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VanSandman posted:Gav Thorpe, buddy, friend - The First Wall is a mess. I'd have dropped it if I didn't get it for free through Audible. I'm annoyed I have to read it before Saturnine. The First Wall is simply a bad book. Unless you're a completionist there's no reason to read/listen to it whatsoever. The main plot point (spaceport falls) is something that's been in the lore since forever (which is also why it's not worth using spoiler tags for it). The Keeler section is boring and entirely predictable, while the Imperial Army segment is just useless (you can read the spoiler if you want to save yourself the trouble of reading it). The army group that we follow are revealed to be traitors by the end. That's their whole thing - a third of the book wasted for a one paragraph reveal. Overall, I'd call First Wall one of the worst Heresy books, down there with Nemesis or Battle for the Abyss. For me it might even be the worst Heresy book, I don't remember being so pissed off about wasting my time after reading any other book in the series. I do have some good news, Saturnine is much, much better, as you'd expect from Abnett. Just skip to it and stick to at most a summary of First Wall.
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Anomandaris posted:The First Wall is simply a bad book. Unless you're a completionist there's no reason to read/listen to it whatsoever. The main plot point (spaceport falls) is something that's been in the lore since forever (which is also why it's not worth using spoiler tags for it). The Keeler section is boring and entirely predictable, while the Imperial Army segment is just useless (you can read the spoiler if you want to save yourself the trouble of reading it). The army group that we follow are revealed to be traitors by the end. That's their whole thing - a third of the book wasted for a one paragraph reveal. Overall, I'd call First Wall one of the worst Heresy books, down there with Nemesis or Battle for the Abyss. For me it might even be the worst Heresy book, I don't remember being so pissed off about wasting my time after reading any other book in the series. Oh my god that's dumb. I've been slogging through it because I wanted all of the siege in audiobook form. Gav goes deep into order of battle descriptions and tactical minutiae, which might have moved books back when the best they had were the Ultramarines novels but doesn't really get into the grit and weirdness that gets me into 40k.
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D-Pad posted:I'll post the rest of my collection when I get home in a couple of days. Nobody I know in real life gives an iota of a gently caress about warhams so I need validation. I have a bunch of LEs and my Sabbat Worlds Crusade is signed by Abnett! Ok, just finished moving and got my full collection up along with the Lupercal bookends:  Everything 40k in the pic are limited edition except for Liber Chaotica, two art books, Rites of Passage, and Sabbat Worlds. Rites of Passage and Sabbat Worlds are signed, however. All my normal 40k books are packed up until I get a bigger bookshelf. All the non-40k books you see are signed except for the two Mao's Little Red Books. I feel like I should count the signed Kissinger as a 40k, he'd fit right in in the Imperium. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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D-Pad posted:Ok, just finished moving and got my full collection up along with the Lupercal bookends: Signed Blindsight and Echopraxia is awesome. I was eyeballing those for my home office, but God knows they're out of my price range. Very cool collection.
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thocan posted:Signed Blindsight and Echopraxia is awesome. I was eyeballing those for my home office, but God knows they're out of my price range. Very cool collection. Blindsight is my hands down favorite science fiction novel. The Centipede Press editions I have are beautiful with some great artwork.
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Anomandaris posted:The First Wall is simply a bad book. Unless you're a completionist there's no reason to read/listen to it whatsoever. The main plot point (spaceport falls) is something that's been in the lore since forever (which is also why it's not worth using spoiler tags for it). The Keeler section is boring and entirely predictable, while the Imperial Army segment is just useless (you can read the spoiler if you want to save yourself the trouble of reading it). The army group that we follow are revealed to be traitors by the end. That's their whole thing - a third of the book wasted for a one paragraph reveal. Overall, I'd call First Wall one of the worst Heresy books, down there with Nemesis or Battle for the Abyss. For me it might even be the worst Heresy book, I don't remember being so pissed off about wasting my time after reading any other book in the series. I thought it was fine, personally. A bit boring but it wasn't painful to read or anything like much of the older BL stuff can be. Although there's not much connecting it to Saturnine other than the space port falling so it's definitely skippable.
