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Alright well I’m gonna watch it anyway, but do I need to finish the Tris first? e: Also is the dub any good or should I watch subs? wuggles fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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wuggles posted:Alright well I’m gonna watch it anyway, but do I need to finish the Tris first? One of DA:LEK's few lasting strengths is that it has absolutely nothing at all to do with Digimon Adventure Tri which is nice. It also means that it fails all on its own without any help from Tri. There's a single short shot of Meiko from Tri and that's it. Which is fine by me, Meiko is my choice for single worst digimon character. As for the dub I couldn't tell you. The last time I watched a digimon thing dubbed was in 2005 when they aired the then-remaining movies. I've heard that Tri's dub is squirrely, but I've heard nothing on DA:LEK's dub.
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Oct 31, 2020 04:01
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This animation is beautiful. Still waiting to get mad
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Oct 31, 2020 04:24
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FWIW, I've heard from people outside this thread that they loved DA:LEK (this acronym is beautiful). I'm not planning to watch it, because I'd rather not have my DA memories tarnished, but it is interesting that it's being received in such drastically different ways.
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Oct 31, 2020 04:51
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I...........liked it. Movie was gorgeous and the fights kicked rear end. Last set piece gave me big Evangelion vibes. I like the theme of innocence being something that must be lost. That resonates with me more than “we can live happily with our childhood Digimon buds forever.” Maybe I’m just a dumb casual, I dunno. e: Oh yeah someone told me to watch Adventure:. I watch Adventure: every week lol wuggles fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 05:44
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The only way that film is like Eva is that it’s the 3.33 of Digimon with everything that comment entails. May it and Tri rot on the island of forgotten anime, chained alongside Madoka Rebellion and Nadia’s island episodes.Omnicrom posted:DA:LEK 
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Oct 31, 2020 05:48
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A lot of people liked it in Japan apparently so you don’t have to feel bad about it. Still haven’t seen it personally but i more or less know what to expect so I don’t think I’ll be all that down on it. Is it available streaming anywhere yet?
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Oct 31, 2020 06:20
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Tri made people in this thread ridiculously cynical so what's kind of a meh movie is talked about like it's the lowest point of the Digimon series and something the writers should be shot for.
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Oct 31, 2020 07:34
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Tri made people in this thread ridiculously cynical so what's kind of a meh movie is talked about like it's the lowest point of the Digimon series and something the writers should be shot for. Well to be fair DA:LEK is itself incredibly cynical.
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Oct 31, 2020 17:28
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Tri made people in this thread ridiculously cynical so what's kind of a meh movie is talked about like it's the lowest point of the Digimon series and something the writers should be shot for. Not really. People in this thread have been extremely optimistic about Digimon. Appmon keeps getting praised, every Adventure: episode gets people excited, we shill Cyber Sleuth every so often. Only Last Evolution gets the cynical treatment. Maybe it's because...it is bad? I dunno, feels logical to me. It's not the worst thing in Digimon, no, Tri was significantly worse, at least Last Evolution doesn't look like poo poo and it's much shorter. But Last Evolution goes against the themes of the metaseries in a way I just don't find acceptable and I'm not going to say it's good because I'm "incredibly cynical" otherwise, sorry.
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Oct 31, 2020 17:32
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ConanThe3rd posted:The only way that film is like Eva is that it’s the 3.33 of Digimon with everything that comment entails. May it and Tri rot on the island of forgotten anime, chained alongside Madoka Rebellion and Nadia’s island episodes. oh, so its the best movie in the franchise?
