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Caché is rather iffy as horror (it's more thriller/political drama), but on the other hand it's heavily influenced by Lost Highway and is probably worth a shot. Team Sister Act Kim Jee-woon A Tale of Two Sisters I Saw the Devil John Fawcett Ginger Snaps The Dark Andres Muschietti Mama (2013) It (2017) It : Chapter Two I was trying to throw in a second film for each director; if shorts don't count maybe Kim Jee-woon just has the one, unless "I Saw the Devil" counts. e: Replaced the short with I Saw the Devil Kangra fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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I'm not against shorts, I just personally steer against them and think they should be eligible to "skip" because they're such a different thing to compare and its so hard to separate the parts of an anthology (at least for me). But I have a Team V/H/S entry I'm working on perfecting. I've never seen I Saw The Devil but I've always seen it listed as horror on like every list.
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I would absolutely count I Saw The Devil
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Okay, I'll take out the short since it's unneeded, going with I Saw the Devil as the second movie for Kim Jee-woon.
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Ok, so I realized that with the rules of this one there’s no real rush or fun in nominating the big names because you don’t have to pick 6 movies so you’d just be saying a name and compiling a list. So I went and did that work. Specifically I took the Field of 32 from last tournament, took their played movies aside, and then made up a list of all their horrors on Letterboxd (or nominated last year). I ended up with 11 directors from last year’s pool with 6+ films so I added them automatically to the nomination pool. Here’s the list of directors, you can see their films on the spreadsheet. Feel free to name movies that should be added or distracted. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit#gid=0 Dario Argento Tobe Hooper George Romero Joe Dante Stuart Gordon Brian Yuzna Ishiro Honda William Castle Larry Cohen Roger Corman Lucio Fulci These two directors have 5 and an iffy 6. I dunno. I’ve always kind of thought Edward Scissorshands was horror adjacent but mostly because of the people attached to it. Pacific Rim I wouldn’t consider a horror but with a bunch of other kauji film in it seems viable. But I dunno. Tim Burton (Sleepy Hollow; Frankenweenie) 1. Beetlejuice 2. Mars Attacks! 3. Corpse Bride 4. Dark Shadows 5. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street 6. Edward Scissorhands? 7. Nightmare Before Christmas? Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labrynth; Shape of Water; Devil's Backbone; Blade II) 1. Cronos 2. Crimson Peak 3. Hellboy 4. Hellboy II: The Golden Army 5. Mimic 6. Pacific Rim? That leaves this pool of directors who don’t have 6 films, either because they went deep and burned too many movies, they didn’t have that many to begin with, or in the case of Alfred Hitchcock Letterboxd doesn’t think their movies are horror. So feel free to add movies to them and nominate them or add them to teams or ignore them. Your call. The movies that are ineligible because they got played last year are in the brackets. Brian DePalma (The Fury; Body Double) 1. Sisters 2. Carrie 3. Dressed to Kill 4. Phantom of the Paradise 5. Raising Cain David Cronenberg (Dead Ringers; Shiver; The Fly; Videodrome; Rabid) 1. The Brood 2. Scanners 3. Dead Zone 4. Existenz Alfred Hitchcock (Birds; Vertigo; Rebecca) 1. Psycho 2. Shadow of a Doubt 3. Frenzy David Lynch (Lost Highway; Blue Velvet; Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me; Inland Empire) 1. Eraserhead 2. Mulholland Drive Paul WS Anderson (RE: Afterlife; RE Retribution) 1. Resident Evil 2. Resident Evil: The Final Chapter 3. AVP: Alien vs Predator 4. Event Horizon Bong Joon-Ho (Memories of Murder; Parasite; Host) 1. Mother Bob Clark (Black Christmas; Deathdream) 1. Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Peter Jackson (The Frighteners; Dead Alive/Braindead; Bad Taste) 1. King Kong 2. Heavenly Creatures FW Murnau (Faust; Haunted Castle) 1. Nosferatu Sam Raimi (Army of Darkness; Evil Dead II; Drag Me to Hell) 1. Evil Dead 2. The Gift Ridley Scott (Alien Covenant; Alien; Hannibal) 1. Prometheus James Whale (Invisible Man, Frankenstein) 1. The Old Dark House 2. Bride of Frankenstein STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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You're a gem STAC Goat. I'm having a lot of fun digging up things for this. I know giallos aren't everyone's cup of tea, but I'll Sergio Martino Your Vice Is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key (1972) All the Colors of the Dark (1972) The Suspicious Death of a Minor (1975) Torso (1973) The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh (1971) Mozart Is a Murderer (1999) Scorpion with Two Tails (1982) Island of the Fishmen (1979) Alligator (1979) Mountain of the Cannibal God (1978) I've only seen the top 5 here but Martino is always a fun one. Top Giallo Schmorgasboard Short Night of Glass Dolls (1971) - Aldo Lado Who Saw Her Die? (1972) - Aldo Lado Night Train Murders (1975) - Aldo Lado The Bloodstained Butterfly (1971) - Duccio Tessari Man Without a Memory (1974) - Duccio Tessari Death Laid an Egg (1968) - Giulio Questi Arcana (1972) - Giulio Questi Not seen Night Train Murders, Man Without Memory and Arcana but Aldo Lado is absolutely top tier, BSB is a remarkably good movie and Death Laid An Egg is one weird rear end movie so it should be seen. Sadly couldn't fit in Massimo Dallamano (What Have You Done To Solange), maybe he can be squeezed into some other team.
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I'll participate again, Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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I'd cut Pacific Rim, personally. I know there's been an omnibus acceptance of kaiju in recent horror challenges, and I wasn't part of the original discussion that made that happen but I'd wager it has something to do with how well the original Godzilla works as a horror movie combined with the difficulty of determining without actually watching it whether a given kaiju movie is going to be in that vein or not. Pacific Rim we've seen and suspect we can all agree up front really is not, there's no need to hunt down information about it before you gamble about spending your time on it - it's very comfortably sitting over in action movie land. If that was not in fact the reason and kaiju movies are just in because giant monsters are cool enough to hang out at the horror table even when they are not remotely horror then ok I'm down with that, but PR definitely sticks out.
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Pacific Rim isn't a kaiju movie, either. It's a "jaeger" movie.
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That is a nice succinct way of phrasing my objection to it. Good , well done. Edit: My nomination, because how could we not do it? The numbers are perfect. It's destiny. Team David: David Cronenberg 1. The Brood 2. Scanners 3. Dead Zone 4. Existenz David Lynch 5. Eraserhead 6. Mulholland Drive
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married but discreet posted:Sadly couldn't fit in Massimo Dallamano (What Have You Done To Solange), maybe he can be squeezed into some other team. you could pretty easily make a second giallo/Italian team: What Have You Done To Solange? - Massimo Dallamano The Red Queen Kills Seven Times - Emilio Miraglia The Night Evelyn Came Out of the Grave - Emilio Miraglia Murder Obsession - Riccardo Freda The Iguana With the Tongue of Fire - Riccardo Freda The Perfume of the Lady in Black - Francesco Barilli e: The Fifth Cord - Luigi Bazzoni Maybe a third, although you're going to start scraping the bottom of the barrel at some point. gey muckle mowser fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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I actually think Pacific Rim has more horror bits in it than a lot of other kaiju films but I'm fine with leaving it out, I'm not gonna seriously argue that it's a horror movie.
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Irony.or.Death posted:That is a nice succinct way of phrasing my objection to it. Good , well done. Yeah. And also, it's so tonally an action film. And the lighting choices make the movie so dark you basically never see the monsters. You just know they're there. I'd cut it just because it's just a lackluster movie experience. edit: We need to get TrixRabbi in here. They had a lot of suggestions for the next tournament last thread.
