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Hey guys just got back from the gym, leftistly
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Algund Eenboom posted:Hey guys just got back from the gym, leftistly i did bands in my home liberally
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Nov 12, 2020 16:00
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i own my own squat rack, capitalistly ...wait, no!
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Nov 12, 2020 16:30
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apropos to nothing posted:imo, no. dont personally see much value in identifying as a socialist politically but not being active in organizing a working class political movement or party. to me it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of marxism at the most basic level what about people who can’t be involved in an org (beyond donating I suppose) due to personal circumstances/disability/mental health/whatever
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Nov 12, 2020 16:36
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indigi posted:what about people who can’t be involved in an org (beyond donating I suppose) due to personal circumstances/disability/mental health/whatever there is literally always something to be done, organizing isnt just throwing yourself on the frontlines of the vanguard
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Nov 12, 2020 18:19
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indigi posted:what about people who can’t be involved in an org (beyond donating I suppose) due to personal circumstances/disability/mental health/whatever without getting too specific, i know of a person that had suffered a serious traumatic brain injury and spoke with great difficulty but was reaching out wanting to know how to get involved. it seemed like a really uphill battle because i dont think they lived in an urban area either. i hope they got connected but i know it can really be tough for folks to find work they find meaningful. i think that’s an area that socialist organizing could definitely do better to open up ways for people with different struggles to participate in more fully. that said, i view it a lot like dues. being in a socialist org requires work (dont @ me plz i know im not doing anything right now), and it’s something you have to have a certain level of privilege to be able to participate in. if you can’t afford the $5/month for dues you have personal priorities that need to be held much higher than doing work for an org. this doesn’t mean you cant have socialist politics or whatever and i wouldn’t say you aren’t a socialist. but really i think the general point is that a socialist should be working to build the movement, and if you’re in such a precarious position you cant do work, focus on other priorities.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:21
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jarofpiss posted:as far as online goes it generally seems that the more hyperbolic and insanely someone posts the less likely they are to have any sort of actual organizing experience or accomplishments and i don't tend to take them very seriously Decorum politics don’t work either The rich permanently have us by the balls
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Nov 12, 2020 18:53
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A4R8 posted:Decorum politics don’t work either how is this decorum politics lmao
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Nov 12, 2020 19:24
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Trash Ops posted:how is this decorum politics lmao if you are a lunatic please have the decorum to not post like one imo
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Nov 12, 2020 19:26
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jarofpiss posted:if you are a lunatic please have the decorum to not post like one imo Hmmm yes, lets grassroots organize when the rich can literally reverse election results with a laptop Such lunacy
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Nov 12, 2020 19:37
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literally no clue what youre even trying to say lol
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Nov 12, 2020 19:44
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the rich can literally reverse election results with a laptop, therefore it is imperative that i call people cucks on twitter
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Nov 12, 2020 19:48
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It's me, the leftist who equates organization with bourgeoise electoralism. We do exist, we are not cops, now please tell me your name and address to receive your official Antifa Rewards Card.
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Nov 12, 2020 19:48
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A4R8 posted:Hmmm yes, lets grassroots organize when the rich can literally reverse election results with a laptop they don’t need a laptop
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Nov 12, 2020 19:49
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apropos to nothing posted:the rich can literally reverse election results with a laptop, therefore it is imperative that i call people cucks on twitter I never said anything about “cucks”, dumbass But arguing with a trot is like arguing with a libertarians and anarchists lol
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Nov 12, 2020 19:53
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one time had a phone convo with a dude who wanted to join who was already a member (at least he claimed to be a member) of dsa, cpusa, spusa, and prolly some others too. the whole time he kept wanting to talk about maoism vs marxism leninism vs trotskyism and especially wanting to talk about and hype this fringe group called black hammer who he was really interested in who some may know them from when they called anne frank a becky. through it all he was taking hits off a bong very loudly. i did not call him back but i do think about him a lot when reading twitter and sometimes cspam
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Nov 12, 2020 19:53
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A4R8 posted:I never said anything about “cucks”, dumbass jarofpiss posted:as far as online goes it generally seems that the more hyperbolic and insanely someone posts the less likely they are to have any sort of actual organizing experience or accomplishments and i don't tend to take them very seriously
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Nov 12, 2020 19:55
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“Anne Frank was a Becky” is a very powerful post
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Nov 12, 2020 19:55
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Yeah i don’t organize because its utterly useless in america But go ahead and pretend these “anarchist” protestors actually have a plan other than an outdated theory written by hacks in the 1800s. It’s almost as apalling as Trotskyism
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Nov 12, 2020 19:57
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your utter uselessness to an organization isn’t the same as organization being utterly useless
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Nov 12, 2020 20:00
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hmm it appears i am being trolled
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Nov 12, 2020 20:00
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indigi posted:“Anne Frank was a Becky” is a very powerful post i could post a lot about that group and the group it split from thats still around but i wont. i think its enough to just say: lol