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Any good suggestions for Age of Sigmar books? Trying to navigate the black library website is... not good!
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ColdIronsBound posted:Any good suggestions for Age of Sigmar books? Trying to navigate the black library website is... not good! No idea, but here's a comprehensive list (IIRC) of Warhammer Fantasy novels: https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Novels_and_Short_Stories And the 40k list: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Novels e: AHA and here's Sigmar: https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Warhammer:_Age_of_Sigmar_books#Black_Library
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ColdIronsBound posted:Any good suggestions for Age of Sigmar books? Trying to navigate the black library website is... not good! Spear of Shadows by Josh Reynolds is pretty good. The Inferno! series has both AOS and 40k tales but are good books on the whole. Hamilcar: Champion of the Gods and Korgos Khul: The Red Feast were okay. On the horror side was all good and included Dark Harvest and then the Invocations/Maledictions anthologies. Court of the Blind King - kinda mediocre.
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Spear of Shadows and Hamilcar are two of the best AoS books I've read so far. The latter is almost fantasy Ciaphas Cain with how the tone is overly humorous throughout. Another good one is Scourge of Fate which does a great look into Chaos court politics.
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A few BL books are on sale for £1.99 on amazon if you want to try the ebook versions of them. I'll list them all instead of linking because phone posting. The Founding, The Lost, The Victory by Dan Abnett Magos Forges of Mars Magnus the Red, master of prosper by Graham Mcneill Space wolf omnibus by William King Spear of the emperor by ADB Leman Russ, the great wolf Valdor Birth of the imperium by Chris Wright Honourbound by Rachel Harrison
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KramFoot posted:A few BL books are on sale for £1.99 on amazon if you want to try the ebook versions of them. I'll list them all instead of linking because phone posting. The Abnett and ADB stuff in this list are obviously excellent but also check out Valdor by Chris Wright, which is really good and as of yet (IIRC) the only full novel set during Unification.
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I know this thread is mostly focused on the 40k side of fiction, but are there any Warhammer Chronicle omnibuses that should definitely be read, or are great reads? I've currently read the following; - Gotrek and Felix V1 - Witch Hunter - The Empire (Not Heroes or Knights, just called purely The Empire) - Elves Omnibus On my list to buy are; - Gotrek and Felix V2 - Heroes of the Empire - Tyrion and Teclis - The Blackhearts (Omnibus is on Abebooks atm) I'm pretty sure I don't want to read Warriors of the Chaos Wastes, I'm interested in story and character, and I'm afraid those omnibuses may just be pure combat porn-esque. I'm interested in more in the character/world setting side of things. I also would like to get the Dwarf Omnibus and Vampire Wars (Stone and Steel, I think?), but unfortunately neither are available for cheap anymore.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Reading/skimming more 1st edition 40k and It makes me feel like such a grognard to maintain this but: the setting was better when every loving corner of it didn't have to be lit with the undifferentiated searchlight that is merchandising. Like: Bloodlines is a perfect example, one of the appeals of 40k (for me, at least) was that it's "Middle Ages HRE IIINNNN SPAAACCEE": superstition and low-information should be the default assumption and Bloodlines is so great because it leverages this so well. "Genestealers aren't real" and so forth I hope he's not a GSC  .E: I also really can't wait until my library has the audiobook of Paradise Lost available. It's a really long waitlist. Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I know this thread is mostly focused on the 40k side of fiction, but are there any Warhammer Chronicle omnibuses that should definitely be read, or are great reads? I've currently read the following; I don't think I've read any other Warhammer Fantasy books that I can compare them to (at least not that I can recall), but I picked up the Vampire Genevieve Omnibus, by Jack Yeovil, on the strength of Jack Yeovil being a pen name for Kim Newman, whose Anno Dracula and Diogenes Club books I've really enjoyed. The novels collected in the Genevieve Omnibus were pretty good, and it seems like the new and used paperback of the omnibus is relatively easy to track down.
