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Watch an episode before declaring it's the worst
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:They better not write out Domon I think you meant: By my aged grandmother, they do better not be cutting Domon!
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RC Cola posted:Watch an episode before declaring it's the worst You must not be familiar with the internet
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Dec 25, 2020 03:25
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awesmoe posted:That’s a super dumb reason to reject something, who cares if it’s telling a different story as long as that story is good Yeah, yeah, I've had this discussion before. And everyone generally lands opposite of me on this, that the fine details aren't as important as general tone and plot and quality of production, so I can admit I am that guy and should just deal. But goddamnit I don't want a different story, I want *thumps the spine of EoTW* this on *thumps television* this. There's a right way to do a book adaptation (The Expanse, Good Omens, the first four seasons of GoT) and a wrong way (Preacher, American Gods, the last four seasons of GoT). Adapting the source material to be watchable is acceptable. Adapting to put the showrunner's own unique twist on it is not acceptable. I want to watch the book on TV, not the showrunner's AU fanfic thereof. I'll shut up about it now, because I know I'm about to get hit by a bunch of backlash because popular opinion says I'm wrong and dumb and have bad opinions. But what I've seen is telling me I'm not going to be pleasantly surprised by WoT the series.
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Dec 25, 2020 03:27
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I might be pleasantly surprised but the show but it's definitely falling down my list of "give a poo poo" the further they talk about "well we can't include large sections of the book because it's on tv" when I know plenty of cleverer showrunners somehow managed. Like half the loving point of EotW is directly paralleling and subverting Tolkien's LotR in one novel. If the show can't manage to be held up next to LotR and compared, because half or more of the locations that you might want to compare are on the cutting room floor, that's going to be a substantially different tale.
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Dec 25, 2020 03:49
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the main issue in wanting exactly 100% what's in the books and nothing more and nothing less to be translated to screen is that there's stuff that honestly will not translate well and will actively make something worse as an overall experience for pretty much everyone involved like i can honestly say that wheel of time has a chance to avoid a pitfall of game of thrones and just excise the lovely and dumb implied/actual sexual assault bits and nothing of value would be lost. i would say there's no point in giving much a poo poo until the show actually starts coming out, at which point we'll actually be in a position to judge things instead of doing preemptive 5d chess to determine the quality of a thing that doesn't exist yet.
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Dec 25, 2020 03:51
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rndmnmbr posted:Yeah, yeah, I've had this discussion before. And everyone generally lands opposite of me on this, that the fine details aren't as important as general tone and plot and quality of production, so I can admit I am that guy and should just deal. That's not to say that it will necessarily be bad, just that it's not what I want.
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Dec 25, 2020 03:58
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I hope they didn't mix it up with warder color-shifting cloaks
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Dec 25, 2020 04:21
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Bruceski posted:I hope they didn't mix it up with warder color-shifting cloaks that kinda sounds like something Harriet would be able to nix easily enough
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Dec 25, 2020 04:31
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If the episode title leaks are to be believed it sounds like they’re gonna go warp speed through books one and two. Doesn’t sound like they have much faith they can milk it for very long.
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Dec 25, 2020 05:23
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That's unfortunate. I would have liked to see His Dark Materials style since there's so much to go through, but that's hardly surprising.
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rndmnmbr posted:Yeah, yeah, I've had this discussion before. And everyone generally lands opposite of me on this, that the fine details aren't as important as general tone and plot and quality of production, so I can admit I am that guy and should just deal. i dont think there's anything dumb in wanting the books exactly, i would be pretty hype for that. but i think its dumb to reject a series without watching it just because it isnt the series exactly, because it might be good on its own merits (i mean, spoiler, it's not gonna be good, but i'm talking hypothetically here)
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Dec 25, 2020 05:30
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Make Mat Bi and Rand NB Slay your sacred cows Let the Lord of Chaos rule
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Invalid Validation posted:If the episode title leaks are to be believed it sounds like they’re gonna go warp speed through books one and two. Doesn’t sound like they have much faith they can milk it for very long. I'm not saying I'm the guy for the job, but book one and two are obviously the first and second half of the first season of any tv script of this show that has any hope of getting to the end. 3 and 4, then 5, 6, and 7, 8-11 and 2 seasons on 12-end if you're lucky, 1 if you aren't. 5 seasons on the safe side is still pretty high expectations. Maybe 4+5.1 and 5.2. There has to be a lot of cuts and consolidation to make this happen. I'm willing to await the product before passing judgement, though judgement will Aiel style.
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Dec 25, 2020 05:44
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:narg kills rand I have won again, Lews Therin.
