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Societal issues do not exist, structural problems are not real. All problems are down to the individual. E: Like, man I don't want to actually write about how the story is critical of societal issues and the like when the way we're told about Toga's backstory is with someone using it to say "Wow, this is a great example of how the way people treat some quirks has really messed someone up." It's just actual text. SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Societal issues do not exist, structural problems are not real. All problems are down to the individual. That's not really what I said, at all, in the least, but okay? There are absolutely huge structural problems in MHA society, but if MHA society can accept someone whose superpower is "turns people into body horror flesh balls", it could accept someone like Toga. The difference is that body horror flesh ball kid's parents apparently didn't psychologically abuse him until he snapped and turned into a murderer.
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Nov 4, 2020 04:35
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I think this society is perfect. If not, how would AFO have been able to take control of it?
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Nov 4, 2020 06:31
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RareAcumen posted:I think this society is perfect. If not, how would AFO have been able to take control of it? By punching the hardest. Same thing All Might did.
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Nov 4, 2020 06:39
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oh jay posted:By punching the hardest. Same thing All Might did. Ah, the classic shonen solution. Beams and punches, the solution to all life's problems.
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Nov 4, 2020 06:48
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RareAcumen posted:I think this society is perfect. If not, how would AFO have been able to take control of it? This is backwards, AfO was highly influential in the formation of the current society of Japan, and that’s why it is perfect.
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Nov 4, 2020 06:58
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Kanos posted:That's not really what I said, at all, in the least, but okay? Given that Spinner had to deal with discrimination and such growing up, where you live is probably a factor too. Also, Toga's quirk involves action and compulsion to act, not just appearance or the ability to do something (though even that gets at least some poo poo; Shinso had to grow up listening to everyone telling him that he has a villain's quirk and joking, or "joking", that they're afraid of him mind-controlling them, despite not actually doing so casually); at least some of society in this world is okay with/used to people who look different or have "weird" abilities, but that doesn't mean that people doing things that don't "fit in" will necessarily be accepted so easily. That's still a big assumption to make based on what we've seen. Like, have we seen anything remotely comparable being done in open society and being accepted by people in the manga? Like, engaging in "deviant" or "gross" behavior in not just in public, but in ordinary places rather than something like hero activity or the sports festival?
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Nov 4, 2020 07:18
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But the most important question of all, if Deku DID punch someone into red mist, who would it be?
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Nov 4, 2020 08:01
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Nejire is the traitor and she did it cause she hated aliens and Mirio
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Lord_Magmar posted:This is backwards, AfO was highly influential in the formation of the current society of Japan, and that’s why it is perfect. But what about All Might's influence for the last 20+ years?
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Mraagvpeine posted:But what about All Might's influence for the last 20+ years? He only actually managed to directly fight All for One 5 years ago. Before that he was dismantling AfO’s empire, but the institutions don’t appear to have been changed in that time. Partially because they’ve tried to bury the existence of Japan’s Shadow Emperor.
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Roland Jones posted:Given that Spinner had to deal with discrimination and such growing up, where you live is probably a factor too. There's some simple ways you could indulge Toga's quirk in a healthy way without inviting discrimination. She could hook up with someone who's okay with or into blood play, as suggested upthread. She could keep (willingly donated) blood on her in juice boxes or thermoses, basically the same way she keeps blood in her goofy blood-sucker rig right now. She could get a license and opt to work for a business that allows her to indulge her quirk in a consensual way(think about how useful having a talented athletic shapeshifter would be, in, say, acting or modeling). These solutions wouldn't require her to deny who she is or her needs; they would simply require her to respect the autonomy and agency of other people(instead of viewing them as enemies or potential blood bags). The problem is that Toga's current mental state, due to an entire childhood of repression, makes her believe that any form of patience or restraint is equivalent to full-on repression. We've seen a fair number of heroes and heroes-to-be with potentially horrifying quirks who have used or tried to use them actively on other people in very public settings, but we haven't seen a lot of quirk usage in civilian society in either the main manga or in Vigilantes. That said, I'm skeptical that "completely normal looking girl who occasionally drinks a mystery drink out of a thermos" or "completely normal looking girl who gets a bit overzealous when exchanging a public display of affection with her significant other" is more likely to attract prejudice and discrimination than the various animal people or people with totally bizarre body types like Shoji.
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Animal people are probably seen less villainous than bloodsucking that lets you shapeshift in the MHA world. Shinso had similar problems with how his quirk was seen.
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Shinso has a substantially thornier problem to get around to with regards to people being afraid of him because the mechanics of his quirk are so easy and unrestrictive - he doesn't need to touch you or interact with you in any way, all he needs is for you to hear him speak, and there's no outward indication that he's using it on you. Once you know Shinso's quirk exists, you have to have absolute 100% trust in his morals and intentions at all times that you're around him, which is a big ask for acquaintances or strangers. "That girl could temporarily shapeshift into me if I let her drink my blood, that's freaky as hell" is definitely a very possible prejudicial reaction, but there's a lot of much more dangerous quirks with much freakier possibilities and less onerous restrictions(Thirteen could literally suck my body into a black hole by pointing at me! Present Mic could permanently deafen me by yelling a little bit too loud in my direction!) that seem to have managed to live normally.
