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Waiting weeks for Zen 3 or RTX 3070 is one thing, but worrying about something a year or more off is a waste if your current PC is too slow today. There's always something on the horizon that can be used as a pretext to push off building a new PC, but at some point you have to bite the bullet and build it. And as far as those things go, DDR5 seems pretty unexciting to me. It's not like if you build a good gaming PC today it will turn into poo poo the second DDR5 or PCIe 5.0 or USB Type Z comes out or whatever. These things basically always end up either being incremental improvements, or things that take another 1-2 years after release to mature enough that they're actually being used to their capabilities. poo poo, PCIe 4.0 still doesn't really matter on either video cards or SSDs, and the advantages of M.2 PCIe SSDs over SATA are still mostly theoretical for most users.
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I’m holding back on a full upgrade to see what Zen 3 brings, but there’s some good pricing on RAM and Motherboards at the moment. There’s no risk in picking up a 550 or x570 and some ram, and then deciding on a Zen 3 or (hopefully cheaper) 3700x, yeah?
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Sep 19, 2020 23:35
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Is there a go-to B550 board this thread recommends like the Tomahawk MAX was for B450?
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sean10mm posted:Waiting weeks for Zen 3 or RTX 3070 is one thing, but worrying about something a year or more off is a waste if your current PC is too slow today. DDR5 is a tricky one. Launch DDR4 vs current DDR4 is pretty steep in terms of speed. And why waiting matters here is if you wanna upgrade to faster ram in lets say 3-5 years, if you get DDR4 now then that upgrade will require a new mobo + cpu (most likely). If you wanna upgrade your mobo + cpu in 2-5 years, you’re stuck also upgrading ram. Socket or connector type changes that have long generations are generally worth waiting for if you can.
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Sep 19, 2020 23:56
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Should the Super Flower Leadex III 750W 80+ Gold https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006 work for a new 3080 build?
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Sep 20, 2020 00:18
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teagone posted:Is there a go-to B550 board this thread recommends like the Tomahawk MAX was for B450? The MSI B550M Pro-VDH has the same VRM as the B450 Tomahawk, it's similarly a perfect board for a 3600 or 3700X. (There's also the bazooka which has more elaborate heatsinks but is apparently the exact same board underneath. What I don't know is if there are any significant BIOS differences between the pro-vdh and the bazooka.) Got everything most people need including a front-panel C socket. For someone that needs more USBs, the Gigabyte B550M Aorus Pro also has a totally competent VRM which runs a bit warmer but has plenty of power. All the back-panel USBs comes at the expense of a front-panel C jack though. The one high-end B550 I can see a case for is the MSI B550M Mortar, for the particular purpose of making a high-end system in MATX form factor. That has a high-spec VRM equal to a good X570 and so is fine with a 3900X or bigger. It also costs as much as an X570, but there aren't any really good MATX X570s. (Also it has a wifi version with Intel AX wifi, so good for a wifi connected PC. But again, that's $180 so no major bargain compared to some ATX X570s like the Asus TUF Plus wifi.) Harry Privates posted:Should the Super Flower Leadex III 750W 80+ Gold https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-750f14hg-750w/p/1HU-024C-00006 work for a new 3080 build? Klyith fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 00:19
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Kingnothing posted:DDR5 is a tricky one. IMO if the wait for a component can be counted as a year, it's not worth waiting. You have no idea what financial situation may occur, or if you'll even be alive then. If it's within a month, worth a wait.
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Sep 20, 2020 00:42
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edit: nm just took it out a diff way
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Sep 20, 2020 01:47
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hambeet posted:I’m holding back on a full upgrade to see what Zen 3 brings, but there’s some good pricing on RAM and Motherboards at the moment. If you buy a mobo now for Zen 3, you better drat well make sure you buy a model that has USB BIOS flash capabilities. Otherwise, you could be looking at a significant hassle locating a supported CPU to flash the board to be Zen 3 compatible and maybe even have to fork over money to a store to have them do it for you.
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Sep 20, 2020 05:53
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Klyith posted:The MSI B550M Pro-VDH has the same VRM as the B450 Tomahawk, it's similarly a perfect board for a 3600 or 3700X. Curious how people feel this compares to this Asus TUF Gaming motherboard? I'd heard good things about it but the MSI is significantly cheaper.