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Schadenboner posted:It makes me feel like such a grognard to maintain this but: the setting was better when every loving corner of it didn't have to be lit with the undifferentiated searchlight that is merchandising. I enjoy the huge amounts of information we get access to so I disagree with you, but on the other hand it's fantastic when the characters in the setting don't have the same information. There was a fantastic sequence in the second Ultramarines book by Graham McNeill where a whole community was all "tyranids? on my planet? nah we're not gonna evacuate we'll be fine" So it depends on the author but basically as long as the setting is maintained so almost no one knows anything I will continue to love it. Though I would be fascinated by a (well-written) plot advancement, like if by 50k there was an Imperium-wide internet or something so everyone could know everything but in really patchy/weird ways. ... Okay that would be terrible but it's hilarious to think about the Inquistion trying to handle an evolving culture that's trying to emerge from the dark ages.
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So I am 2/3rds of the way through No Good Men, the new Warhammer Crime anthology and I HIGHLY recommend it. It has one story from Wraight about the same probator from Bloodlines that is excellent, but every other story is just as good. It shows a lot of Varangantua and it's varied districts. All three Warhammer crime releases so far are top notch. This was a great idea and I love seeing this part of the setting.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I enjoy the huge amounts of information we get access to so I disagree with you, but on the other hand it's fantastic when the characters in the setting don't have the same information. There was a fantastic sequence in the second Ultramarines book by Graham McNeill where a whole community was all "tyranids? on my planet? nah we're not gonna evacuate we'll be fine" At the other end of the spectrum, in the second Fabius Bile book (which is much better than the first, incidentally), he and a bunch of CSM run into memelord Trazyn and it felt super weird that none of them had any clue what the Necrons were. Fabius and his gang are ten-thousand-year-old scientists with extensive connections and agents around the galaxy, and Fabius in particular is a serious scholar of Eldar lore, he should at least have heard of the War in Heaven and been able to connect the dots.
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VanSandman posted:
The good news is I'm listening to the audiobook of Saturnine now and it really is excellent.
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Deptfordx posted:The good news is I'm listening to the audiobook of Saturnine now and it really is excellent. I'm there too! It's got some good jokes too. Horus Aximand's dig at Fulgrim had me cackling, and Abnett's not afraid to go into the silliness and weirdness of the setting at all.
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VanSandman posted:I'm there too! It's got some good jokes too. Horus Aximand's dig at Fulgrim had me cackling, and Abnett's not afraid to go into the silliness and weirdness of the setting at all. I was surprised at just how much humour there was. Especially from Dorn, who's normally the poster boy for "humourless plank". God, that book was such a breath of fresh air after The First Wall. We don't deserve Dan Abnett
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VanSandman posted:I'm there too! It's got some good jokes too. Horus Aximand's dig at Fulgrim had me cackling, and Abnett's not afraid to go into the silliness and weirdness of the setting at all. The zero respect that other traitor legions give to the Emperor's Children is one of my favourite recurring bits in 40k. Even Aximand, who hangs out with a demonically possessed corpse, is like 'gently caress these freaks'.
