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Nodosaur posted:In Savers at least, Armors are treated as being on the level of perfects, as shown by the Bio Hybrids and Drimogemon evolving into Digmon. The latter one is more of a Slide Evolution than a regular one, which admittedly is kinda weird as it's one of the only times it's happened in the franchise outside of Frontier mandatory lesbian posted:Other then magnamon, spirits and armors have been comparable to champions for a while now i thought? I know dna digivolutions vary wildly but i thought those two were at least consistent Only the "Human" Spirits are Adults, Beast Spirits are generally Perfects, also the DS Story games treated Armor Digimon as being Perfect equivalents(of course then you have Tamers and how it treated most Armor Digimon as being barely stronger than Child stage Digimon) At least as long as we ignore that one V-Pet where Duskmon is treated as a Child stage for some reason...
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Nodosaur posted:In Savers at least, Armors are treated as being on the level of perfects, as shown by the Bio Hybrids and Drimogemon evolving into Digmon. Ah, alright. I have not seen savers so im onlh familiar with spirits from uh the fourth series whatever that was called
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Oct 28, 2020 18:01
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Larryb posted:She’s kind of like the Anti-Izumi in a sense. And the hell of it is that Izumi would've been an actually good character if they just put her over and let her win fights. You would need to change nothing about her character or her characterization and if she pulled her weight on the action side of things she would have been a legitimately good, maybe even great, character. The fact that Fairymon LITERALLY never won a fight sinks her.
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Omnicrom posted:And the hell of it is that Izumi would've been an actually good character if they just put her over and let her win fights. You would need to change nothing about her character or her characterization and if she pulled her weight on the action side of things she would have been a legitimately good, maybe even great, character. The fact that Fairymon LITERALLY never won a fight sinks her. It also doesn't help that the latter half of Frontier completely sidelines everyone who's not Kouji and Takuya. Including Kouichi who is more powerful than the whole team combined and then is instantly useless. Frontier is such a mess when you look back on it.
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Some Numbers posted:It also doesn't help that the latter half of Frontier completely sidelines everyone who's not Kouji and Takuya. Frontier has a good cast who are compelling and well characterized and it has a lot of interesting concepts and a cool world and it doesn't matter in the end because it makes an extraordinary number of very very bad decisions. It's way less than the sum of its parts. It's also not helped by having some really apparent budgetary issues. The show looks cheap as hell even by the standards of the first generation Digimon shows, and there are a LOT of full on animation errors running around. I point out with some grim amusement that the finale has two REALLY glaring animation mistakes, one from incorrect overuse of stock footage, and the other that seems like some sort of communication error or super last minute story change.
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Oct 28, 2020 19:38
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It’s a shame Frontier wound up being such a mess as the initial concept (basically a Digimon themed Sentai team) sounds pretty good honestly. The cast was good as mentioned, but wasn’t properly utilized and in the end only the two male leads actually mattered. Xros Wars had a similar issue as well if I remember right.
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Yeah, the idea is great and there are glimmers of something good at points, but those are buried in a sea of baffling decisions. Beyond Fairymon being (one of) the only Digimon to lose their first fight, they introduced Beast Spirits a bit too early and there's that incredibly long stretch of episodes in Sephirotmon/Sakkakumon, there's multiple dropped plot points and the whole Royal Knights arc. Grottomon/Grumblemon's introduction is great, Duskmon merking the team is awesome, Takuya having some legit character development is great. Beyond that...
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I see nothing to suggest Digmon was just a lateral evolution. It was stronger than Gaogamon and GeoGreymon were individually, and took both their attacks to defeat him. Furthermore, every single time an Armor shows up in the series, from SaberLeomon's Digimon Army to the Bio Hybrids, it's more than Perfect levels can immediately handle. If they're not as strong as Perfects, they're *at least* stronger than most Adults.
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Nodosaur posted:I see nothing to suggest Digmon was just a lateral evolution. It was stronger than Gaogamon and GeoGreymon were individually, and took both their attacks to defeat him. Furthermore, every single time an Armor shows up in the series, from SaberLeomon's Digimon Army to the Bio Hybrids, it's more than Perfect levels can immediately handle. If they're not as strong as Perfects, they're *at least* stronger than most Adults. Wasn’t it explicitly called a slide evolution though? That’s evolving “sideways” rather than to the next form. I’m pretty drat sure Digmon was just a more powerful “level 4”
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Wasn’t it explicitly called a slide evolution though? That’s evolving “sideways” rather than to the next form. I’m pretty drat sure Digmon was just a more powerful “level 4” No, it's never called a slide evolution. When DATS detects its signal, the following exchange occurs: quote:Miki: A digimon signal! It's enlarging rapidly! It's only ever treated like a normal evolution, and not referred to as a "slide" or "armor" evolution at all.