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Good question. I'm about to order the Asus TUF so I looked into it. The MSI has one GPU slot (versus 2 in the Asus), Wifi 5 (vs Wifi 6), 1GB ethernet (vs 2.5GB), and a lesser I/O panel. The MSI is a lot less expensive, but certainly a lesser mobo. It really depends on your budget and what you're looking for.
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Motherboard purchases are always about feature sets. Do you need a particular I/O type, how many M.2 Slots, how many SATA connectors? Do you need onboard wifi etc? Nicer onboard Audio? BIOS flashback? Once you have the feature set, you can probably go with the cheapest option that offers the package you are looking for unless there are a ton of reported issues.
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Sep 20, 2020 07:15
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Do we know that zen3 is still AM4?
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Sep 20, 2020 07:40
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MikeC posted:If you buy a mobo now for Zen 3, you better drat well make sure you buy a model that has USB BIOS flash capabilities. Otherwise, you could be looking at a significant hassle locating a supported CPU to flash the board to be Zen 3 compatible and maybe even have to fork over money to a store to have them do it for you. Yeah the mobos I’m looking at all have USB and the flash bios button. So I take it that yes, what I’m planning is fine.
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Sep 20, 2020 08:21
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Klyith posted:the only advice I seriously care about people following is have backups of your personal / important data! Klyith posted:You can do that. Win7 will probably move to the new PC and boot functionally. However, it may be non-optimal based on a couple different factors. I'd recommend doing it in the other order: update to win10 on the existing machine & drive, then move it to the new PC and do the clone to the new drive (with macrium reflect). i just did this - win7 to win10 and then migrate - and it worked perfectly. even let me re-activate win10 after trying to tell me i couldn't. also because your advice was so useful i made sure i backed up all of my personal and important data before doing it, so thanks again!
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If I get a 2.5” SSD to run games off of instead of my NVMe 960 Evo, would I lose any realistic performance? If I go that route, is there any particular SSD hardware type I should be looking for?
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Sep 20, 2020 11:27
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Kingnothing posted:If I get a 2.5” SSD to run games off of instead of my NVMe 960 Evo, would I lose any realistic performance? You’ll notice no real world difference. As far as I’m aware avoid QLC nand SSDs, slower with a shorter lifespan.
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Hi all. Here is my info and build: What country are you in? UK What are you using the system for? Gaming What's your budget? £1700/£1800 to include a monitor also If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? 1920x1080 144 Hz or so How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? As fast as possible within the budget Build: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£274.00 @ Amazon UK) CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£73.34 @ CCL Computers) Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£99.99 @ AWD-IT) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£99.06 @ Newegg UK) Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£249.60 @ Box Limited) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card (£400.00 @ Currys PC World) Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case (£88.40 @ Alza) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ Box Limited) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£131.46 @ Newegg UK) Monitor: AOC C24G1 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor (£182.99 @ Box Limited) Total: £1703.83 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-20 12:16 BST+0100 Thanks in advance.
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Dog Pipes posted:Hi all. Here is my info and build: Looks pretty solid, I’d consider the AOC 24G2U though instead. I’m preferential to IPS rather than VA for the better colour accuracy, though if you’re averse to IPS glow then that might be an issue. I’m dubious about the value of a curved screen on anything other than an ultrawide to be honest.
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What no there's a number of issues with that build. Money can be saved on the RAM, the Samsung SSD, they should get a B550 mobo instead, don't spend £130 on windows, and also buying a 2070 super right now when the 3070 comes out very soon is a huge waste of money
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Sep 20, 2020 12:50
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Dog Pipes posted:Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£131.46 @ Newegg UK) Make sure you don't have a windows 7 key you could transfer from an old, unused device, or failing that find a key reseller. SA-mart has a guy who sells keys for like $10. There is no reason to spend that much on a windows 10 license
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Butterfly Valley posted:What no there's a number of issues with that build. Money can be saved on the RAM, the Samsung SSD, they should get a B550 mobo instead, don't spend £130 on windows, and also buying a 2070 super right now when the 3070 comes out very soon is a huge waste of money The 3070 will be £70 more, and feasibly purchasable for months to come. The Samsung SSD is fine?
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Butterfly Valley posted:What no there's a number of issues with that build. Money can be saved on the RAM, the Samsung SSD, they should get a B550 mobo instead, don't spend £130 on windows, and also buying a 2070 super right now when the 3070 comes out very soon is a huge waste of money Hey, thanks for the feedback. I left the windows OS in by accident, I can get a key for that. Aside from waiting for the 3070 to drop and the mobo, which RAM and SSD do you recommend instead?