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And the shape shifting wasn’t what was causing the discrimination and repression, it was specifically Himiko’s fascination with blood that her parents told her to hide. Which we’ve seen that someone else with a likely similar interest was a successful member of society until he went bugfuck bonkers, Stain whose quirk also involves drinking blood possibly suffered similar interests/desires. Heck, the home room teacher of 1B, Vlad King, has a quirk that allows him to control and manipulate blood. The prejudice was literally Toga’s parents seeing that she has a fascination with blood and saying this is disgusting and inhuman.
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They really missed some chances early on to show more of the world outside the school and how quirk society functions. Hell have Deku end up being friends with people with messed up quirks because scary quirks and the quirkless are both treated like outcasts or something.
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socialsecurity posted:Hell have Deku end up being friends with people with messed up quirks because scary quirks and the quirkless are both treated like outcasts or something. 
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If Horikoshi isn't joking, he has mentioned he has a Shouji arc in the can at some point, and the second movie even hints at it. Chimera, a villain whose quirk literally makes him a chimera (wolf/snake/bird) hates society because it discriminated against him for how he looked. At one point during a fight he snatches up Shouji by the face and mentions that given his body and face covering his appearance must be frightening to other people, and he asks him if he ever regretted being born the way he was. You don't get an answer of course but there's a lot of little one-line mentions of other events from the manga and personal character arcs/etc. Shouji also mentions in the joint training arc that he's used to being feared because of how he looks.
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Nov 4, 2020 14:05
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He says it in the meannest way, though!
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I suspect Shouji straight up does not have a face under the mask, seeing as he talks by manifesting mouths on his arms.
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Lord_Magmar posted:I suspect Shouji straight up does not have a face under the mask, seeing as he talks by manifesting mouths on his arms. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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I forget where it was said, but some side material said that he wears his mask because his face made some little girl cry when he was younger. That reminds me of Gang Orca's character page that said he gets asked to speak at aquariums a lot because he knows so much about fish, but usually ends up scaring away the kids whenever he shows it. It really upsets him. Rhonne fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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For real, Shinsou deserves more screen time. "Give him Mineta's spot in 1-A" has been a joke for years now, but it still rings true. Or hell, Horikoshi says Mineta's the most like him, which means he's probably not going anywhere, so quietly remove one of the nothing cast members instead. Is there anyone who'd actually mourn the loss of sugar rush guy? Everyone else in 1-A has some kind of at least potentially interesting quirk or personality trait. Dumb sugar strong man is just every other strong man but with an extremely linear and uninteresting limitation. (And Kaminari does the "his powers make him dumb" thing already.) Sugarman is the Bruxish of My Hero Academia. Technically unique, but so forgettable and superfluous that I had to actually Google a list of forgettable Pokemon to remember it existed. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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When was the last time Fluttershy (Koda) did literally anything
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Vinylshadow posted:When was the last time Fluttershy (Koda) did literally anything
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Vinylshadow posted:When was the last time Fluttershy (Koda) did literally anything He did a couple things in Heroes Rising.
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Who the gently caress is Koda? Seriously.
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 Talks to animals E: Also lol UA is in the city of Musutafu. Hori you friggin' Star Wars nerd.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Who the gently caress is Koda? Dr. Does Little
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Who the gently caress is Koda? 
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Who the gently caress is Koda? Easy, he sang the Part 5 OP
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Sugar Man has no purpose (because Izuku does everything he does but better) and has no visual interest going for him (unlike Shoji or Koda.)
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Hit half of class A with a bus and the story improves instantly Mineta, tentacle man, sugar guy, Koda, tail guy, invisible girl, sero, they will not be missed
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Nov 4, 2020 18:59
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I would miss Hagakure and Sero.
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Mineta being one of the most useful members of the class is still hilarious and Sero is part of the BakuSquad, they can stay. Horikoshi really needs to remember what Tooru's actual power is.
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Yep, straight up do not remember that guy at all.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hit half of class A with a bus and the story improves instantly I'd miss most of those characters. I never understood the mind set of wanting to remove half the class because they don't do much. If you think they don't do anything, then why would removing them change anything?
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Rhonne posted:I'd miss most of those characters. Because child murder gives some people boners and if a character is not out of the background then they should be in a bodybag for "stakes"
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Onmi posted:Because child murder gives some people boners and if a character is not out of the background then they should be in a bodybag for "stakes" Weird take but ok
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Onmi posted:Because child murder gives some people boners and if a character is not out of the background then they should be in a bodybag for "stakes" you're very weird for this
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