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Castaign posted:
I wrote a long reply to this but to summarize: You don't know me and don't get to assume I'm a hypocrite to tone police me. gently caress off. EDIT: I'm angry and tired because we didn't get to have a family Christmas since we're trying to do the right thing. I'm out. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 22:25 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I am so tired. I totally understand quarantine fatigue. I get it. The last time I had human contact was so long ago and I am running my tiny farm completely alone. Every time I go out I'm in danger because I'm in the 7th-worst infected state in the US, which is saying something. If I get sick, there is no one else to care for the farm, but people still insist on standing 3" behind me in line and coughing all over my shoulders. Why are people insisting on going into stores instead of using delivery and curbside pickup? You're going after other people for their treatment of the pandemic but still hanging out in indoor spaces with large groups of people.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 22:32 |
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Crackbone posted:I wrote a long reply to this but to summarize: You don't know me and don't get to assume I'm a hypocrite to tone police me. gently caress off. Not actually trying to tone police, and it wasn't my intent to make you feel angry; I'm sorry you (and so many other people) are suffering.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 22:32 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why are people insisting on going into stores instead of using delivery and curbside pickup? You're going after other people for their treatment of the pandemic but still hanging out in indoor spaces with large groups of people. I don't have the option for delivery but I do curbside when it's available. It's just not available in most places here. I get everything I need and run as fast as I can, wearing an n95 mask, glasses, and said hoodie. Additionally, some of our curbside shoppers have been spotted maskless and coughing into bags so, welp. E: I will say it's only happened twice, but the fact that it happened is nuts. You're welcome to look at curbside pickup for Waynesboro, GA. There's 1 place. It's Tractor Supply. Augusta, GA is a little better: Kroger, TSC, Lowes, Home Depot, and some of the Walmarts.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 22:39 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Additionally, some of our curbside shoppers have been spotted maskless and coughing into bags so, welp. jfc. Yeah, okay, maybe I do tend to err too much on the side of "try to avoid frothing in rage." Maybe a bit more frothing is in order.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:00 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why are people insisting on going into stores instead of using delivery and curbside pickup? You're going after other people for their treatment of the pandemic but still hanging out in indoor spaces with large groups of people. Thing is, with those options, while you are eliminating risk for yourself, someone is having to navigate the store or warehouse to get your order together for you and they are taking on that exposure risk instead.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:04 |
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Helith posted:