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Horus Heresy 2: man, Graham McNeill isn't a bad writer but he really, really isn't Dan Abnett. e: "erebus' subtle infiltration to Horus' side" this has not been shown in any of these books, ugh c'mon StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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VanSandman posted:Gav Thorpe, buddy, friend - The First Wall is a mess. I'd have dropped it if I didn't get it for free through Audible. I'm annoyed I have to read it before Saturnine. Is this a regional deal, and could you share how you saw/found the offer? I have about 30 BL titles in my Audible library, but I can't find any way to get ebooks through titles already in my library. I do occasionally see offers where you get x% off an audible title if you buy an ebook through Amazon, but not the other way around, and not for free, so I'm kinda expecting that Germany / Europe (?) may no have this deal.  Fallen Hamprince posted:I thought it was fine, personally. A bit boring but it wasn't painful to read or anything like much of the older BL stuff can be. Although there's not much connecting it to Saturnine other than the space port falling so it's definitely skippable. I thought it was an okay read as well, though after reading the feedback from other posters, I get how simply having "an okay read" can be frustrating when there's literally only a handful of titles left in the series. In retrospect, I'm also kinda disappointed we didn't get more plot-driving content in the book. I did like the Addaba Freecorps subplot initially (although, for the life of me, I can't figure out how I didn't see the plot twist coming, and am looking forward to reading it again because I want to figure out if it was just written massively ambiguous / Schroedinger's-catty, or whether I was just super dense), but I get how it's "just a neat filler subplot with a literal one-liner payoff" and doesn't serve driving the Siege of Terra further.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Horus Heresy 2: man, Graham McNeill isn't a bad writer but he really, really isn't Dan Abnett. This made me drop my attempted reread of the opening Heresy trilogy a while back, because everything about the setup in False Gods is so astoundingly dumb.
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Hungry posted:This made me drop my attempted reread of the opening Heresy trilogy a while back, because everything about the setup in False Gods is so astoundingly dumb. It feels like a lifetime ago when I picked up Horus Rising. Everything about the original trilogy screams "we have no idea this is going to become huge", right down to the terrible CGI covers. It was actually my first 40k novel. I'd played 2nd ED as a teenager, read all the fluff in the books and codexs and played the smaller games like Space Hulk. I was on holiday and decided I wanted to see if there was any more fluff to get into as it had been years since I'd thought about the setting. I thought "holy poo poo, they're actually doing the heresy? I'll grab that". At the time they'd only release Horus rising and False Gods. I was expecting B level pulp, so I was surprised when I read Abnett. Obviously he wasn't at the level he is now as he was still feeling the setting, but I was pleasently surprised. Maybe it was the low expectation that made me forgive the other two books as they were nearer to what I was expecting and I thought they were a dip and Abnett would be the average. I can't remember if it was False Gods or Galaxy in Flames (they're so turgid) but I REALLY felt the disconnect between the writers. After all Abnett had done to make Horus the charismatic demigod you suddenly had him feeling like skeletor and his speach was completely different. Then having the stories shift over to Erebus and co just felt... meh. Also, lol at the end of Galaxy in Flames giving the impression we were off to Terra for the big fight. Who's writing the last novel? Well, by "last" I mean who's actually writing Horus and the Emperor throwing hands? Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Dog_Meat posted:I can't remember if it was False Gods or Galaxy in Flames (they're so turgid) but I REALLY felt the disconnect between the writers. After all Abnett had done to make Horus the charismatic demigod you suddenly had him feeling like skeletor and his speach was completely different. Then having the stories shift over to Erebus and co just felt... meh. Yeah Horus Rising is genuinely good and False Gods is a huge step down, but I can forgive poor characterisation or goofy dialogue or plodding prose. The reason False Gods feels so bad is the plot makes no sense, everyone acts like an idiot, and the verisimilitude of the setting goes out of the window. McNeill makes such bizarre narrative decisions for a series of events that could have easily been a creepy and suspenseful build up, but turns them into meandering nonsense.