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Ubuntu - Install all the things from universe nothing can ever go wrong.
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Tankakern posted:looks like they will revert that shell expansion thingie that bash 5 brought in, good riddance wait what behavior? i am apparently using GNU bash, version 5.0.17(1)-release, and i never noticed anything weird or different
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Dec 8, 2020 22:40
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Soricidus posted:ugh. so now what am I supposed to use if I want a grown up distro for servers but I’m too cheap to pay red hat? debian xtal posted:NixOS, same as before i thought it was against the rules to recommend self-harm. mods??? starbucks hermit posted:from what I recall, Amazon Linux 2 doesn't enable selinux and you have to jump through a lot of hoops to enable it. selinux isn't worth the effort. in particular, if you have anything interesting stored on a web server's filesystem, you are doing cloud very, very wrong
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Dec 9, 2020 08:03
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You forget that SELinux is meant to severely restrict what a compromised service can do. Do you have a service on a port, like a database server or application server? SELinux may not protect the service itself (it might, if the exploit depends on syscalls that are disabled) but it can limit the options that a compromised service can take to further compromise the network. https://access.redhat.com/blogs/766093/posts/3557091
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Dec 9, 2020 09:21
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Also, lol at assuming that everything Linux server related is automatically on the cloud and not some dev's unknown server or on-prem service like confluence or an internal application. Or, even more important, a hardware appliance or some other iot device.
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Dec 9, 2020 09:25
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Soricidus posted:ugh. so now what am I supposed to use if I want a grown up distro for servers but I’m too cheap to pay red hat? DigitalOcean has FreeBSD.
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Dec 9, 2020 09:40
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the memes have already started https://centos.rip/
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Dec 9, 2020 13:21
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Soricidus posted:ugh. so now what am I supposed to use if I want a grown up distro for servers but I’m too cheap to pay red hat? SUSE? 
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Dec 9, 2020 14:24
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Truga posted:the memes have already started https://centos.rip/ this is really good. some old-school poo poo
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Dec 9, 2020 15:29
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hmmm, who could have thought ibm would try to get as much cash as possible out of long-term support licensing on a unix server product.
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Dec 9, 2020 15:59
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my stepdads beer posted:or oracle linux lol oel aint that bad
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Dec 9, 2020 17:08
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 Well I guess I'll use Centos 7 for now and hopefully change jobs before its eol. Its extra funny they announced this a week after centos 6 went eol, I'm sure they are a bunch of fresh centos 8 installs made in the last month thinking they'd get 10 years.
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Dec 9, 2020 17:16
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Perplx posted:Its extra funny they announced this a week after centos 6 went eol, I'm sure they are a bunch of fresh centos 8 installs made in the last month thinking they'd get 10 years. I just spent 10 hours migrating our sites from centos 6 to centos 8.
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Dec 9, 2020 19:46
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is there a good hardware video capture device that's supported decently in linux (fedora or debian if we gotta be specific)? i'd be using obs, and computer itself is kind of old (core 2 duo) but i imagine it could handle 720p encoding/streaming on its own i should probably test obs without said hardware beforehand as well, but the idea is that it'd ONLY handle the video stream not whatever i'm streaming
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Dec 9, 2020 19:54
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not like it's the same thing as rhel, but I assume that centos 8 stream is going to be a much more stable and reliable set of packages that something like fedora core is definitely not I'm probably going to migrate a bunch of servers from ubuntu to centos 8 anyway (and centos 8 stream after that), gonna cross my fingers and hope that things go ok. Worse comes to worse, I can migrate back to ubuntu if poo poo really hits the fan.
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Dec 9, 2020 19:57
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i would broadly expect that centos stream will be fine. the point is to give highly paid people who deal with these things the little feeling in their stomach that they may get their sleep or family life interrupted rudely by some poo poo that their rhel-using colleague will never have to deal with. and then downstream knock-ons like e.g. a cloud host needing to be more clear about the difference in what you're running on.
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Dec 9, 2020 20:03
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Share Bear posted:is there a good hardware video capture device that's supported decently in linux (fedora or debian if we gotta be specific)? i'd be using obs, and computer itself is kind of old (core 2 duo) but i imagine it could handle 720p encoding/streaming on its own i've heard good things about the flint 4kp
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Dec 9, 2020 20:03
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Share Bear posted:is there a good hardware video capture device that's supported decently in linux (fedora or debian if we gotta be specific)? i'd be using obs, and computer itself is kind of old (core 2 duo) but i imagine it could handle 720p encoding/streaming on its own https://www.epiphan.com/ is Wendell approved and works without drivers on linux.
