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He has to write his entire plot in one book. Which as far as I can tell is supposed to be about hubris but we haven't done a very good job of setting that up. He basically cusses out the Mayor's wife who is his own aunt and gets a defraud the Mayor card free forever. He attacks Snape and gets promoted. It's hilarious.
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Malpais Legate posted:How does he even finish this? He's had that many words and still nothing relating to the supposed "main plot" even gets covered. 600+ pages of Sanderson avalanche-grade story compression.
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Aug 27, 2020 23:38
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easy, you just eventually write another bad book but start claiming the 'kingkill chronicles' are a decalogy
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Aug 27, 2020 23:50
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"The Wheel of Time also started out as a trilogy."
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Aug 28, 2020 00:14
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"oh you misunderstood, i said thrillogy, because i am your thrilling writerly boyfriend" beard visibly rustling on its own
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Aug 28, 2020 00:18
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He's already accounted for this. He said some time ago that the first three books are just the PROLOGUE to the actual series. So it sounds like he'll just do the rest of his legend in the next book somehow and then books 4-6 will be the modern-day nonsense. Or something.
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Aug 28, 2020 05:50
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lot of people talking like another book's actually gonna come out all of a sudden
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Patware posted:lot of people talking like another book's actually gonna come out all of a sudden I’m betting on in 3 to 6 years if it comes out at all.
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Aug 28, 2020 17:13
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I honestly don't think he's got another book in him. I think he wrote a bunch in college, turned all of that in, and is now totally out of ideas.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:34
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Solice Kirsk posted:I honestly don't think he's got another book in him. I think he wrote a bunch in college, turned all of that in, and is now totally out of ideas. He has a misbegotten reputation as a good writer and a prose artist that he absolutely cannot live up to, and he'd prefer to coast on that than show the world his real lack of talent. Plus he's still treated like he's a writer and has enough money and gets to aggressively leverage his fame to try to gently caress his young female fans. What incentive does he have to write another book? If you sit down to play poker and through happenstance or just getting amazing draws win a bunch of money, and get a reputation as poker shark I can absolutely see not wanting to actually play poker again because people will see that you actually aren't good at all. Especially if you get invited onto... ESPN I guess it is? To talk about poker and give your opinions on it.
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Aug 28, 2020 19:15
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Also, probably safe to assume that he hasn't been dropped by his publisher for the same reason GRRM hasn't: there's always the chance he might write another book, and they know that even if it's the worst thing since the Eye of Argon, it'll still sell like hotcakes thanks to people pre-ordering and grabbing it on launch day in droves. If it turns out to be dogshit, though, the next one won't. Which leaves him positioned as a known prima donna and massive procrastinator whose years-overdue last book was a disaster. Good luck ever getting another contract. He probably figures the safest thing he can possibly do is tread water forever, and he's not wrong.
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Aug 28, 2020 19:53
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:He has to write his entire plot in one book. there was that time that whats his face tricked kvothe into entering the library with a lit candle, but only because he was drugged and had been physically beaten betsy, you loving rear end in a top hat how dare you suggest kvothe was uncharacteristically stupid here
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Aug 28, 2020 23:57
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i just assume that every time the story goes out of its way to explain why kvothe didn't do the logical thing, it's because his editor pointed out that kvothe wasn't doing a logical thing
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pseudanonymous posted:He has a misbegotten reputation as a good writer and a prose artist that he absolutely cannot live up to, and he'd prefer to coast on that than show the world his real lack of talent. Plus he's still treated like he's a writer and has enough money and gets to aggressively leverage his fame to try to gently caress his young female fans. What incentive does he have to write another book? See I'm not sure he actually realizes that he's not as good as his reputation suggests. This is the guy going around writing crap like the Slow Regard of Silent Things with the preface that you're just too stupid to understand Auri's Deep Rape Trauma story. I imagine that he feels pressure and thus his headlong flight from any fan who doesn't uncritically praise the Cheerios boxes, but last I was on the Rothfuss FB fan pages the entire comment section was "stop posting this stupid faux-eccentric poo poo and finish the loving book." That being said a smart man would say something after his editor called him out. Raiad posted:i just assume that every time the story goes out of its way to explain why kvothe didn't do the logical thing, it's because his editor pointed out that kvothe wasn't doing a logical thing This part is absolutely hilarious because the scene with the aunt is played to explain why Kvothe doesn't get the Maer's help looking for the Amyr, except that if Kvothe had put two and two together he could have pointed out the Chandrian killed her sister and we could have seen that Kvothe is intelligent and actually moved the plot forward. Unfortunately Kvothe is only clever when it comes to manipulating people and cheating on tests, which is hilarious because our objective frame story goes out of its way to show how smart Kvothe is by having him tear apart Chronicler's cipher in about five minutes. But we got sex fairy instead.
