Snowglobe of Doom posted:

gently caress "believe the science". Science literally doesn't work that way, it's not a belief system. It's a process, we trust the process as long as it's followed correctly .... and we NEVER 100% buy into the results, we accept them as being the best possible at this time, given the current data and the current testing until someone else comes along with a more complete result or someone reviews it and finds fault with it.


If the process isn't followed correctly (for example, steps in the process are skipped over to speed up delivery of final product) then we can sure as hell cast doubt on the results because that's lovely science.


You don't place 100% trust in any old fucker just because they're wearing a white lab coat, and you never treat the current science as dogma

E: especially if the science is profit driven

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's gonna be so cool when there is a vaccine and everyone keeps dying because no one takes it and it'll be a fight between "I'm antivax and I won't take this" and "I'm not an antivax but...." and every other country is fine and the US just voluntarily keeps this all going on some dumb endless culture war to the death.

xtal posted:

A lot of idiots think science means the conclusion and not the process. The result has been wrong before, but the way we found out it was wrong was by sciencing it even harder.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's gonna be so cool when there is a vaccine and everyone keeps dying because no one takes it and it'll be a fight between "I'm antivax and I won't take this" and "I'm not an antivax but...." and every other country is fine and the US just voluntarily keeps this all going on some dumb endless culture war to the death.

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The first major change to beset the testing system is entirely because of Trump. Two weeks ago, the CDC changed its official guidance about when Americans should get a coronavirus test. The agency had once maintained that everyone who was exposed to the virus should get tested for it. Now it altered this advice: If someone was exposed to the virus but did not yet have symptoms of COVID-19, they did not necessarily need a test, the guidance said.

The edit was small but significant. It also made no sense. Scientists have known for months that people can spread the coronavirus before they develop symptoms of COVID-19, and some evidence suggests that truly asymptomatic people—that is, those who are infected but never develop symptoms—may be more efficient spreaders than anyone else. The only way to distinguish between a healthy person and an asymptomatic person who has COVID-19 is to test them. But this is exactly what the CDC now recommends against.

“To say you don’t have to test asymptomatic people—while knowing at least half of infections are driven by asymptomatic people—is idiotic,” Kristian Andersen, an immunology professor at Scripps Research, told us.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's gonna be so cool when there is a vaccine and everyone keeps dying because no one takes it and it'll be a fight between "I'm antivax and I won't take this" and "I'm not an antivax but...." and every other country is fine and the US just voluntarily keeps this all going on some dumb endless culture war to the death.

Another Bill posted:

I have faith in the scientific method

coronavirus posted:

All I can do is listen to the actual researchers and scientists that are making the vaccine. I am not going to listen to lovely politicians like biden or trump who give out faux expertise 24/7. The absolute last thing I want to do is get my views on medicine from people that tell me to buy shotguns to shoot in the air or people that wonder out loud if we should be shooting light guns into our mouths or gargling bleach.

I am not going to get my medical advice from a facebook meme, like the exact situation that led to the loving measles coming back in 2015 or whatever that we all made fun of.

Mithaldu posted:

What do you do when two different scientists tell you different things?

How will you tell which one was paid off?

xtal posted:

Reproducibility, it's part of what makes the method so great

I. M. Gei posted:

I. M. Gei posted:

Wait, so it’s possible to have COVID but never show symptoms at all? Like even 2 weeks or longer after infection?

I asked one of my local testing places about getting myself tested after my personal trainer came down with “COVID-like symptoms” back in July, and they said that nobody in town would test me unless I had symptoms. It’s been 3 months since then, but should I still try to get drive-thru tested just in case?

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I just saw on the local news that you can get both covid and the flu at the same time! Woohoo!

coronavirus posted:

You aren't pro-vax.

This creepy anti-vax poo poo coming from the kamala left is embarassing. We are supposed to be the "believe the science" guys, not the crystals and feelings wackadoos

xtal posted:

Of course you can, they're two totally different viruses. You could even have those two alongside a common cold and herpes.

Mithaldu posted:

Yes.

Get an antibody test.

Mithaldu posted:

Get an antibody test.

