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glynnenstein posted:If there's enough clearance at the top for the door to be shimmed or the pivot raised it won't be a big deal to get it working. You do want to have the door mechanics or folks with experience to do it, though; doors are particular with a lot of simple tricks you need to know. That was my first thought, but looking at the other door, there doesn't seem to be any sort of gap there. Obviously they should remove the door from the frame and grind off a quarter inch from the bottom. Problem solved. Buttchocks posted:Can't they just lower the carpet? Raise the rest of the building.
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Eh, they're just a bit behind on mowing it.
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Aren't doors supposed to swing out? Like for fire safety?
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Dec 22, 2020 22:14
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Majere posted:Aren't doors supposed to swing out? Like for fire safety? I had it explained to me once that it actually depends on your local weather. Heavy snowfall areas need the door to swing inward so you're not blocked in by a huge snowberm. Windy areas require the door to swing out so it doesn't blow open. If you have high winds and heavy snow... Buy saloon doors I guess? 
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Dec 23, 2020 04:54
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The house i grew up in had a "storm door" Which was a lightweight door (rich people had them made of glass) which swung outwards, while the regular door swung inwards. Which gave you the worst of both worlds i guess?
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Dec 23, 2020 05:00
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I loving hate executive orders. It also the illusion of change or policy or progress, but when the next dude can just undo it or worse the same dude can just go back a week later. Anyway I kinda agree with the idea that government building should "be pretty" but that EO is such trash.
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Dareon posted:I had it explained to me once that it actually depends on your local weather. Heavy snowfall areas need the door to swing inward so you're not blocked in by a huge snowberm. Windy areas require the door to swing out so it doesn't blow open. If you have high winds and heavy snow... Buy saloon doors I guess? No. Maybe for a house, but not an American commercial property. I can't say why that building doesn't. Generally the main entrance is considered a fire exit, and that will need to swing outwards. People tend to use the same door they came in to exit in an emergency, because they are familiar with it. Any newer venue you visit has what seems like too many entrance doors. Movie theaters are a great example. This place might have a lower occupancy that it's not required, and it is more convenient for the users if the door swings in. Like if you're coming in with bags and boxes all the time and leave empty handed, and would anticipate exiting via a stairwell in an emergency. Still surprising that it's swinging in, it's almost always easier to just follow the code blindly and without trying for exemptions or be clever with things like that.
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StormDrain posted:No. Maybe for a house, but not an American commercial property. I can't say why that building doesn't. Generally the main entrance is considered a fire exit, and that will need to swing outwards. People tend to use the same door they came in to exit in an emergency, because they are familiar with it. Any newer venue you visit has what seems like too many entrance doors. Movie theaters are a great example. I don't know if it's the reason, but the first thing that came to my mind is that houses have doors that swing inward because that puts the hinges on the inside, which is more securable.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I don't know if it's the reason, but the first thing that came to my mind is that houses have doors that swing inward because that puts the hinges on the inside, which is more securable. Modern exterior door hinges have a security tang on them thst makes it hard to remove the door by pulling the pins. Also hinges can have non removable pins. I think the inswing exterior doors on residential is more about tradition and convenience than anything else. For example, if a heavy snow will block the door, a porch or roof is a better solution, since you get a clear space at the entrance no matter what.
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MRC48B posted:The house i grew up in had a "storm door" I thought storm doors were so you could prop the main door open, but get airflow because they had screens built in. Then you don't get bugs inside during the summer. The first time I moved into a house without screens on the windows, I wondered if I'd ended up in a 3rd world country.
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StormDrain posted:Modern exterior door hinges have a security tang on them thst makes it hard to remove the door by pulling the pins. Also hinges can have non removable pins. Outward opening doors are also slightly more resistant to being kicked in. With the trade off that some attacks on the locks themselves are easier without additional hardware.
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Deviant Ollam did an amazing talk about doors and keeping them safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YYvBLAF4T8 E: It's really engaging and I would def set aside fiddy minutes to watch this vid, it's pretty drat good. spookykid fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Live in Finland and we get snow (not as much anymore due to climate change) and all doors open outwards here. But I guess we don't get as much snow in a single instance as people in the US and Canada might, the snowbelt or whatever it's called, the great lakes contribute to weather patterns I understand that cause a lot of snow fall.