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I thought it was an okay read as well, though after reading the feedback from other posters, I get how simply having "an okay read" can be frustrating when there's literally only a handful of titles left in the series. In retrospect, I'm also kinda disappointed we didn't get more plot-driving content in the book. I did like the Addaba Freecorps subplot initially (although, for the life of me, I can't figure out how I didn't see the plot twist coming, and am looking forward to reading it again because I want to figure out if it was just written massively ambiguous / Schroedinger's-catty, or whether I was just super dense), but I get how it's "just a neat filler subplot with a literal one-liner payoff" and doesn't serve driving the Siege of Terra further. re the Addaba Free Corps: it's a decently executed misdirection that did a good job of exploiting how we expect to see the roots of the 40k era Imperium in 30k. The extreme secrecy and paranoia gets read as proto-commissars doing commissar stuff, for example. Dog_Meat posted:It feels like a lifetime ago when I picked up Horus Rising. Everything about the original trilogy screams "we have no idea this is going to become huge", right down to the terrible CGI covers. It was actually my first 40k novel. I'd played 2nd ED as a teenager, read all the fluff in the books and codexs and played the smaller games like Space Hulk. I was on holiday and decided I wanted to see if there was any more fluff to get into as it had been years since I'd thought about the setting. I thought "holy poo poo, they're actually doing the heresy? I'll grab that". At the time they'd only release Horus rising and False Gods. I'd never touched the tabletop stuff (never have) and had read Ravenor after playing Dawn of War 1. I remember being really confused by the "I was there when Horus slew the Emperor" opening. Galaxy In Flames is probably what you're thinking of when you remember "Horus talking like Skeletor", he's not as well written in False Gods but he's not full saturday morning cartoon villain bad until the third book where's he's machine gunning remembrancers while cackling. The series really suffers from BL not realizing how popular/long-running it was going to be. The Horus Heresy was conceptualized as "Horus turns -> does Istvaan -> pushes to Terra -> lays siege to Terra, loses and dies" and they squeezed half of that sequence of events into the opening trilogy. Horus' fall from generalissimo of the Imperium to champion of Chaos takes place in a single novel, when even Abnett, probably BL's best writer, needed three books to convincingly portray Eisenhorn as sliding from orthodox inquisitor to radical (but still ostensibly loyal!) inquisitor. There's extremely little depiction of the changes the traitor legions undergo that make the ready to rebel aside from a few scenes with the warrior lodges; these were clearly supposed to be vectors for Chaos' infiltration of the Luna Wolves but they don't really go anywhere in the latter two books. Similarly, there's an effort by Abnett to set up reasons why the Em'peror's Imperium actually sucks and that there might be good reasons to rebel against it, but these get ignored in the rest of the trilogy and Horus' motivation ultimately boils down to 'got poked by an evil sword and then the Gods told him that daddy doesn't love him'. It's generally described as an opening prequel, but IMO it's actually a pentology that I think was supposed to form the first half or so of a 10-12 book series before BL realized how much money they could make if they stretched. From Horus Rising to Fulgrim there's a fairly logical sequence ending with the Dropsite Massacre and Fulgrim killing Manus, roughly halfway through what had been described in the pre-existing lore. In contrast, basically everything between Fulgrim (book 5) and Slaves to Darkness (book 51) is BL desperately trying to stretch for time to sell more books, to the point where the series lasted longer than the in-fiction decades long civil war it depicts. The next book after Fulgrim is Descent of Angels, a Dark Angels focused book that is set well before the events of the first five, then Legion, a Alpha Legion focused book set ~5ish years before the events of the first five. The subsequent books are mostly about "what was X character/legion doing while Horus was on his way to Terra", with a few more semi-prequels like First Heretic. In most cases it's actually extremely easy to skip ahead because of how disconnected everything is. The most glaring example is Nick Kyme's sub-series about Vulkan, four whole novels whose plotline intersects with the rest of the series exactly once, in Unremembered Empire (book 27), which was the book in Abnett was given the unenviable task of tying together at least half a dozen different plotlines that had seemingly sprung into existence without much creative direction from above. You don't even have to read any of the four to understand the basics of what's happening with Vulkan in Unremembered Empire, because it's literally spelled out, and frankly that's a good thing because even I don't have time to read Nick Kyme. Even stand-alone novels frequently just don't matter. Comically, The Outcast Dead (book 17) a largely pointless side narrative to begin with, got retconned out of existence because McNeill screwed up a key part of the chronology (Magnus' warning to the Emperor) in a way that renders either its plot or the plot of Thouand Sons (book 12, which he wrote!) completely nonsensical. Two books, Nemesis (book 13) and Vengeful Spirit (book 29), are premised at least in part on similar assassination attempts on Horus that are obviously doomed to fail. These are extreme examples, but even apart from the rich genre of Totally Pointless Filler, books from this period at most amount to one lore tidbit from the codexes getting spun out into a full novel. Know No Fear is a good example of the latter despite being one of the best books in the series. Around book 36 (Path of Heaven) or 39 (Praetorian Dorn) the series slowly starts to pick up momentum again with the books mostly either checking off Heresy-era lore items that haven't been covered yet (like Tallarn) or positioning characters and legions for the events of Siege of Terra.