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Basebf555 posted:I actually think Pacific Rim has more horror bits in it than a lot of other kaiju films but I'm fine with leaving it out, I'm not gonna seriously argue that it's a horror movie. It has, like, background story content and monster design that could have been turned into a cool horror movie - I'll absolutely agree with you there. But the executed style/tone/plot is all straight action as far as I can see.
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Irony.or.Death posted:It has, like, background story content and monster design that could have been turned into a cool horror movie - I'll absolutely agree with you there. But the executed style/tone/plot is all straight action as far as I can see. There are some fleeting moments of horror, more so than most kaiju films but I agree not enough to actually make it horror. Mako's flashback is a key moment that is pretty drat scary and closer to horror than most kaiju films get. I also think some of the kaiju attack scenes are at least horror adjacent because you've got these guys fighting a losing battle in the middle of the night out on a huge body of water, and they're dying horrifically.
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I'll give you the flashback, I had forgotten that bit and it is a little different tonally from the rest of the movie. Unrelated: STAC, was there something disqualifying about Miike that he didn't make your last-tournament nominations there or do you just not have time to filter his filmography for what's horror? No blame if it's the latter, I don't know that I'd have time for a task that big either.
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Miike was, like, #2 in the tournament last time, so I assumed he, and Russell, and Yuzna, were all kinda left on the cutting room floor to give spots to three new names.
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I would like to see the heavy hitters make a return. Obviously Russell won't be returning as he doesn't have any films left, but I'd love to explore more Miike films, especially seeing as repeats won't be an issue.
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Franchescanado posted:Miike was, like, #2 in the tournament last time, so I assumed he, and Russell, and Yuzna, were all kinda left on the cutting room floor to give spots to three new names. That would make sense, but STAC did add Yuzna so I don't think that was it.
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It was actually just an accident. I did that list based off of Shreck's original spreadsheet from last time which had the top 32 and the movies they played and didn't. That's why for example Hitchcock has 3 films because those are the ones nominated last time and not played. Since Miike had all 6 of his films played I just skipped him. It wasn't deliberate, I skipped all the directors who had no extra movies like Russell or Jordan Peele. I just blanked that Miike probably has more horror. According to Letterboxd that would be... Takashi Miike 1) Visitor Q 2) Gozu 3) One Missed Call 4) Yakuza Apocalypse 5) Lesson of Evil 6) Izo 7) Terra Formers 8) Full Metal Yakuza 9) Multiple Personality Detective Psycho – Kazuhiko Amamiya Returns 10) Detective Story 11) Silver That seems like more than enough but Miike's a weird one to categorize and I'm not sure about availablity so I'll let one of you folks with more familiarity look it over before I add it. Incidentally I was thinking with "availability" that we might have like a 24 period with each round if somethig isn't available for it to be redrawn from the pool. That struck me when I was adding these ones like Argento and Corman that have so many options. It occurred to me some of them will be hard to find but it should be easy to identify that quickly and just "reroll" since there's such a large pool. edit: It sounds like Pacific Rim is out. I'm tempted to just pair GdT and Burton up since that feels right to me. Except I just realized Nightmare Before Christmas isn't on that list once again asking the age old question. Christmas movie or horror movie? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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STAC Goat posted:edit: It sounds like Pacific Rim is out. I'm tempted to just pair GdT and Burton up since that feels right to me. Except I just realized Nightmare Before Christmas isn't on that list once again asking the age old question. Christmas movie or horror movie? An idea I had was putting GdT with James Whale, the stuff Del Toro still has left has a very gothic feel to it that I think would fit nicely with Old Dark House and Bride of Frankenstein.
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Irony.or.Death posted:That is a nice succinct way of phrasing my objection to it. Good , well done. My only objection to this is I was assuming someone would do "Cronenberg & Son" with Possessor making such a splash. Basebf555 posted:An idea I had was putting GdT with James Whale, the stuff Del Toro still has left has a very gothic feel to it that I think would fit nicely with Old Dark House and Bride of Frankenstein. That definitely works. I was thinking Whale/Browning but that's just based on age and yours does feel more thematically appropriate.