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Oct 31, 2020 17:57
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See, I won't be as elegant; I am loving cynical of this movie because part of Tri going to pot as it did was it going "Hey, look at these adults trying to Digimon, arn't they stupid?" about the two OG digidestened so them hounding that point with the Highten View Terrence Digidestened (to the point where 02's out of nowhere epilouge is missed) leaves me with the same sour taste that I got from Prince of Darkness. E7 Hi Spec, the back end of Re:Eva et all.mandatory lesbian posted:oh, so its the best movie in the franchise? And let me be clear on that one, I think End is a great movie. I just didn't need it done again and more cynicaly some 15 years after the fact. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 17:57
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well maybe if all those drat weebs had paid attention to what EOE was saying, he wouldn't have made an update really hammering it in
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Tri made people in this thread ridiculously cynical so what's kind of a meh movie is talked about like it's the lowest point of the Digimon series and something the writers should be shot for. People are allowed to dislike Kizuna without it being a symptom of their opinion of other films. Like I’m kind of middling on Tri. and don’t hate the entire thing. By the logic you’re using here I should have a higher opinion of Kizuna. It’s just not a good Digimon movie in some people’s eyes.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:24
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Tri's great untill they ran out of stuff to do in the real world and then promtly die on stage trying their poundland impersonation of SMT.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:37
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ConanThe3rd posted:Tri's great untill they ran out of stuff to do in the real world and then promtly die on stage trying their poundland impersonation of SMT. "Dollar store SMT" seems like the logical endpoint of Digimon all things considered.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:44
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Funky Valentine posted:"Dollar store SMT" seems like the logical endpoint of Digimon all things considered. That's basically Cyber Sleuth! Only Cyber Sleuth is, you know, good. Unlike Tri.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:46
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Yeah, I would've been so down for the clashing between Homeostasis and Yggdrasil if it was actually executed well.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:51
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Question, people keep talking up Cyber Sleuth. I’ve played a few chapters on PS4 and now on Switch, and it’s cool, but not great yet. When does it really get going?
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Oct 31, 2020 19:11
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mandatory lesbian posted:oh, so its the best movie in the franchise? The thing is that 3.33 was actually thematically and tonally consistent with previous stuff in the franchise in a way totally unlike DA:LEK. It is completely justifiable for Evangelion to have an entire movie about all these characters totally failing to communicate and making everything worse and screwing up horrifically. That was the original series in a nutshell, all these characters totally failed to understand each other and didn't really like each other or themselves and then as a consequence most of them ended up dead or nuts and then the world ended. That everyone is a flaming, flailing failure in the 3.33 is a given, they're the cast of Evangelion which is a series notoriously about extremely screwed up broken people. Neither the original Digimon Adventure nor 02 is well represented in DA:LEK's bleak themes. That the digimon will fade away, that their partnerships will end without their consent after an arbitrary time limit for no good reason, that "growing up" means giving up on digimon in general, none of those things fit for Adventure or even for any other series of Digimon. Digimon has had a number of series where the cast and their partners end up having to separate, but it's never been depicted in this kind of fatalistic, absolutely closed book kind of way. Adventure 99 ended with narration stating that someday the cast will reunite, maybe. Digimon Tamers had a bittersweet farewell, but it still left the door open for reunion. Hell, Cyber Sleuth and HM ended with Alphamon flat out saying that there will be a new generation of Chosen Children in the future, in the restored world. The closest previous Digimon thing to DA:LEK might've been Frontier which closed the door as decisively as you can on the digital world in both the ending and in the series structure, but it ended on a positive note with the cast relating that they got something that they'll carry forward from their adventure. Moreover, Frontier's final action was not parting but a reunion as Kouji and Kouichi finally meet for real. They may not be able to go to the digital world anymore, but the Frontier kids didn't really lose anything. They certainly didn't lose their best and closest friends for over a decade. And and looking purely at the previous Adventure seasons? Man is DA:LEK's take wrong. 02's ending, pre-epilogue, had the biggest and best known bad guy of both seasons being defeated by a bunch of kids talking about what they wanted to be when they grew up, and in response they got digimon partners. That's completely incompatible with DA:LEK's message that digimon are only for kids. Moreover, right after that, a really sad old guy reaches the digital world, and meets his own partner digimon. There is no universe where Oikawa is not an adult past the arbitrary time limit considering how miserable and broken he really is, and he still has a partner. Then the epilogue happens which doesn't work for any number of reasons, but it's still Canon so DA:LEK isn't the even the actual ending. I think the fact that DA:LEK does spend time to show a post-02 world and all the interesting things about it even more frustrating. That this interesting setting has a built-in ticking time bomb on every single one of the possible potential characters? Pass. HARD pass. The story I'm interested in is how they get from a bleak ending to the actual final end of the timeline, and incidentally that's what I'd been interested in seeing since Tri began. Haven't got it yet. Can we get people who are good and competent to write that story and make it a movie? Now that we've got the misery porn out of our system let's do the much more interesting story about reunion, reconciliation, and changing a broken system for the better. Omnicrom fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 19:11
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Can we also talk about the utter character assassination the movie does to Sora, in that it defies her determination to be her own person AND the other core tennant of her character that she cares the most about her friends and loved ones, all so she can live up to her familial responsibility and take a job that we know from the epilogue she doesn’t even STICK WITH? So she loses Piyomon without even doing anything and abandons her friends when they need her and it’s for what? Absolutely nothing! Taichi and Yamato are at least on the path to their careers in the epilogue! Sora’s character is absolutely destroyed for no good reason at all. In the end I think this is the part of Kizuna that makes me angriest.
