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You know what always bugged me? Towards the end of Empire Strikes Back everyone starts pronouncing Han's name differently
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Dec 16, 2020 14:52
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Vinylshadow posted:Exegol also originally had a sunset aesthetic, but they didn't think it was intimidating so they went with the good ol' "obscure everything with smoke and ash" approach instead - although they claimed they tuned it so as to not lose visibility
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Dec 16, 2020 16:13
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Grendels Dad posted:I'm torn on Grievous' OneWheel. On the one hand, it's some Skeletor poo poo. On the other hand, it's some Skeletor poo poo, so who can really say it's bad...
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Dec 16, 2020 16:51
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2house2fly posted:You know what always bugged me? Towards the end of Empire Strikes Back everyone starts pronouncing Han's name differently That was his clone, Haan.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:21
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josh04 posted:I assume the emotional payoff is tied up in however many seasons of buildup and combat, is the point of the series that Maul is completely misguided and wasting his time, such that he eventually heads out into the desert to be put down by an old man he couldn't beat years ago and now can't even go toe-to-toe with? Good action scenes tell a story. The Episode 1 fight was good, not just because it was choreographed cinematically in a good way (if not practically), but because it told so much about the characters and had perfect rising and falling action. Same for the ESB battle between Luke and Vader. On the flip side, the Episode 2 fight; I don't know what the hell any of that was or said about anyone; and 3 was mixed (the infamous gif was a good moment to emphasize how evenly matched they were and how hard they were working to find an opening). Clone Wars > Rebels had a ton of flashy, well choreographed lightsaber fights - Maul/Ahsoka was fantastic because Ray Park mocapped and choreographed it himself, Sidious/Maul+Savage was flashy and fun, Vader/Ahsoka was well done because so much history and emotion behind it. Obi Wan/Maul 4.5 (they fought quite a few times) was great because it told so much of a story and made a great coda to their relationship over the years. They were two completely evenly matched fighters tat had a lot of back and forth of them getting the upper hand on each other over the years when they were younger men in the middle of the Clone Wars. But in the end, with a worn down Maul and an Obi Wan that just sat and self reflected and finally became a more sage like character as opposed to a Knight, his mindset had evolved past Maul's and that's why he finally defeated him. The choreography there is tricky, because, if you pay attention, Maul reverts back to trying the same thing he tried against Qui Gon because he's stuck in the past, while Obi Wan has moved on and counters it. It also ties with Obi Wan always using his first Sith fight to get his two Sith wins (knowing what Anakin would try with the high ground, knowing what Maul would do when attacked like Qui Gon did). There are a lot of layers there besides "swing lightsaber a lot flashy" which was the focus of a ton of fan films. I will admit that the "inflict pain to pull on the dark side" fight in Episode 7 was interesting in the sections where Ben was acting, but not much else was good in the sequels. I'd rather take Guiness' facial acting while fighting Vader and his look at Luke/decision to quit over anything in the sequels, and episode 2 and half of the episode 3 fight. Also why that dumb video that "fixed" the Episode 4 fight was so misguided.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:35
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I completely failed at writing it in a way that sounded sincere, but I was genuinely asking if the point of the scene was meant to be that Maul has wasted his life, Ahab-style, tracking down this old man who has moved way past him - sounds like that's not completely wide of the mark. I'm not sure how I feel with that in the wider context of Star Wars, would have to mull it over.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:50
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I think that fits Maul's character better than making him a mob boss
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Dec 16, 2020 17:56
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josh04 posted:I assume the emotional payoff is tied up in however many seasons of buildup and combat, is the point of the series that Maul is completely misguided and wasting his time, such that he eventually heads out into the desert to be put down by an old man he couldn't beat years ago and now can't even go toe-to-toe with? In that final fight, Maul and Kenobi size each other up. Kenobi sinks into the Chinese-inspired stance he used against Grievous. In response, Maul shifts both hands to an overhand grip on the saber. Kenobi then shifts to the high guard that he and Qui-Gonn both used in their first fight with Maul. Maul takes the bait. Maul throws himself into the fight with a whirling feint, then tries to kill Kenobi with the exact same move he used to kill Qui-Gonn--butting him in the face with his handle so he can deliver a killing blow. Kenobi is expecting it, and literally cuts right through the attack, through Maul's saber, and through Maul. The only thing you need to have seen to understand the scene is Episode I. Kenobi had Maul figured out from the moment Maul changed his grip. Kenobi then baited Maul into thinking he hadn't learned enough from their previous encounter. Kenobi's change in stance was deceptive and put him in the right position to counter Maul's signature move. And that's how fight choreography can tell a story in itself! Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 16, 2020 |
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Dec 16, 2020 18:07
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The interesting part of bringing Maul back seems to be entirely acknowledging that his actual role had long past, and he was discarded, left for dead and replaced by Palpatine without a second thought. And that left him with almost nothing, since he was pretty much at his martial peak and having been kidnapped as a baby and trained his whole life by Palpatine, the Dark Side was all he knew. (and yes, seems something of a counterpoint to the Jedi practice of taking infants to raise as their own) To reach an understanding with your enemy and realise you wasted your life in the final moments of it seems to be a pretty samurai movie thing.