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Aug 29, 2020 19:12
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Someone linked this gem below one of r/KingkillerChronicle's stickied posts.
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Aug 29, 2020 20:22
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Imagine not deleting that post out of pure shame I mean immediately, not after 2018
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Aug 30, 2020 02:47
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:See I'm not sure he actually realizes that he's not as good as his reputation suggests. This is the guy going around writing crap like the Slow Regard of Silent Things with the preface that you're just too stupid to understand Auri's Deep Rape Trauma story. I imagine that he feels pressure and thus his headlong flight from any fan who doesn't uncritically praise the Cheerios boxes, but last I was on the Rothfuss FB fan pages the entire comment section was "stop posting this stupid faux-eccentric poo poo and finish the loving book." I think he's kind of like Trump in some ways. He knows he doesn't "have the best words" on some level, but he refuses to ever admit it, even to himself. But deep down he knows, and in some ways that is an actual tragedy.
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so why do people think Rothfuss isn't actually as good as he's known for? did someone else come up for the ideas in the first two books, like a D&D campaign someone else wrote or something? or did he have a really aggressive underappreciated editor? what is it?
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The Name of the Wind was a pretty good first entry for the genre despite its many flaws. The Wise Man’s Fear was more or less a regression, it highlighted all of the flaws of the first book with few to none of the redeeming qualities. If his second entry had shown improvement rather than decline we would be having a very different discussion.
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Its Chocolate posted:so why do people think Rothfuss isn't actually as good as he's known for? did someone else come up for the ideas in the first two books, like a D&D campaign someone else wrote or something? or did he have a really aggressive underappreciated editor? what is it? There is no shortage to people exhaustively explaining the problems with the books. Just from recent memory the writing about music is so wildly bad its like a blind man pretending he has a mastery of the color palette. There are literally no female characters with agency in the book, they all exist simply to show how great Kvothe is through wordplay or charming charisma. Neither of these two things are that notorious; it's Rothfuss' personal crusade to declare how much of a feminist he is and how great he is at writing perfect, faultless prose that engenders a lot of the criticism. Then there's the story of his other projects, including Slow Regard which is apparently a novel sized metaphor about rape starring a manic pixie dream girl with purple prose so bad you'd expect to be reading it on a fanfiction website. Here's someone from the last thread explaining BananaNutkins posted:At a convention, I met Kvothfuss and heard him speak. He mentioned that he has "literally" hundreds of beta readers, but he had a rule for offering feedback, and the rule is thus: Don't offer advice on the sentence or paragraph level. That's his wheelhouse. He's spent "literally" hundreds of hours pouring over every line so the read goes smoothly "like water rushing over river stones". Speaking of blog articles https://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/02/concerning-hobbits-love-and-movie-adaptations/ quote:You know that it’s going to be like? It’s going to be like wandering onto an internet porn site and seeing a video of a girl I had a crush on in high school. You probably knew someone like her. The smart girl. The shy girl. The one who wore glasses and was a little socially awkward. The one who screwed up the curve in chemistry so you got an A- instead of an A. In summary there are endless examples in both the novels he's written and all the countless other outlets for his weird brand of creative writing that he is not a good writer and is more obsessed with his image as a good writer then actually putting in work. pentyne fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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pentyne posted:There is no shortage to people exhaustively explaining the problems with the books. Just from recent memory the writing about music is so wildly bad its like a blind man pretending he has a mastery of the color palette. what I meant was more, how are people going to feel defrauded by the last book if he's always been the same? if they read the first two and liked them in spite of the problems why would they turn on him now?
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Mostly by the fact there's never going to be a third book. But also even ardent fans of NotW are decidedly less enthused about WMF. Which is nominally mitigated by the fact it's the middle book of an alleged trilogy so the third book was supposed to be the swelling finale.
