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Snowglobe of Doom posted:LOL they only just came around to the "airborne transmission" idea last Friday and they've already flipflopped Entire swaths of government are being run like Bugs and Daffy arguing about the season.
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Things are gonna be awkward around the NAID office tomorrow morning https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1308083976062590979
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Things are gonna be awkward around the NAID office tomorrow morning Yeah, people might have trouble adjusting to Bill Crews being the new boss.
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Cthulu Carl posted:Entire swaths of government are being run like Bugs and Daffy arguing about the season. Either way, it's still hunting season.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I'm Ding linking again! 
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Have more Ding.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1308077026042089472
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Schadenboner posted:Would have been even better if they had mistakenly misquoted from whatever the Dreamworks knockoff was. Antz came out before A Bug’s Life; if anything, A Bug’s Life is the knockoff.
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It's like totally gone, dude.
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Welp, I guess I'm back to going around maskless but washing my hands bloody. Take care thread.
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Is that a covid I see before me?!? Scrub my hands till they bleed
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I'm Ding linking again! Now all its going to take is the small leap of someone bribing, sorry SPENDING, some money in Mar-a-lago and you will have Trump branded snake oil medicine.
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Sigh, people are posting the tweets of the exercise and nutrition politician, so I guess I'll post a tweet from an actual epidemiologist. Follow the tweet chain of this woman where she goes over what the CDC's changed recommendations actually mean. https://twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1307822410582941696 The important take-away is that the protective measures suggested by most epidemiologists already take into account aerosol spread. The CDC's confirmation (and the retraction) of this information does not provide any significant new information. Continue to social distance, wear masks, and avoid confined spaces for long periods of time.
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Sigh. Any miracles come out of folding at home yet?
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:Sigh. Any miracles come out of folding at home yet? I turned it off because it made my computer noisy
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Cacator posted:I turned it off because it made my computer noisy We are all gonna die
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 trump needs the market to not be collapsing, so poof! No more airborne covid talk, that’ll scare people and make number go down
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:Sigh. Any miracles come out of folding at home yet? I found aliens, and they're gonna include me on the Nobel Prize team
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Continue to social distance, wear masks, and avoid confined spaces for long periods of time. lol no Pensacola Mayor Grover Robinson posted:"There's no doubt that the masks work in practice. And the practice at City Hall and all city facilities will still be to wear masks. But we feel like, at this point, telling people to do it is counterproductive. Because when we need you to do it, we want to be able to bring that tool back out and do it again." https://weartv.com/news/local/watch-live-pensacola-mayor-holds-press-conference-from-eoc Wearing masks is working, but making people wear masks is making them work so well that we don't need to wear masks. So when not wearing masks starts not working again, we can tell people to wear masks so that wearing masks works again.
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I think the only way we're going to get through this is with severe fines and arrests along with isolation camps for the sick. Seriously, we're far too stupid and stubborn to do this on our own. If there is any argument for having "big government" it's the entirety of 2020 so far. People are too loving dumb for their own good.
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Philthy posted:People are too loving dumb for their own good.
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Philthy posted:People are too loving dumb for their own good.
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Philthy posted:I think the only way we're going to get through this is with severe fines and arrests along with isolation camps for the sick. Seriously, we're far too stupid and stubborn to do this on our own. If there is any argument for having "big government" it's the entirety of 2020 so far. People are too loving dumb for their own good. Of course, the people in the government are much smarter
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xtal posted:Of course, the people in the government are much smarter Most of them can at least read and write. MOST
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I've been seeing info like this getting posted around and frankly it's seriously sticky info that I'm sure will embolden people to not give a poo poo about lockdowns or masks. I have yet to come across a convincing counter argument. https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+...chrome&ie=UTF-8 The new cases have been ticking into a nice new second wave for some time now. But the death rate has completely flatlined. And it can't be the lag because cases have been trending up for well over a month and significantly in the last three weeks with no corresponding movement in deaths. The effect is even more pronounced in France https://www.google.com/search?q=fra...chrome&ie=UTF-8 Also, are there any actual figures I can present on what sort of percentage of people end up suffering from the long term health problems that have been reported from Covid?
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:Sigh. Any miracles come out of folding at home yet? I switched to minecraft at home to do some REAL good
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Read this: https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63 Short version: COVID is NOT a respiratory illness. It is an illness that affects the ENTIRE blood circulation system and the heart. The lung issues are caused by blood vessels becoming leaky and flooding the lungs. The problem: This occurs all over the body with stronger or weaker effects. And given all that, we now know how to treat covid better, but we have no idea how many years contracting and surviving covid shaves off your life. This is incomplete, but coming from the CDC should have a little traction: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
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death cult death cult Death Cult DEATH CULT https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1308223562826817537
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Don't worry guys, I haven't made America all that great in the last 4 years, but THIS time, this next stretch of 4 years will surely do the trick!