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Dec 16, 2020 18:08
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2house2fly posted:You know what always bugged me? Towards the end of Empire Strikes Back everyone starts pronouncing Han's name differently
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Dec 16, 2020 18:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The interesting part of bringing Maul back seems to be entirely acknowledging that his actual role had long past, and he was discarded, left for dead and replaced by Palpatine without a second thought. And that left him with almost nothing, since he was pretty much at his martial peak and having been kidnapped as a baby and trained his whole life by Palpatine, the Dark Side was all he knew. (and yes, seems something of a counterpoint to the Jedi practice of taking infants to raise as their own) Sounds like a fine start to a fish out of water comedy, too.
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Dec 16, 2020 19:55
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Isometric Bacon posted:I also liked how in contrast to alot of the lame flashy poo poo from the prequels, Obi Wan defeats Grevious ridiculous spinning blades of death poo poo with deft and careful flicks of his wrist. That feels alot more Jedi to me. I hate it when a serious fight between a samurai and a bionicle gets interrupted by something ridiculous.
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Dec 16, 2020 20:13
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josh04 posted:I completely failed at writing it in a way that sounded sincere, but I was genuinely asking if the point of the scene was meant to be that Maul has wasted his life, Ahab-style, tracking down this old man who has moved way past him - sounds like that's not completely wide of the mark. Sam Witwer (VA for Maul) did a quick analysis of the Twin Suns duel at a con that pretty much explains this in compelling fashion imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3vp15a_Bg4
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Dec 16, 2020 20:50
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I liked the part where Darth Maul was cut in half, fell down a hole and died forever. e: "Lucas only cares about selling toys" Lucas: I will literally murder the face of the Episode 1 toy campaign harder than I have ever murdered a character in my entire career.
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Dec 16, 2020 21:48
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Schwarzwald posted:I hate it when a serious fight between a samurai and a bionicle gets interrupted by something ridiculous. It's less the concept and more how silly it is executed. Watching these moments there's always a clear break between scenes with live actors, cut to Wacky Races with Snidely Whiplash. You could blame the CGI but to me it's the editing, storyboarding and cinematography - there's decisions you could choose not to make it not be that awkward.
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Dec 16, 2020 22:22
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Isometric Bacon posted:It's less the concept and more how silly it is executed. Watching these moments there's always a clear break between scenes with live actors, cut to Wacky Races with Snidely Whiplash. I hate it when a serious fight between a samurai and a bionicle comes across as a silly cartoon.
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Dec 16, 2020 22:42
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George Lucas: Critics of 'Star Wars' Prequel Dialogue 'Don’t Understand' the Franchise
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Dec 16, 2020 22:54
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Bongo Bill posted:George Lucas: Critics of 'Star Wars' Prequel Dialogue 'Don’t Understand' the Franchise I buy that explanation. Feels like I've eased up on my criticisms of the prequels over the last few months and mostly found TPM ok on a recent re-watch, despite it still feeling scattershot. Anakin being a little kid remains my biggest issue though. I even re-watched Rogue One a few days ago and came away reaffirming that it's legit a solid action film with crappy characters. I plan to give AOTC and ROTS another go on Christmas Eve.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:00
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So I heard somewhere recently that Timothy Zahn offered to write the Disney Sequel Trilogy but got turned away, any truth to that? 2house2fly posted:You know what always bugged me? Towards the end of Empire Strikes Back everyone starts pronouncing Han's name differently I'll admit it, I did enjoy the Solo throwback to that fact.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:22
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This whole thing about plotting your trilogies in advance is some weird brain worms from the MCU I think. Lucas had plans for Star Wars that were constantly shifting up through ROTJ. He didn’t have some master design that he slavishly adhered to and that’s why it’s a coherent narrative. Plenty of writers/authors manage to write one story after the other without knowing where it’s headed- it’s not terribly difficult or unusual- the MCU approach is much more of an outlier. The failure to plan isn’t why the sequels sucked. They just had lovely writers (or good writers doing a lovely job).
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Dec 17, 2020 00:11
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Bongo Bill posted:George Lucas: Critics of 'Star Wars' Prequel Dialogue 'Don’t Understand' the Franchise Honestly my big takeaway from rewatching the prequels is that Hayden Christensen did a great job throughout Actually two big takeaways, the second being that the prequels are best watched with a young kid who, when Yoda shows up to fight Dooku, will gasp excitedly and say "Yoda!"
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Dec 17, 2020 01:44
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Be the excited viewer you want to see in the theater.