I. M. Gei posted:

Is this something I can do for free?

Delta-Wye posted:

It would be cool to have a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. themed wedding. Matching his and hers gas masks for the happy new couple

Castaign posted:

It probably won't tell you anything useful (since antibodies don't necessarily mean you're immune).

It may not tell you anything at all (since you may not have generated antibodies at all, or they may have faded).

Neither outcome of an antibody test should change your behavior, so it doesn't seem worth the time and effort (or the risk of going to a medical facility or testing site).

I. M. Gei posted:

Wait, so it’s possible to have COVID but never show symptoms at all? Like even 2 weeks or longer after infection?

I asked one of my local testing places about getting myself tested after my personal trainer came down with “COVID-like symptoms” back in July, and they said that nobody in town would test me unless I had symptoms. It’s been 3 months since then, but should I still try to get drive-thru tested just in case?

I. M. Gei posted:

Is this something I can do for free?

How do I find a testing center? How accurate are the results?

Mithaldu posted:

Right, i trust you do and know what that means. Given that coronavirus plans to listen to the people making the vaccine, i have huge doubts they even know what that word means.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Also when Trump talks about downplaying the virus because he didn't want to cause a panic he was undoubtedly thinking of the stock market and not the general populace. He LOVES whipping the general populace up into a panic, especially when he can blame it on others.

quote:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it has received reports of 792 confirmed cases of a rare condition linked to COVID-19. The condition, called Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), was also associated with 16 deaths reported in 42 states, New York City and Washington, D.C., as of last Thursday.

Nearly all the cases were in kids who tested positive for the coronavirus, while the rest were among those who were around someone with COVID-19. More than 70% of cases have been in kids who are Hispanic/Latino or Black, according to the CDC.

Most kids developed the condition 2-4 weeks after being infected, according to the agency.

Children with the condition can experience inflammation in the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes or gastrointestinal organs. They may also have a fever, and symptoms include abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes and feeling extra tired, the CDC said.

"MIS-C is a new syndrome, and many questions remain about why some children develop it after a COVID-19 illness or contact with someone with COVID-19, while others do not," it said.

Data released by Florida's health department Tuesday shows that 64 children in the state have been diagnosed with the condition. An additional case was reported in the state in a 20-year-old.

The health department didn't say when 14 of the total 65 cases in the state were diagnosed. The other cases were diagnosed between May 15, when a 14-year-old boy in Miami-Dade County was confirmed to have the syndrome, and August 18.

More than 500,000 children across the U.S. have tested positive for the coronavirus since the pandemic started, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). The group said this week that children have represented 9.8% of all COVID-19 cases in the country, where more than 6.3 million total cases have been reported, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I wonder how people are going to handle it. Because a lot of covid symptoms are the same as the flu. So I'm guessing that both, a lot of people won't go to the hospital because they think it isn't so bad when it really is, and also they'll be flooding to the hospital because they think they have the rona.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I wonder how people are going to handle it. Because a lot of covid symptoms are the same as the flu. So I'm guessing that both, a lot of people won't go to the hospital because they think it isn't so bad when it really is, and also they'll be flooding to the hospital because they think they have the rona.

I. M. Gei posted:

Wait, so it’s possible to have COVID but never show symptoms at all? Like even 2 weeks or longer after infection?

Fenarisk posted:

Then again I've had to educate patients that no, despite what your family members say you cannot get the flu from the flu shot.

I. M. Gei posted:

Wait, so it’s possible to have COVID but never show symptoms at all? Like even 2 weeks or longer after infection?

I asked one of my local testing places about getting myself tested after my personal trainer came down with “COVID-like symptoms” back in July, and they said that nobody in town would test me unless I had symptoms. It’s been 3 months since then, but should I still try to get drive-thru tested just in case?

Outrail posted:

I think if you feel you've been exposed but don't have symptoms just lie, say you have symptoms and get the test.

food court bailiff posted:

if you've been exposed but don't have the symptoms just stress yourself into a severe psychogenic fever so you have symptoms

coronavirus posted:

I am not going to avoid any USA vaccine simply because of politics. Not interested in the covid heart/brain damage