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Illuminti posted:I've been seeing info like this getting posted around and frankly it's seriously sticky info that I'm sure will embolden people to not give a poo poo about lockdowns or masks. I have yet to come across a convincing counter argument. As an example there have been German studies showing that 78% of people who contract it (including asymptomatic) have some sort of heart issues from infection. About half of people who suffer moderate symptoms or symptoms severe enough for hospitalisation have long term fatigue issues. As for wave 2 I can't cover the US easily as it's so varied but the pattern across Europe is that numbers go up as young people get it, it spreads further but doesn't cause a lot of deaths for 6-8 weeks after the initial rise. Then you see an increase in deaths as it branches out into the population, remember it takes usually 10+ days from infection to hospitalisation and up to a month to death. We also are much much better at treating severe cases now and testing is much more widespread so less people are dying and a higher % of people who have it are actually being detected. In the initial wave only a tiny fraction of people who had it could get tested, usually the ones sick enough to be in hospital. For the UK specifically it was probably 10x or even more actual infections as positive tests. Saros fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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You can also try showing them this, and explain that it means that people still die a lot in poor places and countries, and that even if you don't die from it, you help spread it to some poor sap who doesn't have the NHS and who will die. 
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Mithaldu posted:You can also try showing them this, and explain that it means that people still die a lot in poor places and countries, and that even if you don't die from it, you help spread it to some poor sap who doesn't have the NHS and who will die. Thank you, I’d not seen those graphs before. Gives a very different read.
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Chief McHeath posted:https://weartv.com/news/local/watch-live-pensacola-mayor-holds-press-conference-from-eoc I don't blame him for what he said. Masks work, he's right, but mask orders only serve to reinforce mask wearing for a certain percentage of the population, for the rest of it, the mandate is the only reason they wear a mask. As the mask mandate lengthens, it gets less effective, as people in that second group stop wearing masks and largely never resume. He's suspending the mask order while there's no evidence of an active outbreak in Pensacola because that means more people will listen to it when it's reinstated because there is an active outbreak. The fact that removing the mask order ensures an outbreak is an unintended but welcome side effect.
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If I was sitting about 6 feet away from a person who was presymptomatic and later diagnosed with covid for several full 8 hour shifts, and we were both wearing masks while at work, should I be concerned? Work isn't confirming or denying they tested positive, only that someone in the office did.
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Konstantin posted:If I was sitting about 6 feet away from a person who was presymptomatic and later diagnosed with covid for several full 8 hour shifts, and we were both wearing masks while at work, should I be concerned? Work isn't confirming or denying they tested positive, only that someone in the office did. You're going to need to be more specific about what you mean by "concerned". For example, if I were in your situation, I wouldn't be visiting any elderly relatives that I particularly cared about until after getting a test (and the results back from it). But I wouldn't pre-emptively put myself in 14-day isolation either. Definitely get a test though.
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Konstantin posted:If I was sitting about 6 feet away from a person who was presymptomatic and later diagnosed with covid for several full 8 hour shifts, and we were both wearing masks while at work, should I be concerned? Work isn't confirming or denying they tested positive, only that someone in the office did. If that person had COVID-19, you were in a situation where you could have caught it, yes. Get tested, then probably get tested again after a little while.
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Saros posted:As an example there have been German studies showing that 78% of people who contract it (including asymptomatic) have some sort of heart issues from infection. About half of people who suffer moderate symptoms or symptoms severe enough for hospitalisation have long term fatigue issues. But this just doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not being sly here but I there is so much info and speculation floating around I swing backwards and forwards between what I think the best course of action might be. For the record I'm currently in Victoria where the lockdown appears to have been very effective, given the ever increasing number of permanently closed business and for lease signs in my area though I hope it was worth it and some other strategy might not have worked better. I'm going to keep an eye on Spain, which saw a surge in new cases begin around the 8th of July. They've been over 3000+ cases per day since 31st of July and they've been over 8000 per day since 27th August. Then look at the deaths. There's been a very modest uptick in the last week, personally I'd expect more but I guess we will have to see if the lag is more like 8-12 weeks. Graph of Spain new cases and deaths Seems sad but I think all the easy targets as it were got swept up in the first wave. Illuminti fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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We've learned that if you give people with Covid extremely strong anticlotting drugs, some of them will survive with only long-term organ damage. A lot of people still die even with that, but it is a major part of why the death toll hasn't been skyrocketing at the same level as cases. We've pumped a lot of research into understanding what Covid does to people and we have a better idea of how to treat than 6 months ago, but it's no where near an effective cure. But we have significantly improved our standards of care The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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The Glumslinger posted:We've learned that if you give people with Covid extremely strong anticlotting drugs, some of them will survive with only long-term organ damage. A lot of people still die even with that, but it is a major part of why the death toll hasn't been skyrocketing at the same level as cases. those people will not die of covid, they will die of some kind of organ failure--see covid's a hoax!
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The Glumslinger posted:We've learned that if you give people with Covid extremely strong anticlotting drugs, some of them will survive with only long-term organ damage. A lot of people still die even with that, but it is a major part of why the death toll hasn't been skyrocketing at the same level as cases. What's a lot? Seriously. I realise I'm probably starting to sound like some kind of plandemic nutter but is there any data somewhere that it's getting worse or going to get worse and it's not just that testing has greatly expanded. Here's a great page for the UK. Cases, Healthcare (people in hospital and patients on ventilators) and Deaths. Can you spot the difference? Are we expecting the number of hospitalisations and deaths to start shooting up? Patients in hospital is probably a pretty good proxy for people at risk of serious issues arising. And it's not going up. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Pubs and restaurants opened up again in the UK on July 4th.....seems like long enough to be noticing a trend.
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