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Dec 17, 2020 01:46
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 This appeared in my email. Isn’t this supposed to be the kickoff of the new “era” that all the “someday” movies are supposed to be based on? It’s like 400-500 years before Phantom Menace or something? Not sure how I feel about Jedi Chewie...
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Dec 17, 2020 01:58
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Cartoon Man posted:
Yep. 'The Acolyte' show announced for Disney+ takes place during the High Republic, and is the first filmic experience from that era for Star Wars. [edit] From io9: quote:All we know of The Acolyte is that it is set in the last days of the High Republic era, and will explore “a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark side powers.” That’s a radically different kind of story to the ones being told in The High Republic’s opening salvo. But they’re also not the only stories that are tackling it already.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:07
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From Amazon.com:quote:It is a golden age. Intrepid hyperspace scouts expand the reach of the Republic to the furthest stars, worlds flourish under the benevolent leadership of the Senate, and peace reigns, enforced by the wisdom and strength of the renowned order of Force users known as the Jedi. With the Jedi at the height of their power, the free citizens of the galaxy are confident in their ability to weather any storm But the even brightest light can cast a shadow, and some storms defy any preparation. yawn
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Dec 17, 2020 02:08
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quote:worlds flourish under the benevolent leadership of the Senate Absolutely disgusting
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Dec 17, 2020 02:14
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A threat hides in the darkness, far from the light of the age, and harbors a secret that could strike fear into even a Jedi’s heart. It’s gonna be Sheeve again, isn’t it? It’s Sheeves all the way down.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:17
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Cartoon Man posted:A threat hides in the darkness, far from the light of the age, and harbors a secret that could strike fear into even a Jedi’s heart. Thankfully, Sheev wasn't born yet.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:22
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teagone posted:Thankfully, Sheev wasn't born yet. plz, it's well known Sheev cloned himself into existence
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Dec 17, 2020 02:24
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teagone posted:Thankfully, Sheev wasn't born yet. What part of "I am all the Sith" do you not understand?
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Dec 17, 2020 02:30
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Like Sheev would let a little thing like being born stop him.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:31
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Absolutely disgusting To be fair it would be entirely believable that the Senate/Republic was not always the thing it was in the prequels. A good author could portray the ancient Republic as practically anything and then show how it lost it's way and fell to the temptations of NeoLiberalism. Of course this is Disney, so of course authors won't be allowed to portray it as anything other than 100% Joe Biden approved NeoLiberal lameness. But you know, theoretically they could make the High Republic anything from a Socialist Workers state to Anarcho-Capitalism in space.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:38
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:plz, it's well known Sheev cloned himself into existence Cartoon Man posted:Like Sheev would let a little thing like being born stop him. These made me laugh.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yix_9g_Ob74 Lots of alternate takes and outtakes I've never seen before.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:56
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Lucas isn’t entirely right- some of the dialogue just doesn’t flow due to the awkwardness of everyone speaking Very Proper. (An example is “As a Senator it will be difficult to convince her to leave”, that’s a dangling participle Ani, you should know better.) But for the most part yes. Much of the dialogue in the prequels is on a par with what you hear in The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad or a Flash Gordon chapter. There is a poetry to this kind of cheese.
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Dec 17, 2020 03:02
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If they wanted to feel authentic to Star Wars' original DNA they should have followed Lucas' lead and jumped further back in the history of science-fiction with their influences when it came to The High Republic. It should've tried to evoked the broader genre weirdness of Golden Age and pre-Golden Age pulp science-fiction and made it about exploring the frontier on the edge of known space, all about the whiz-bang of technology ala the Gernsback era of sci-fi. This just feels like More Generic Star Wars in the same recursive way as TFA.
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Dec 17, 2020 03:38
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feedmyleg posted:If they wanted to feel authentic to Star Wars' original DNA they should have followed Lucas' lead and jumped further back in the history of science-fiction with their influences when it came to The High Republic. It should've tried to evoked the broader genre weirdness of Golden Age and pre-Golden Age pulp science-fiction and made it about exploring the frontier on the edge of known space, all about the whiz-bang of technology ala the Gernsback era of sci-fi. Don’t forget they’re giving “Not-Chewie” a lightsaber to sucker in the nerds.
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Dec 17, 2020 03:45
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Cartoon Man posted:
This looks and sounds absolutely soulless, right down to the obvious pandering of "jedi not-chewie wielding a lightsaber with a crossguard just like Kylo Ren". They squandered the good will and potential of the series that TFA bought them and now they're going to do the same with the Mandalorian. Good grief.
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Dec 17, 2020 04:10
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My favorite part about the book sample is when the minister of defense snidely mentions that they'd be fine against the system wide Holdo maneuver if the PM wasn't such a budget cutting pacifist
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Dec 17, 2020 04:21
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Jedi Not-Chewie just screams Disney executive meddling. Like the author probably finished a near final version and some mid tier Disney executive said “gently caress that! Put in a fake Chewie with a lightsaber or you don’t get paid!”
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Dec 17, 2020 04:23
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