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STAC Goat posted:Incidentally I was thinking with "availability" that we might have like a 24 period with each round if somethig isn't available for it to be redrawn from the pool. That struck me when I was adding these ones like Argento and Corman that have so many options. It occurred to me some of them will be hard to find but it should be easy to identify that quickly and just "reroll" since there's such a large pool. This is a great call. I think it would also be a big help if, not now, but if those of us making teams could take the time to investigate the availability of their choices, that would be a great help. I plan on continuing to stream the films as they come up, so I will be very grateful to know about any potential problem films in advance.
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Anyone added Joel Schumacher yet?
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gey muckle mowser posted:you could pretty easily make a second giallo/Italian team: Aye, adding Emilio Miraglia to Massimo Dallamano for the Giallo B Team What Have You Done to Solange? (1972) Massimo Dallamano Night Child (1975) - Massimo Dallamano What Have They Done to Your Daughters? (1974) - Massimo Dallamano A Black Veil for Lisa (1968) - Massimo Dallamano The Red Queen Kills 7 Times (1972) - Emilio Miraglia The Night Evelyn Came Out of the Grave (1971) - Emilio Miraglia If we're going to run into a limit of contestants I'd have no problem cutting them out again, theres plenty of people who deserve inclusion and we might have more giallo than people can stomach. I was gonna team up Nicolas Roeg with Neil Jordan for a Gentle Brits team but Neil Jordan already has 6 movies so here's him: Neil Jordan The Company of Wolves (1984) Interview with the Vampire (1994) Byzantium (2012) Greta (2019) In Dreams (1999) High Spirits (1988) MacheteZombie posted:Anyone added Joel Schumacher yet? Yup, but there was discussion on whether Phone Booth should be in there.
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married but discreet posted:Yup, but there was discussion on whether Phone Booth should be in there. Weekend was busy and couldn't follow the thread closely Also glad to see some of yall gathering up the yellows.
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STAC Goat posted:In the name of balance if Spielberg has Jurassic Park he probably get gets Lost World too, no? Spielberg also has Something Evil, which is largely overlooked. I don't have time to make full submissions at this minute but here was my list of directors who were completely excluded from the 64-person bracket last time: Andrzej Żuławski, Eli Roth, William Friedkin, Lloyd Kaufman, M. Night Shyamalan, Gore Verbinski, Jesus Franco, Jean Rollin, Ruggero Deodato, Jen & Sylvia Soska, Ben Wheatley, Charles Band, Herbert L. Strock, Fred Olen Ray, Richard Stanley, Shinya Tsukamoto, Joe D'Amato, Hideo Nakata, Takashi Shimizu, Sergio Martino, Tom Holland, Roy Ward Baker, Andy Milligan, Uwe Boll, Richard Franklin, Anthony C. Ferrante, Joe Begos, Amando de Ossorio, Norman J. Warren, Al Adamson, Robert Fuest, Steven Spielberg, Ted Nicolaou, Mark Jones, Nigel Bach, Adam Green, Stephen Sommers, Freddie Francis, Hélène Cattet and Bruno Forzani, Jan Svankmajer, Robert Harmonl José Mojica Marins, Freddie Frances Personally I find the Teams function a little weird and unwieldy but if everyone else wants it then who am I to argue. My pitch was to choose 32 newcomers and 32 Second Chance directors who were eliminated in the first or second rounds last time, but this works too.
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Like Trix Rabbi said, Jean Rollin would be a really fun one to throw in the mix. His output is consistently visual, dreamy, erotic, lesbian vampire-esque stories, but the quality varies from Great to Terrible, and it's fun to figure out which are which. Hell. I'll nominate him right now. Fascination The Living Dead Girl The Nude Vampire The Grapes of Death The Iron Rose Lips of Blood The Night of the Hunted Requiem for a Vampire Lost In New York The Demoniacs Killing Car That's most of his vampire films and then his slasher, his thriller, and a sorta-zombie movie. He also has Zombie Lake, which can be added, but it's really not good.