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spookykid posted:Deviant Ollam did an amazing talk about doors and keeping them safe: I also love this presentation and it made me realize that my door knobs were backwards and the largest hole strike plates were installed by the landlord in my previous house. I forever treated the bottom lock as though it was useless because I could get in with a piece of mail. A $2 o-ring hook ground on the sides to be extra thin makes an amazing tool to slip locks btw. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I don't know if it's the reason, but the first thing that came to my mind is that houses have doors that swing inward because that puts the hinges on the inside, which is more securable. PRO TIP: Don't use poo poo hinges?
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CarForumPoster posted:I also love this presentation and it made me realize that my door knobs were backwards and the largest hole strike plates were installed by the landlord in my previous house. I forever treated the bottom lock as though it was useless because I could get in with a piece of mail. Generally the only lock worse than the knob locks are the ones for screen doors. Your deadbolt is better but is going to be limited by the door frame. Most plates for it aren't secured very deeply and if you hit the door hard enough the frame breaks. They do make kits with slightly large plates and longer screws to distribute some force into the framing of the house instead of expecting the door frame to take it all. One of the other upsides of an outward facing door is I can put plates to cover the lower lock. This increases the difficulty of popping the lower lock significantly. If someone has a slim jim or another long thin tool they can still open it. But it will eliminate credit cards, bits of mail, or other small tools that don't look suspicious.
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Thomamelas posted:Generally the only lock worse than the knob locks are the ones for screen doors. Your deadbolt is better but is going to be limited by the door frame. Most plates for it aren't secured very deeply and if you hit the door hard enough the frame breaks. They do make kits with slightly large plates and longer screws to distribute some force into the framing of the house instead of expecting the door frame to take it all. One of the other upsides of an outward facing door is I can put plates to cover the lower lock. This increases the difficulty of popping the lower lock significantly. If someone has a slim jim or another long thin tool they can still open it. But it will eliminate credit cards, bits of mail, or other small tools that don't look suspicious. Someone wasting all that time on a door just is'n't thinking hard enough about how to get into a house. Most homes have windows. Without bars. Even with bars, walls are trivially easy to get through. Way easier than a door with even a moderately decent lock. Certainly easier than trying to bash even a moderately decent exterior door open.
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This is why I live in a windowless concrete cube, hidden underground with only a hatch. I have no valuables and nobody knows where it is. It does get tedious typing the numbers into the machine every 108 minutes.
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Motronic posted:Someone wasting all that time on a door just is'n't thinking hard enough about how to get into a house. Most homes have windows. Without bars. Even with bars, walls are trivially easy to get through. Way easier than a door with even a moderately decent lock. Certainly easier than trying to bash even a moderately decent exterior door open. Doors tend to represent the most common access point for breaking in. Admitted a big part of that is people leaving doors unlocked or spare keys in things that are pretty obviously spare key holders. Seriously, plastic rocks don't look like regular rocks. But doors get forced open pretty regularly. For other entry points, they can be reinforced as well. 3M makes a wonderful film that makes it fairly hard to break glass. It's not impossible but while someone will ignore the sound of a broken window, someone whacking at a window repeatedly draws attention. The locks on windows can be upgraded too. Since opening a window is slightly more preferable to breaking one. Sliding doors in the rear can get the same treatment along with better locks. Break ins through the wall tend to be rare for residential break ins but it's not unknown for commercial. It's not that going through a wall with a sedge hammer is hard but it is a bit more time consuming to get a hole big enough for most people to fit through. And it draws attention. In a warehouse area there is very little attention to draw but in a residential neighborhood it becomes more likely. Garage doors don't tend to be the most common entry point but it happens. Automatic timers to shut the door, shielding the emergency release from outside fiddling and improving the garage door lock itself. If your goal is to prevent home break in then you look at ways to make it take longer. If you're protecting against other threats like stalking then you look at adding additional things. Of course there is that one sick gently caress who comes in through the chimney. loving around with stockings and grooming little kids. Haven't found a way to stop him yet.
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Ups_rail posted:I loving hate executive orders. It also the illusion of change or policy or progress, but when the next dude can just undo it or worse the same dude can just go back a week later. PWA Moderne (aka Federal Modernism aka Stripped Classicism) is the best government building style but I'm sure it's off the list because it was originally sponsored by  socialism .
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StormDrain posted:This is why I live in a windowless concrete cube, hidden underground with only a hatch. I have no valuables and nobody knows where it is. It does get tedious typing the numbers into the machine every 108 minutes.  I just miss using that smilie
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Thomamelas posted:Of course there is that one sick gently caress who comes in through the chimney. loving around with stockings and grooming little kids. Haven't found a way to stop him yet. Judaism works.
