted:Why would Moridin of all people have his servants doing that, considering his main goal? He's not going to just tell his servants' servants to stop growing crops, that would look suspicious to the people who aren't in on his oblivion plan.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:He's not going to just tell his servants' servants to stop growing crops, that would look suspicious to the people who aren't in on his oblivion plan. I was thinking that he doesn't quite seem like the sort to micromanage the low level people, but then again he is the forsaken who's been running darkfriends for thousands of years so maybe my impression is wrong.
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He’d put someone grossly unqualified and incompetent in charge of that department and slowly starve it of funding.
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