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Dec 9, 2020 20:44
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Truga posted:
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The idea of CentOS being something in between Fedora and RHEL update-wise is actually kind of appealing to me, but this quote from Red Hat’s CTO about what CentOS Stream is supposed to be, from a year or so ago, makes this choice seem a lot more ominous than that: https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-introduces-rolling-release-centos-stream/ > To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. This is not a production operating system. It's purely a developer's distro. Wright encourages, "users that want to be more tightly involved in driving the future of enterprise Linux, however, to transition to CentOS Stream as the new 'pace-setting' distribution."
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Dec 9, 2020 21:05
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Perplx posted:https://www.epiphan.com/ is Wendell approved and works without drivers on linux. thank you, but that looks like a standalone device that also costs as much as making a whole new pc would (3.5k starting) maybe the nano will be cheaper? quote:i've heard good things about the flint 4kp also looks good and also offloads encoding, just gotta check that this motherboard has usb3 (this is a very old pc)
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Dec 9, 2020 21:34
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Share Bear posted:thank you, but that looks like a standalone device that also costs as much as making a whole new pc would (3.5k starting) maybe the nano will be cheaper? you have to scroll way down the product page for the cheaper ones, although the cheapest ones are still $400+ https://www.epiphan.com/products/avio-hd/
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Dec 9, 2020 21:42
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starbucks hermit posted:You forget that SELinux is meant to severely restrict what a compromised service can do. Do you have a service on a port, like a database server or application server? SELinux may not protect the service itself (it might, if the exploit depends on syscalls that are disabled) but it can limit the options that a compromised service can take to further compromise the network. ok how do i integrate SELinux policies into my build and deployment pipeline
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Dec 9, 2020 21:50
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starbucks hermit posted:Also, lol at assuming that everything Linux server related is automatically on the cloud and not some dev's unknown server or on-prem service like confluence or an internal application. that is actually the case where i work
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Dec 9, 2020 21:51
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my bitter bi rival posted:The idea of CentOS being something in between Fedora and RHEL update-wise is actually kind of appealing to me, but this quote from Red Hat’s CTO about what CentOS Stream is supposed to be, from a year or so ago, makes this choice seem a lot more ominous than that: it's going to be arch linux with a necktie and anyone who runs it in prod is a clown
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Dec 9, 2020 21:54
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CentOS may be dead, but some other group will make a new CentOS.
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Dec 9, 2020 21:55
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Nomnom Cookie posted:it's going to be arch linux with a necktie and anyone who runs it in prod is a clown 2021 is the year of linux at the circus
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Dec 9, 2020 22:01
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DoomTrainPhD posted:CentOS may be dead, but some other group will make a new CentOS. Humble beginnings https://github.com/hpcng/rocky
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Dec 9, 2020 22:08
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i’ll make the wiki
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Dec 9, 2020 22:23
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Soricidus posted:i’ll make the wiki ill make the gitlab because github is compromised by mikkkro$hit
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Dec 9, 2020 22:30
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embrace, extend, and extinguish
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Dec 9, 2020 22:35
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pram posted:ill make the gitlab because github is compromised by mikkkro$hit i got a couple of r610s ill throw gitea on
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Dec 9, 2020 23:03
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pram posted:oel aint that bad honestly it seems like the best option
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Dec 9, 2020 23:37
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Nomnom Cookie posted:ok how do i integrate SELinux policies into my build and deployment pipeline https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/using_selinux/writing-a-custom-selinux-policy_using-selinux it'll take work on your part to get it working with your processes. Is it worth the pain? It depends on your business, and if you don't have client demand for it then you won't have the resources to integrate and maintain it. Just because your clients don't see the value in it, doesn't mean it has no value to anybody. It just doesn't have value to you. Nomnom Cookie posted:that is actually the case where i work great job being vague
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Dec 9, 2020 23:42
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Truga posted:the memes have already started https://centos.rip/ be sure to click the purchase RHEL button
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Dec 9, 2020 23:49
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starbucks hermit posted:Also, lol at assuming that everything Linux server related is automatically on the cloud and not some dev's unknown server or on-prem service like confluence or an internal application. I think the funniest part is imagining that the random dev's unknown server would have SELinux enforcement enabled.
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Dec 10, 2020 00:08
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it takes more effort to turn it off than to leave it on
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Dec 10, 2020 16:24
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in hindsight, new centos explains how fedora is now defaulting to butterfs while it's being deprecated in rhel lmao
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Dec 10, 2020 17:05
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Truga posted:in hindsight, new centos explains how fedora is now defaulting to butterfs while it's being deprecated in rhel lmao hm no i don't follow
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Dec 10, 2020 18:52
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The_Franz posted:you have to scroll way down the product page for the cheaper ones, although the cheapest ones are still $400+ oh cool thanks
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