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Its Chocolate posted:what I meant was more, how are people going to feel defrauded by the last book if he's always been the same? if they read the first two and liked them in spite of the problems why would they turn on him now? As far as I can tell: A lot of Rothfuss's readers connect with his PR image rather than anything he's actually written. They don't care about Kvothe's adventures because they substitute a parasocial relationship with him instead. When browing fanspaces for Rothfuss I fins a lot of chatter about the man himself and very little about the characters or adventures. Being a Rothfuss fan is a very ego driven thing in the sense that many fans tie their identity to being Rothfuss fans. Not Kvothe fans, not NOTW fans, but Rothfuss fans. So if the fans turn on Rothfuss its because the facade has finally crashed down and their own sense of self has been attacked. They shrugged off the criticism of his writing because his prose and style never mattered. But if its really confirmed that Rothfuss is mismanaging his charity, and that he hasn't been writing, and that he deceived his editor and his fans, and that he's an egotistical jerk that wants to live the high life of nerddom without actually producing anything, well.... Your identity as "a fan of the incredible author Patrick Rothfuss" crumbles. They don't feel defrauded by the third book because there was never going to be a third book. They feel defrauded because Rothfart lied and conned them.
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I'm one of those weirdos that like WMF more than NotW. Now, I'm not saying it was a better book, just that the parts I liked about it I liked more than the parts I liked about the first book. I liked the whole bandits thing, I liked the in world short stories more, I liked the grumpy tree, and I liked the teaser towards the end hinting that Kvothe straight up changed his name name to be Kote and not just going under a pseudonym. I also like Bast and he's in it more. That said, neither book is the be all end all of fantasy story telling or anything. I don't feel like I wasted my time reading them, but I also don't go out of my way to recommend them to people either.
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Its Chocolate posted:what I meant was more, how are people going to feel defrauded by the last book if he's always been the same? if they read the first two and liked them in spite of the problems why would they turn on him now? Because they've had 10 years+ for their tastes to evolve. What worked for you as a kid/young adult may not work for you as an older adult. Because its been billed as a trilogy since the beginning and none of the plot threads are close to resolution, so the 3rd book will either NOT be the end or it will be so crammed with exposition to wrap things up that it will be rushed - significantly different from the first two books they enjoyed.
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I'll take a rushed book if the Chandran are in it and the king is finally introduced and killed. Bonus points for killing the angel and kidnapping a princess from a burrow king, but I'm sure he's forgot about those.
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"The middle name of the trafficked little girl he rescued was Princess, and the real last name of the fake Ruh was Barrowking (a common Vintian and distinctly non-Ruh name), so you see, technically,"
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"The middle name of the trafficked little girl he rescued was Princess, and the real last name of the fake Ruh was Barrowking (a common Vintian and distinctly non-Ruh name), so you see, technically," Wheelbarrows were invented by a Vintian named Barrowking which is why they are called wheelbarrows.
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pentyne posted:
lol at this loving simile. You know what water rushing over river stones is? loving rapids.
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Sep 2, 2020 02:53
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Karia posted:
He only got so far as "river stones are smooth".
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Sep 2, 2020 03:01
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Deadly as a sharp stone beneath swift water!
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Sep 2, 2020 03:04
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A prankster with a wheelbarrow dropped a sharp stone into the rapids. Kvothe ran his boat, the Angel, into it.
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there's no such thing as angels. you imbecile. you loving moron. i slew a perfectly ordinary glowing winged humanoid divine messenger, the common anglus
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All the fans see themselves as Kvothe in their head when in reality they are the scribe, a bumbling clueless fan so excited to see their hero they believe everything they are told.
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Sep 2, 2020 03:26
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Atlas Hugged posted:A prankster with a wheelbarrow dropped a sharp stone into the rapids. Kvothe ran his boat, the Angel, into it. and this is all brushed past as unimportant because we can't have exciting boat journeys in the main narrative. also he gets "metroided" in the process again.
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Tree Dude posted:and this is all brushed past as unimportant because we can't have exciting boat journeys in the main narrative. also he gets "metroided" in the process again. But that just leaves more time for Kvothe's latest sexual adventure: Kvothe and the daughter of the Halfling Vicar
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"But the trial was so impressive and made you a living famous guy!" "  Nice try poo poo bag, there were pirates and hurricanes in there too, but that's not what's important. What's importnant was that I had two jots and six pence to my name and, bro, you should have seen Denna...."
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I think I could enjoy a wish fulfillment not-ninja fantasy book with a smugly perfect sex god protagonist if the author leaned into it a little more. But Rothfuss is all spin and projection. He's more of a grabass politician than a writer.
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pirates and ship wrecks and trials aren't important, but let me go on at length about this time i hosed a fairy for like a century
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Raiad posted:pirates and ship wrecks and trials aren't important, but let me go on at length about this time i hosed a fairy for like a century A more interesting writer might let him get it on with the fairy and be sent off with compliments, only to return to the world literally a century later, friendless and forgotten. Fae time is a funny thing.
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