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New Folder Continent Report, the next part of Metal Empire. Rebellimon is too hardcore. https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1321716467419762688
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Please forgive the lovely shop job, but this is somewhat what I would have liked to see from the Virus Busters ZII. I tried keeping everything in the Virus Buster family so there isn't really a good link between Baluchimon and AncientGarurumon. Vaccine Taomon at least shares a silver color. Edit: Forgot Unimon was already in the Nature Spirits one. Replaced him with Pegasusmon. 
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Oct 30, 2020 00:21
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Tapirmon is a good boy.
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Sleeping Sigma posted:Please forgive the lovely shop job, but this is somewhat what I would have liked to see from the Virus Busters ZII. I tried keeping everything in the Virus Buster family so there isn't really a good link between Baluchimon and AncientGarurumon. Vaccine Taomon at least shares a silver color. Dominimon will never get anything. Poor thing even has official cute art but doesn't exist in the DRB or has appeared in any game.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Dominimon will never get anything. Poor thing even has official cute art but doesn't exist in the DRB or has appeared in any game. Isn't there some weird issue regarding him, Regulumon and Callismon that is similar to Ulforce Future mode that means they don't get used? I read V-Tamer ages ago and can't remember the outside circumstances. Edit: I assume you're referencing this image with him in the never-used club with Slash and Clavis? It's a shame as I like him a bit more than Seraphimon. 
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They’re partly owned by the magazine that published V-Tamer in collected volumes, aren’t they?
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Sleeping Sigma posted:Isn't there some weird issue regarding him, Regulumon and Callismon that is similar to Ulforce Future mode that means they don't get used? I read V-Tamer ages ago and can't remember the outside circumstances. At least ClavisAngemon gets cards and SlashAngemon is actually reasonably well-used in games. Dominimon just gets ignored, poor thing. Nodosaur posted:They’re partly owned by the magazine that published V-Tamer in collected volumes, aren’t they? I think it's something like that, yeah. But the Arkadimon line also premiered in V-Tamer and yet gets significantly more used so I have no idea if it applies only to specific Digimon from it or what.
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I guess it depends on someone deciding whether they’re worth making a deal to use. Arkadimon is probably a bigger priority.
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Nodosaur posted:They’re partly owned by the magazine that published V-Tamer in collected volumes, aren’t they? Dominimon and Regulumon are both in copyright hell, yeah
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It's a shame, but I can understand why they would shell out the money to use Arkadimon and not the guy who Holy Angemon evolves into if he's too much of a loser. I think it'd be neat if the anime incorporated V-Pet mechanics like that, though. Imagine getting a new form in Adventure: because of their win ratio.
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New profiles:quote:Manticoremon quote:Baluchimon quote:Imperialdramon: Dragon Mode (Black}
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Made my own image of a hypothetical Jungle Troopers pendulum: It's not as diverse as an actual Pendulum would be and I probably screwed up the attribute diversity, but the Jungle Troopers category doesn't give you a lot to work with unfortunately.
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What is an Alraumon and how is it different from Palmon?
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Some Numbers posted:What is an Alraumon and how is it different from Palmon? It's the virus recolor.
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Some Numbers posted:What is an Alraumon and how is it different from Palmon? It's Virus, its petals are purple, it's a darker shade of green, and its attacks are Nemesis Ivy and Gloom Dust. I dunno, it felt like a good choice for a Virus Child-level to put in here.