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Nov 12, 2020 20:01
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A4R8 posted:Yeah i don’t organize because its utterly useless in america thank you for all your service posting here
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Nov 12, 2020 20:03
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What can i say america irreversibly sucks rear end and trots and anarchists don’t seem to get it yet But I’m sure voting will fix it 🙄
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Nov 12, 2020 20:04
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im sure A4R8 just sends all their money to overseas socialist movements instead
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Nov 12, 2020 20:06
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voting did fix it sweety, biden won
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Nov 12, 2020 20:08
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who was talking about voting
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Nov 12, 2020 20:08
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A4R8 posted:Yeah i don’t organize because its utterly useless in america i don't think that makes union organizing pointless, since that can improve the lives of workers regardless of the broader political context
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Nov 12, 2020 20:09
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apropos to nothing posted:one time had a phone convo with a dude who wanted to join who was already a member (at least he claimed to be a member) of dsa, cpusa, spusa, and prolly some others too. the whole time he kept wanting to talk about maoism vs marxism leninism vs trotskyism and especially wanting to talk about and hype this fringe group called black hammer who he was really interested in who some may know them from when they called anne frank a becky. through it all he was taking hits off a bong very loudly. i did not call him back but i do think about him a lot when reading twitter and sometimes cspam you did the right thing
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Nov 12, 2020 20:09
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apropos to nothing posted:voting did fix it sweety, biden won You’re in for a rude awakening kiddo
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Nov 12, 2020 20:09
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A4R8 posted:You’re in for a rude awakening kiddo please, wake me up
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Nov 12, 2020 20:11
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apropos to nothing posted:please, wake me up You will when sleepy joe will, and it will be glorious
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Nov 12, 2020 20:12
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indigi posted:sure but neither of these reasonable explanations really address the strong tendency among American leftists to dismiss poo poo like "read theory" and "learn a useful skill" and "maybe go for a walk every day" as elitist bullshit imo this partly derives from a certain (correct in itself) critique of liberalism. liberal ideology tells people they aren't oppressed, they can change their position by making certain decisions - work harder, get a second job, learn to code. but this is bullshit, I don't have the time, or money or just energy to do that, and even if I did I shouldn't have to, to live decently. and this is a fine critique in itself, but a politics of refusing to have demands made on your time can get into difficulty when the topic turns to political work which necessarily makes demands on your time it's also tied to contemporary activism around disability. my brain doesn't work properly, I can't be the kind of disciplined, relentless activist and organiser we could do with more of, any more than a dog can do sums. so there's a strand of refusing the privileging of the ability to do so which doesn't always work well when, again, the ability is specifically needed and the behaviour needs to be encouraged among those who can do it. of course these are just theoretical excesses of valid critiques which most people won't fall into, but posting online can reward staking out silly extreme positions unmoored from the real world (see also above re people who don't have real organising experience), and by selecting the population of radicals you've already selected for people willing to defy received common sense regarding 'read theory' specifically, I personally when I see 'theory' without a qualifier think of impenetrable, dubious tomes by people who have taken 'badly translated french' as a style guide. I don't know how much reaction comes from people unhappy about being lectured by some academic wanker with terrible book recs. but people should definitely study the thing they want to change.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:15
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apropos to nothing posted:please, wake me up WAKE ME UP INSIDE (leftistly)
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Nov 12, 2020 20:23
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the funny thing about the american strand of chauvanist 'culturally' conservative online leftism that the situation is the opposite on the other side of the atlantic. in america left edgelords posture about the sins of 'idpol', but in britain miserablist labour rightists declare that the real working class don't have any truck with 'student politics' and 'frothy coffee', and that their own local party members objecting to their transphobia are 'communists'
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Nov 12, 2020 20:25
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yeah it’s really loving weird to me how transphobic the a lot of the left in the uk are. I’ve talked to comrades over there about it but still don’t quite understand why it’s so prevalent there specifically
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Nov 12, 2020 20:27
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the more i read online the more i think while we definitely need dedicated experienced and relentless organizers to build the movement, we also need just normal people with good politics that will just exist in the world and not be too god drat weird
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Nov 12, 2020 20:30
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Kind of weird that in the cultural milieu of digital discourse whenever someone refers to "the left" I have to guess whether they are referring to leftist orgs, or people posting online
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i was thinking this morning about how politics as entertainment has deeply damaged so many brains and irreparably changed the way people view politics. was thinking about my partner’s grandfather who ruined himself with fox news over the last two decades and it made me think about how much of my entertainment i get from places like cspam. seems like it’s dangerous territory where we consume entertainment composed of the personality cult of bourgeois politics (even if ostensibly we’re critiquing it from the left), and i dont know if it’s avoidable to not implicitly accept their framework of politics when we do that. i dont know what the line is but i’m sort of personally wondering how much of me knowing who john ossof is when i live in texas is just the leftist version of the fox news crank caring about aoc.
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