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Dec 25, 2020 05:49
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silvergoose posted:I have won again, Lews Therin. loooooooooser
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silvergoose posted:I have won again, Lews Therin. They could legit make a spin-off show that is all the alternate realities from the Great Hunt, and it would be amazing. On reread, I was blown away by the quality of that book.
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Dec 25, 2020 05:57
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Nihilarian posted:Make Mat Bi and Rand NB 
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Nihilarian posted:Make Mat Bi and Rand NB Make Min a guy who dresses in drag
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rndmnmbr posted:Yeah, yeah, I've had this discussion before. And everyone generally lands opposite of me on this, that the fine details aren't as important as general tone and plot and quality of production, so I can admit I am that guy and should just deal. I agree with this 100%.
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rndmnmbr posted:Yeah, yeah, I've had this discussion before. And everyone generally lands opposite of me on this, that the fine details aren't as important as general tone and plot and quality of production, so I can admit I am that guy and should just deal.
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The Lord Bude posted:I agree with this 100%.  At first my attitude was that I just wanted things to look and sound right, since there's such detailed descriptions of distinctive regional outfits and accents, and I have trouble sometimes actually parsing those descriptions into a coherent picture. I knew there'd be cuts and condensations in fitting the story to budgets of the screen. Over time, and especially as actual adaptation choices get revealed, I start to move into the full-text camp. I mean a loving guitar. The Glumslinger posted:Make Min a guy who dresses in drag Make Min a guy who doesn't dress in drag, which scandalizes everyone.
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Dec 25, 2020 09:49
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Oh fer gently caress's sake. This story is unfilmable without changes. It would take thousands of actors and like twenty years to do and would cost like 10 times the budget the show actually has. Compromises have to be made. There is literally no way around it. If a guitar is enough for you to declare it the worst thing ever, the Light help us when you see locations and characters merged or cut entirely. 
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buffalo all day posted:I’d argue TGH is the most SF influenced - there are like 3 separate explorations of parallel worlds - the portal stone flickering, the entire interlude in the empty world, and the accepted tests that occur, which definitely is unusual in a fantasy book like this. Fun fact, there's someone posting a bunch of excerpts from RJ's notes on Tumblr and, if they're to be believed, the original plan might have been even more alternate-dimensiony, in that the Dark One is literally just an evil wizard from another dimension that researchers in the Age of Legends got in contact with and accidentally let in. (also, Thom's Guitar implies that Rand spends a book or so wandering around with a guitar case he never opens, like El loving Mariachi.)
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Would it have been hard to keep it a harp or flute or some fantasy cliche instrument? It’s a weird decision to promote.
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Occam's razor, I think it's more that they tried to work out how it would actually, physically sound to have this center-of-attention musical-performance character jump up on a table like a badass, colors flying, non-diegetic music crescendoing while everyone gasps in anticipation of his big rockin debut, and he starts playing a ... harp Someone said "You know what, this is just gonna come off as fuckin ridiculous, give him a guitar at least"
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I’m not sure they actually read the dorky rear end poems that were in the books cause those are super fantasy harp ballads.
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It's probably easier to have the dude pretend to play guitar than pretend to play a harp, especially if he has any familiarity with the instrument at all. IDK, I'm not crazy about some of the changes but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at least until we see some actual footage.
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Dec 25, 2020 16:17
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Thoms actor apparently plays guitar and sings already
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Mat Cauthon posted:It's probably easier to have the dude pretend to play guitar than pretend to play a harp, especially if he has any familiarity with the instrument at all. Imagine if they ruin Mat
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RC Cola posted:Imagine if they ruin Mat Do not even suggest such a thing.
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It just seems like actor/harpists would be a lot harder to come by imo so I imagine practicality played a part
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jng2058 posted:Oh fer gently caress's sake. This story is unfilmable without changes. It would take thousands of actors and like twenty years to do and would cost like 10 times the budget the show actually has. Compromises have to be made. There is literally no way around it. If a guitar is enough for you to declare it the worst thing ever, the Light help us when you see locations and characters merged or cut entirely. I don't feel that strongly about it, really, I just want to offer support for goons who do because I get how they feel.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Do not even suggest such a thing. i feel like mat will probably be one of the safest characters when it comes to the transition to the screen, so, i wouldn't worry
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Johnny Joestar posted:i feel like mat will probably be one of the safest characters when it comes to the transition to the screen, so, i wouldn't worry Hes gonna be a midget wisecracking horse
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It’s not that they changed the instrument; it’s that a guitar is an anachronistic instrument that is never once mentioned in the text. It doesn’t make sense in universe. Also i feel it fundamentally changes the character if he randomly joins up later instead of being part of the initial group. That’s a far bigger change that they’ve made.
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