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Some Numbers posted:What is an Alraumon and how is it different from Palmon? Other have said it, but to go little bit deeper it's one of a number of digimon that are more or less straight recolors or minor variants, and like nearly all of them it's because of the original Digimon World. Digimon World on the PSX had a thing where you could recruit digimon to the city you were trying to expand. However there were random encounter digimon who you couldn't ever recruit, and so as a quick and easy way to differentiate between the ones you could get to the ones that were only there to be enemies they made lots and lots of new digimon that were just recolors. Thus, you could recruit Palmon, but not the similar looking Alraumon. You could recruit Gabumon, you couldn't recruit Psychemon who was bright pink. Birdramon yes, the black Sabirdramon no. The levels didn't need to match either, you could get Adult level Leomon and Meramon, but not Perfect level Panjyamon or Blue Meramon. And it also wasn't exclusively recolors, unrecruitable Nise Drimogemon was Drimogemon with a moustache and random encounter Soulmon is just Bakemon with a witch hat. Basically if you recognize a digimon from the first season but it's a different color or has a very slightly different design you can assume it's probably from the original Digimon World.
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NiseDrimogemon is one of my top 10 favorite Digimon ever. It's just a slightly hue-shifted Drimogemon with a snidely whiplash mustache. I love it dearly.
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Nodosaur posted:NiseDrimogemon is one of my top 10 favorite Digimon ever. It's just a slightly hue-shifted Drimogemon with a snidely whiplash mustache. I love it dearly. It’s official description says that if it was discovered first, the other Drimogemon would be the fake, which also makes me laugh
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Nodosaur posted:NiseDrimogemon is one of my top 10 favorite Digimon ever. It's just a slightly hue-shifted Drimogemon with a snidely whiplash mustache. I love it dearly. NiseDrimogemon is excellent and absolutely an improvement over the original.
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Oh no I found the Last Evolution blu ray at Walmart.
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wuggles posted:Oh no I found the Last Evolution blu ray at Walmart. Back away slowly, get the salt, and lock the exits before you set fire to it all. You know your duty.
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Burkion posted:Back away slowly, get the salt, and lock the exits before you set fire to it all. Is it bad? I’d heard good things.
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If by good things you mean "misses the point of the series", "isn't consistent with its own premise", and "introduces a cumbersome retcon for the sake of tragedy porn", then sure. It's great.
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wuggles posted:Is it bad? I’d heard good things. The earliest news of DA:LEK was when the director of the original series of Digimon announced that he had been approached to direct the movie and after some period of time left the project because the story was, by his own words, "incompatible with what the TV series had already established". This turned out to be DA:LEK starting as it meant to go on. Give it a couple years and I believe that Last Evolution will be spoken of in the same breath as Nadesico: Prince of Darkness and Eureka 7 Pocketful of Rainbows/AO: a tragic, antithetical, misfire that does an utter disservice to its own franchise. It's currently in the rose-colored nostalgia sweet spot of "Oh it's a send-off to my childhood". When that fades all that will be left are the many ways it doesn't work and frustratingly misses the mark. Extra special bonus points for having a tonally dissonant and painfully forced bittersweet ending that isn't even all-the-way, last word canon going into it. The production team were very careful going in to make sure it was known that the 02 epilogue remained canon meaning the badly wrong ending to the movie is going to get undone at some point off-screen, but they plowed through anyways because question mark. If you have fond memories of original Digimon go watch Digimon Adventure: (that's what it's called), the currently airing series. It's a reboot that so far has been pretty good. It's currently streaming on Crunchyroll.
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Omnicrom posted:DA:LEK Legally this is the only way anyone should ever refer to this film again
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Burkion posted:Legally this is the only way anyone should ever refer to this film again I can't claim credit for inventing that extremely on point acronym, but once I saw it I knew I was drat sure going to spread it.
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DA:LEK (I will never refer to it as anything else ever again) is an excellent movie with great animation, some really good character beats, and great fight scenes, that commits just one mistake. The mistake is so big that not only it ruins the entire movie, it causes ripples that affect the franchise at large. Said mistake is too well-known to even bother talking about it, but it's insane just how DA:LEK would be my goddamn perfect Digimon movie (focusing on the characters as adults! A world where Digimon and humans exist together! Animation that isn't absolute rear end!) and instead it's one of my most hated pieces of Digimon media to ever be created. It's goddamn impressive how it ruins itself by focusing on one idea that not only has no place in it, it has no place in Digimon. In fact, it has no place, period, it's the kind of ideology I personally hate. Okay, no, it does make another mistake, Agumon: Yuki's Kizuna is a terrible design that follows me in my nightmares. Gabumon: Yujo's Kizuna is fine but it's just Wolfmon again, to the point that its LCD sprite is literally just a slightly modified Wolfmon. Also it can turn into a motorbike but we never get to see it and that's a waste.
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