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I've said it before, if some executive at Toei just came out and said they just flat out despised Sora I wouldn't be the least surprised. The stuff they did to her in Tri and DA:LEK is beyond the pale. I don't think I could have done more harm to her character if I was TRYING.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:41
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Remember the movie with Armageddemon that Sora sits out because she had tennis practice that day? Granted, most of the cast sat that one out for dumb reasons.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:46
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Sora is used pretty terribly outside of everything that isn’t the original anime or the reboot. The most significant thing 02 has for her to do is to use her as a vehicle to show Taichi had matured. I’d argue even Our War Game reduces her to just relationship teasing fodder. But Kizuna is the absolute worst example of it all. Edit - and for the record I’m not saying the problems are that they showed her interests changing or that she started liking feminine things. She’s not Ruki. The problem is that she becomes an accessory or a vehicle for some pretty bad messages. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 19:49
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I feel like Adventure: uses Sora better than even OG Adventure. Except for the current arc, but thats true of all four other kids.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:52
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Well Adventure: Sora is superior because she remembers to bring a knife.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:05
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Mimi and Izzy are better for sure in Adventure: I can’t stand Joe regardless.
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Funky Valentine posted:Remember the movie with Armageddemon that Sora sits out because she had tennis practice that day? That's 02 in general. The show had absolutely no idea how to use the older cast and moreover how to make sure the new cast remained relevant, so the reason why they weren't doing anything changed from arc to arc.
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wuggles posted:Question, people keep talking up Cyber Sleuth. I’ve played a few chapters on PS4 and now on Switch, and it’s cool, but not great yet. When does it really get going? poo poo gets real in chapter 11. Although personally what I enjoyed the most were the sidequests solving cases with Digimon causing mischief. Still, I feel many people overhype Cyber Sleuth a bit (specially when making comparisons with the new Pokemon games) and I know a couple of people that ended up disappointed with the games because of it. They're good games, but they're closer to cheaper portable console's jRPGs than big console titles to put it nicely.
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Petiso posted:poo poo gets real in chapter 11. Although personally what I enjoyed the most were the sidequests solving cases with Digimon causing mischief. Yeah I think this will be a good game to a play a case of every now and then on my Switch Lite.
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I tried playing Digimon Cybersleuth but then I got to the big tiddy’d detective lady and I’m like “Oh, okay. I know exactly what kind of deal this is and it’s not for me”. Then I put it down and promptly forgot it existed. Sorry if you liked it but character designs that are incredibly horny for no reason at best just scream that the designers aren’t trying to make something of quality or at worst indicate they are just shoving boobs into a garbage product because it won’t sell otherwise. It’s also emblematic of larger problems with casual sexism in Japanese media which I have less and less patience for as time goes on.
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No danger, no danger. If it ain't for you it ain't for you.
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I also was scared away from Cyber Sleuth by the second best character in the game.
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Petiso posted:poo poo gets real in chapter 11. Although personally what I enjoyed the most were the sidequests solving cases with Digimon causing mischief. That’s because they are. They’re basically Vita game ports. I will also admit that the fanservice in the female characters is very overdone. Apparently, only women in the police force can have shirts that aren’t vacuum-sealed. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 21:57
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Eater Eve was by far the most uncomfortable moment in the game, and even though it foreshadows future events there was no reason for it to look like that. I just started Hacker's Memory and so far they seem to have more restraint when it comes to the women and their designs.
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Cyber Sleuth is more progressive than like 90% of video games just because of the early game side quest that discusses how it’s pretty hosed up that this virtual world doesn’t have non-binary options for avatar creation. Though yeah, the character designer for the game does kinda suck imo. E: Cyber Sleuth also probably has the strongest female cast out of any Digimon property. Designs aside I think the game treats its characters pretty well and Nokia and Kyoko are definitely among the best characters in the series. SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 22:15
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Got spoiled on Blue Sagittarius on Twitter but it looks cooler than Alteros mode (DA: spoilers)
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Speaking of, was/is there an episode tonight or was it preempted by sports like a lot of other shows were today?
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, was/is there an episode tonight or was it preempted by sports like a lot of other shows were today? It's not on Crunchyroll yet but people are talking about it on Twitter. I usually watch on Sunday.
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