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ijyt posted:The 3070 will be £70 more, and feasibly purchasable for months to come. The Samsung SSD is fine? The extra £70 isn't an issue tbh, but when is the card likely to be released in the UK?
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Dog Pipes posted:The extra £70 isn't an issue tbh, but when is the card likely to be released in the UK? Launches this October, but the UK got basically no 3080 stock. It was sold out in probably less than a minute due to bots. I wouldn’t expect reliable stock until the end of the year at the earliest, if not early 2021.
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Dog Pipes posted:What's your budget? £1700/£1800 to include a monitor also https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/T8X6vW Cheaper but perfectly functional cooler Cheaper equivalent RAM Cheaper equivalent SSD Cheaper but suitable PSU B550 chipset mobo instead - do you need WiFi? If so, you need a separate WiFi card, or you can get a mATX board with included WiFi (also you could get a smaller case to fit or just throw a mATX board in a big case) Removed windows, buy a key in SAmart for $10 Removed the GPU, if you can then wait for the 3070 or you could always get a second hand 20 series which there's a glut of in the market atm. Even factoring in the additional cost for a 3070, this build still saves ~£150 on your original, which I would think about investing in a higher resolution monitor to do better justice to the hardware ijyt posted:The 3070 will be £70 more, and feasibly purchasable for months to come. The Samsung SSD is fine? I'd say its more than worth the wait for what is basically twice the GPU unless they need a computer right the gently caress now.
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Saying the RTX 3070 won't be buyable until 2021 is overly pessimistic IMO. The top tier part (3080 in this case) almost always has more availability issues than the next step down.
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Thanks for this. I don't need wifi, no. Essentially I need to cool my jets for a few weeks, I guess. Perhaps wait for Zen 3 to drop also? Not far away.
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ijyt posted:Launches this October, but the UK got basically no 3080 stock. It was sold out in probably less than a minute due to bots. I wouldn’t expect reliable stock until the end of the year at the earliest, if not early 2021. I read about this. Apparently people used bots in retaliation to increase the price on Ebay so people wouldn't buy.
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sean10mm posted:Saying the RTX 3070 won't be buyable until 2021 is overly pessimistic IMO. The top tier part (3080 in this case) almost always has more availability issues than the next step down. Overclockers are taking orders on the 3070 but don't have stock as yet.
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I've seen several builds with a 500gb m2 ssd for their "C" drive and then another SSD for games/storage. Is there still merit to this setup other than having a usable drive if the other fails? I kind if figured this was a relic of putting your boot drive on an SSD and storage HDD elsewhere.
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manwithoutskin posted:I've seen several builds with a 500gb m2 ssd for their "C" drive and then another SSD for games/storage. Is there still merit to this setup other than having a usable drive if the other fails? I kind if figured this was a relic of putting your boot drive on an SSD and storage HDD elsewhere. That, or the second drive is carried over from a prior machine. About the only advantage I can think of to having a separate files drive is that you could move it to a different box intact, which isn't likely to come up with any regularity. Or you're a Linux user who knows just enough to be dangerous and is liable to break your install, but that's not an issue on windows. As always, anything important should be backed up externally.
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Pegnose Pete posted:Curious how people feel this compares to this Asus TUF Gaming motherboard? I'd heard good things about it but the MSI is significantly cheaper. The price of the Asus is the same as the Mortar Wifi, which would be my pick for "if you want MATX in particular, and a high-end board". They both have the same AX wifi, but the MSI has a superior VRM and 6 sata ports (none of which get disabled by using the M.2, so they must have an extra controller chip). If you don't need MATX, there are good X570s for the same price. Personally I'm not big on asus mobos as they tend to be more expensive, and what you're getting is the asus brand and RGB. The asus brand may be worth something, or it may not. For example right now they're playing games with the definition of "phases" for VRMs. Asus calls that B550M TUF an 8 phase, it is a 4 phase with twice the parts. There are legit reasons to do this, but not to lie about it. And using cheaper parts plus still charging premium price is something I can't get behind. However, if you want RGB I got no argument. From what I can tell, the 2 best ways to do RGB well are to get a Corsair icue controller & corsair RGB stuff for $$$$$, or to get an asus mobo and aura-sync compatible stuff. MSI & Gigabyte have inferior software for their RGB support, and avoiding awful software is important. Butterfly Valley posted:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/T8X6vW Eh, the Dark Rock Pro is roughly equivalent to a Noctua D15, both are far superior to a Hyper 212. The hyper 212 will keep a 3700X cool just fine, a D15 or dark rock pro will be near-silent while fully loaded. Dog Pipes, how much do you care about noise from the PC? This also may be an issue for your case selection -- that's a fine case but the top panel is permanently open, it doesn't have a removable panel like a meshify or several others. That means that sound will always come right out the top, which depending on where you put the PC may be annoying. Klyith fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Klyith posted:Dog Pipes, how much do you care about noise from the PC? This also may be an issue for your case selection -- that's a fine case but the top panel is permanently open, it doesn't have a removable panel like a meshify or several others. That means that sound will always come right out the top, which depending on where you put the PC may be annoying. Hi mate. Yeah, I have the PC in our lounge where my wife watches TV at the same time also. Her hearing is very sensitive, so loudness would be an issue.