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StormDrain posted:Judaism works. That can be severally weakened by cultural exposure. Although Mensch on a Bench is much better than the Elf on a Shelf who really should be a Snitch in a Ditch.
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Motronic posted:Someone wasting all that time on a door just is'n't thinking hard enough about how to get into a house. Most homes have windows. Without bars. Even with bars, walls are trivially easy to get through. Way easier than a door with even a moderately decent lock. Certainly easier than trying to bash even a moderately decent exterior door open. If somebody breaks into my first-floor apartment on a densely populated street by chiseling through two air-gapped layers of brick that was put up 100 years ago, they have earned whatever they may find inside.
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Hollow Talk posted:If somebody breaks into my first-floor apartment on a densely populated street by chiseling through two air-gapped layers of brick that was put up 100 years ago, they have earned whatever they may find inside. Years ago when I worked for the congregation, some people (must've been more than one just because no single person could've achieved it fast enough) broke into a graveyard chapel at night by dismantling enough of a brick wall to get in and steal the "safe" inside. The "safe" was a locked cabinet containing some communion wine, which isn't even particularly good.
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Hollow Talk posted:If somebody breaks into my first-floor apartment on a densely populated street by chiseling through two air-gapped layers of brick that was put up 100 years ago, they have earned whatever they may find inside. Similar has happened before. And I bet you'd be astonished at how quick of work a 10 lb sledge makes it. Regardless, I'm obviously not discussing ALL situations here, but addressing the vast numbers of people who fixate on doors and locks that they have intsalled into their pine 2x6 framed house where the only thing between the outside and inside the next stud bay over is vinyl siding, a 5/8" piece of reconstituted sawdust, some fluffy fiberglass and a piece of sheetrock.
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the people across the street had a kitchen fire a few years ago the fire department was at the time maybe a quarter-mile away, so they showed up nearly instantly. it took two kicks for a fireman to open the front door, but only because he didn't get a solid hit the first time
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Motronic posted:Similar has happened before. And I bet you'd be astonished at how quick of work a 10 lb sledge makes it. I would be extremely pissed if someone broke into my house by going through the wall. Especially since all they'd have to do right now is lift the Tyvek up far enough to come through the giant hole.
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Vinyl siding would be a significant security improvement over the rotten 1/2" sheathing on my house. But no one would bother given that 75% of the front is single paned plate glass.
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My security feature is that you have to go up like three flights of lovely uneven stairs to get to my house, while all the houses across the street are ground level. If that doesn't work, I'd spend more money on all the better doors/locks/window treatments than I have in my house to steal. Joke is on you, burglars, all my money has been transformed into incremental improvements to an 150 year old house!
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Youth Decay posted:PWA Moderne (aka Federal Modernism aka Stripped Classicism) is the best government building style but I'm sure it's off the list because it was originally sponsored by  Alls I want from government buildings is more use of those steel letters that all the mid-century post offices use. You know the one.
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Ashcans posted:My security feature is that you have to go up like three flights of lovely uneven stairs to get to my house, while all the houses across the street are ground level. If that doesn't work, I'd spend more money on all the better doors/locks/window treatments than I have in my house to steal. Joke is on you, burglars, all my money has been transformed into incremental improvements to an 150 year old house! How much has it improved then?
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My old apartment was protected by being on the 5th floor with no elevator. No AC so we just left the windows open half the year. We had one stove burner and no microwave and sat on the floor. It was wonderful (when you're young and busy.)
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peanut posted:My old apartment was protected by being on the 5th floor with no elevator. No AC so we just left the windows open half the year. We had one stove burner and no microwave and sat on the floor. It was wonderful (when you're young and busy.) It took me a bit to remember we were talking about protection from burglaries and not the Terrible Secret of Space.
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There was a jewelry store here that got broken into a few years back and as far as I know the thieves weren't caught. Rather than bust into the store itself, they broken into the pet groomers next door, who had a much more minimalist security system, then broke through the shared wall into the jewelry store. Made off with a bunch of loot.
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On the topic of security, how much of a deterrent do you guys think security cameras are? And should they be highly visible, or more discreet?
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It's not a deterrent if people don't see it.
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Subtle cameras are for identification after the fact. Big honkin 1984 surveillance boxes are for making someone think twice before going ahead with it.
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Green Intern posted:Subtle cameras are for identification after the fact. Big honkin 1984 surveillance boxes are for making someone think twice before going ahead with it. I would be very intimidated by a camera that honked at me, yes.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:
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