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Serf posted:multiple people itt have assured us that cold storage is no issue sure in places people want to live
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fosborb posted:lol at least no one got an unironic, serious sixer from d&d mods this time for prohibited levels of doom posting posi vibes only man
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There are a lot of other candidates with similar-ish technologies and not the extreme cold storage requirements. The stock dump kind of makes sense because even if it has the same efficacy that others do it will be shelved due to logistics challenges.
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Serf posted:multiple people itt have assured us that cold storage is no issue lol, right. -70/-80C is really loving cold. Vaccine distribution is always hard, but this is a whole different level. San Francisco is gonna be fine, but rural areas are gonna be a serious challenge. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/31/cold-chain-and-colder-chain-distribution
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Google Butt posted:posi vibes only man Hey, that's how TRUMP gets up in the morning, after all!
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There should be a better word for people who are too optimistic. Pollyanna is a tad outdated and obscure.
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Shifty Pony posted:sure in places people want to live what about in places where people have to live
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Karia posted:lol, right. -70/-80C is really loving cold. Vaccine distribution is always hard, but this is a whole different level. San Francisco is gonna be fine, but rural areas are gonna be a serious challenge. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/31/cold-chain-and-colder-chain-distribution Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:53
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the vaccine can be effective and the ceo can be doing insider trading, there's room enough in our world for both possibilities. the cold storage thing is a bummer though.
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country. Liquid natural gas is much colder and it's a ubiquitous bulk commodity on a vast scale
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Serf posted:what about in places where people have to live the vaccine will trickle down
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country. Ice is 32F/0C but it doesnt make other things it touches that cold. jk i don't think its gonna be that big of a deal
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country.
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country. Aren't we looking at a dry ice shortage right now tho?
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fits my needs posted:the vaccine will trickle down all over my face
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country. really? that's rad. what section is it in?
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Nov 11, 2020 17:56
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what the gently caress grocery store carries dry ice, is that actually a thing or have I fallen for a clever ruse
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blatman posted:what the gently caress grocery store carries dry ice, is that actually a thing or have I fallen for a clever ruse mine does?
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Nov 11, 2020 17:57
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Luckyellow posted:Aren't we looking at a dry ice shortage right now tho? The gaseous form is super abundant though
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you have to go to the customer service people to buy it. its not just on the shelves next to the shredded cheese
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Nov 11, 2020 17:58
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Giga Gaia posted:oh well its not like the ceo can ask his marketing execs to time things with his schedule. impossible lol It's not his marketing execs. Executives routinely dump their shares/options into an account held by their financial managers. Then they pre-schedule a year or so of withdrawals and deposits. They do this precisely to avoid accusations of insider training. If he set up the automatic deposits last month, it might have been insider trading. If it's a year old, it's just happy coincidence. e: Also, there definitely is a nationwide dry ice shortage. On the demand side, more food delivery; on the supply side, lower use of ethanol translates to lower refinement translates to less CO2 produced as a byproduct. Arsenic Lupin has issued a correction as of 18:01 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Acelerion posted:The gaseous form is super abundant though lol
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blatman posted:what the gently caress grocery store carries dry ice, is that actually a thing or have I fallen for a clever ruse all the safeways and vons and big supermarkets i've been to carry it. you need to ask at the customer service counter.
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Marzzle posted:mine does? holy poo poo there's grocery stores nearby that sell dry ice according to bing I legitimately thought the whole "grocery stores sell dry ice to random idiots" thing was a shitpost
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blatman posted:what the gently caress grocery store carries dry ice, is that actually a thing or have I fallen for a clever ruse Walmart sells it for 3 dollars a pound.
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blatman posted:holy poo poo there's grocery stores nearby that sell dry ice according to bing I legitimately thought the whole "grocery stores sell dry ice to random idiots" thing was a shitpost have u never gone to a grocery store before, do u poo poo in the sink
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i gotta head to the bi-lo today for groceries, i'll ask about dry ice. used to be you had to know a guy in the freezers department of the poultry plant to get dry ice
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Nov 11, 2020 18:00
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Serf posted:what about in places where people have to live at best they will roll a single cool truck for a vaccination clinic one day and expect everyone within 100 miles to drive there on that day then do it again 27 days later.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:01
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Salt Fish posted:Dry ice is -110F/-80C and you can get it at pretty much any grocery store in the country. Just like toilet paper!
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Shifty Pony posted:at best they will roll a single cool truck for a vaccination clinic one day and expect everyone within 100 miles to drive there on that day then do it again 27 days later. sounds bad
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Nov 11, 2020 18:02
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's not his marketing execs. Executives routinely dump their shares/options into an account held by their financial managers. Then they pre-schedule a year or so of withdrawals and deposits. They do this precisely to avoid accusations of insider training. If he set up the automatic deposits last month, it might have been insider trading. If it's a year old, it's just happy coincidence. according to reports he requested this in August. according to insider trading sites, the last time he sold stocks was in 2016 
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I am still legitimately baffled that you can just go to the store, hand them a twenty and they will tongs dry ice into your mitts
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Shifty Pony posted:sure in places people want to live I don't even think the issue is cold storage. If we're rolling at something crazy like 100-200k/cases per day then using a vaccine to effectively control this is going to be a nightmare. You can't just have people crowding into Walmart or CVS to get shots for something that won't give them immunity for over a month. You've got to do it either by appointment or at drive-up sites, which would probably also need to be by appointment just due to capacity limitations. We can't even reliably pull off 1.5m tests per day right now under those conditions, and this is at least marginally more complicated to administer. Distributing a vaccine to enough people to get this under control is going to take forever, even if all the doses could be magically manufactured and transported to where they needed to go. Oh, and you need to convince people to continue to stay safe for a month after their first shot. If the vaccine is non-sterilizing, then you need to convince people to continue to stay in until vaccine distribution is mostly complete.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's not his marketing execs. Executives routinely dump their shares/options into an account held by their financial managers. Then they pre-schedule a year or so of withdrawals and deposits. They do this precisely to avoid accusations of insider training. If he set up the automatic deposits last month, it might have been insider trading. If it's a year old, it's just happy coincidence. when ceo guy has his financial managers schedule his sell offs is he not informed of when they happen?
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lol seems promising https://twitter.com/markets/status/1326566881558474753?s=19
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Karia posted:lol, right. -70/-80C is really loving cold. Vaccine distribution is always hard, but this is a whole different level. San Francisco is gonna be fine, but rural areas are gonna be a serious challenge. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/31/cold-chain-and-colder-chain-distribution any rural or even faintly exurban distribution site is just going to get targeted by fundamentalist types so it doesn't matter one way or the other lol
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lol i may be doombrained but at least i dont immediately trust the words of a pharmaceutical ceo
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so when will we get our first asphyxiation due to improperly stored dry ice in a small poorly ventilated room?
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Paradoxish posted:I don't even think the issue is cold storage. comedy option: shut everything down for a few days while the military goes from person-to-person vaccinating them, lift the lockdowns as regions reach a certain population vaccination threshhold this will be received in a mature manner by everyone, who will also all cooperate fully
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100000 dead people and all we got are marketing stunts, we're hosed people, straight hosed
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