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Some Goon posted:That, or the second drive is carried over from a prior machine. About the only advantage I can think of to having a separate files drive is that you could move it to a different box intact, which isn't likely to come up with any regularity. Or you're a Linux user who knows just enough to be dangerous and is liable to break your install, but that's not an issue on windows. Yeah, this is what I did. Started with a small SSD for my OS, then later added a bigger one for games. Somewhere along the way I acquired a third one for reasons unknown so now I have 500GB for the OS, 250GB for just my steam installation, and 2TB for the actual games. I don't think there's a reason for them to be on separate drives except that's how it evolved, and storage is still expensive enough that it wouldn't make sense to consolidate it. Then again, being able to move just my OS to a different drive will probably be useful in the near future. (I'll move the SSD to another system and just move the OS to a new M.2 drive.) uXs fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Dog Pipes posted:Hi mate. Yeah, I have the PC in our lounge where my wife watches TV at the same time also. Her hearing is very sensitive, so loudness would be an issue. Ok, and she's gonna be watching TV while you're gaming right? Then you want a build focused on quiet while there's active load like games. The NR600 is decent for that, but I'd say you might want to move up to the Meshify C for 1 important reason: the NR600 only does 120mm fans in the front, while the Meshify can use 140mm. Bigger fans = quieter for the same airflow. Then add 2 good low-noise 140mm fans. And for a CPU cooler, I'd suggest the Noctua U14S, the D15, the dark rock 4, or the dark rock pro you were looking at before. It looks like in the UK the bequiets are priced about the same or cheaper than noctua, feel free to go with those -- in the US its the other way around, which is why we use more noctuas ITT unless people are concerned about looks.
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sean10mm posted:Saying the RTX 3070 won't be buyable until 2021 is overly pessimistic IMO. The top tier part (3080 in this case) almost always has more availability issues than the next step down. It’s not like your average person was rocking an $700 graphics card a month ago. These products are outside of a lot of peoples price range.
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Klyith posted:Ok, and she's gonna be watching TV while you're gaming right? Then you want a build focused on quiet while there's active load like games. The NR600 is decent for that, but I'd say you might want to move up to the Meshify C for 1 important reason: the NR600 only does 120mm fans in the front, while the Meshify can use 140mm. Bigger fans = quieter for the same airflow. Then add 2 good low-noise 140mm fans. Yeah, exactly. I don't yell (much!) when I'm gaming and she's really tolerant of my nerd nonsense! Thank you for the advice (wife passes on her thanks too).
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I have a 5+ year old PC and have been saving money to build a PC for the release of Cyberpunk 2077. What country are you in? United States What are you using the system for? Gaming What's you budget? $2,000 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution \ refresh rate? 1440p/144. I have a gsync monitor so as long as I can maintain > 60 fps I will be happy. I have the 3700x on my part list but I am considering waiting for the Zen 3 CPUs. Planning on buying a 3080, if I can manage to snag one of course. Unsure about the motherboard, I would like to have Wi-Fi capability built in though. PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tPfQjp CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.98 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($194.99 @ B&H) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg) Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card (~$750) Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($144.99 @ Best Buy) Total: $1139.88 + $750 (3080) = $1,889.88 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-20 13:58 EDT-0400 Javes fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Can someone explain to me like the dumbass I am how BIOS flashback works, I'd like to start buying parts piecemeal for my build, and would like to leave open the option for a zen3 proc if it works out, but am honestly terrified of having to do something that will brick my build before it is even started.
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