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And for William Friedkin: The Exorcist Bug Sorcerer Cruising The Guardian Jade Rampage (1987) I know there's room to argue that Sorcerer is more of an adventure film than a horror film, but I think we should include it, because so much of the story is based on thrills and terror, the stakes are constantly life or death, man vs nature or even man vs. god, and the final 1/3rd of the film is basically a dark fantasy, with horror imagery.
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I now realize we are not repeating any films. Critical reading skills. I have them. Sometimes. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Team: Silent Scream Directors: FW Murnau, Robert Wiene, Teinosuke Kinugasa (FW Murnau) Nosferatu (Robert Wiene) The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari The Hands of Orlac Genuine Fear (Teinosuke Kinugasa) A Page of Madness
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Team: Femme Fatale Directors: Claire Denis, Amy Holden Jones, Mary Harron, Antonia Bird, Julia Ducournau, Agnieszka Smoczyńska Trouble Every Day Slumber Party Massacre American Psycho Ravenous Raw The Lure trade talk: MacheteZombie did some trading on our movies/players Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Charles Laughton- night of the hunter Kathryn Bigelow- near dark Fran rubel kuzui - Buffy the vampire slayer Bill gunn - ganja n hess James bond iii - def by temptation Gerard mcmurray- first purge Mati diop - Atlantics Anna biller - love witch (tho viva may be horror) Na Hong-jin - The Wailing Lesley Manning - Ghostwatch Added Ghostwatch and dropped Raw and Revenge. Fran wanted those two for a team hes working on and they fit his theme better. You'll notice a few of my films are newer and so it doesn't feel fair to call dibs on some of them since they're, hopefully, just starting their directorial careers and could do more horror. So as long as I can keep 6 I'm willing to trade out more modern ones I have on my list. Edit: I've been informed I've misinterpreted the rules and since my team is One and Done, I'll only have six eligible films. I'll keep working on it and paring down. MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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Nigel bach - all the bad ben movies
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TrixRabbi posted:Spielberg also has Something Evil, which is largely overlooked. TrixRabbi posted:Personally I find the Teams function a little weird and unwieldy but if everyone else wants it then who am I to argue. My pitch was to choose 32 newcomers and 32 Second Chance directors who were eliminated in the first or second rounds last time, but this works too. married but discreet posted:If we're going to run into a limit of contestants I'd have no problem cutting them out again, theres plenty of people who deserve inclusion and we might have more giallo than people can stomach. Debbie Does Dagon posted:This is a great call. I think it would also be a big help if, not now, but if those of us making teams could take the time to investigate the availability of their choices, that would be a great help. I plan on continuing to stream the films as they come up, so I will be very grateful to know about any potential problem films in advance. Franchescanado posted:
He's still got 5 horror films I'd love to see added. Theoretically he'd have to be paired with someone unless we reject my team thing.
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STAC Goat posted:He's still got 5 horror films I'd love to see added. Theoretically he'd have to be paired with someone unless we reject my team thing. What are they??
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The teams aspect is unwieldy now, but I do think it'll pay off once all the teams are established and we get this thing going. I'm looking forward to having like, a team or two that I will have a rooting interest in just like a real sport. And the fact that most of the teams were put together with some sort of common theme is important, the teams will make sense and won't feel random.
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STAC Goat posted:Everyone preferred keeping the movie draws secret last time so I figured I'd do the same here, but I'm happy to keep you in the loop however ahead of time you want to be. That would be wonderful, thank you. I don't think we need to have the entire tournament set in stone from the beginning, but having notice a week or two prior would be a tremendous help for me.
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Agents Provocateur Brian De Palma Sisters Carrie Phantom of the Paradise Dressed to Kill Raising Cain Paul Verhoeven RoboCop Hollow Man Elle 4th Man Showgirls
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