* This comes to a head in Slaves to Darkness, the entire premise of which is Horus sending Perturabo and Logar to get the Traitor side's poo poo together because time is running out to attack Terra. The difference with the Siege series is stark; even the least consequential of those books so far, First Wall, ends with the Traitors making meaningful progress into the Palace's defences. It's almost enough to make the Siege of Terra feel rushed despite being 8 books dedicated to a single battle, because in comparison, the Horus Heresy spends about 40 books in which basically nothing of consequence happens. Tellingly, Path of Heaven and Praetorian Dorn come out in 2016, just before Gathering Storm was released advancing the plot of 40k for the first time in decades. It's likely BL felt comfortable starting to wrap up the Horus Heresy knowing that there would be new ground to cover in the 'present day' of the setting once they were finished. Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Is this a regional deal, and could you share how you saw/found the offer? I have about 30 BL titles in my Audible library, but I can't find any way to get ebooks through titles already in my library. I do occasionally see offers where you get x% off an audible title if you buy an ebook through Amazon, but not the other way around, and not for free, so I'm kinda expecting that Germany / Europe (?) may no have this deal. Oh I'm not getting ebooks. I'm running through the Siege as audiobooks. It's been fun so far.
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Biplane posted:I guess I'm in the minority when I say I think Saturnine was the least good of the Siege books. Oh... you're THAT guy... (seriously though, what was it that you didn't like?)
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Honestly I just think the others just plain wrote better books. The voice of the characters feels all wrong and the pithy comic book dialogues rubbed me the wrong way. I think I commented on this earlier in the thread but I think Sigismund even says hell yeah at one point.
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Biplane posted:Honestly I just think the others just plain wrote better books. The voice of the characters feels all wrong and the pithy comic book dialogues rubbed me the wrong way. I think I commented on this earlier in the thread but I think Sigismund even says hell yeah at one point. This really threw me for a loop. Especially on a re-listen through the audiobook.
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punishedkissinger posted:Just started reading through the Gotrek & Felix 1st Omnibus. Do these get better as they go? They're not awful or anything but there has been more rape than I'd like so far and the plots themselves are a little bland. Not ... really? Gotrek and Felix never really rises above hack and slash. Trollslayer's just all short stories and honestly I only remember like, two of them. Skavenslayer is a lot of fun for Skaven themselves, who totally steal the show. Daemonslayer's great spectacle, but that's just it, it's spectacle, atmosphere, and some cool fights.
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Swords of the Emperor (it's two books combined into one) by Chris Wraight is very good. Takes the Empire seriously, there's a lot of hack and slash on the surface and a surprisingly complex and character-driven plot underneath the hood. Very much on the more believable side. Uhhhh I guess the Malus Darkblade books are good if you want to read about elves being dicks to each other? Malus is the dumbest elf ever and it's fun to laugh at him screwing himself over yet again. The Genevieve books by Kim Newman are great if you like vampires. The first one, Drachenfels, opens with what would be the end of like, a Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay campaign, and then jumps a couple of decades into the future when one of the survivors is putting on a play about the events. It's very unconventional.
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punishedkissinger posted:Just started reading through the Gotrek & Felix 1st Omnibus. Do these get better as they go? They're not awful or anything but there has been more rape than I'd like so far and the plots themselves are a little bland. Yeah, I listened to the first two on audiobook, and I didn't feel like they held up from reading them 20+ years ago*. Didn't even bother finishing Skavenslayer. *The Dark beneath the World novella was still alright.
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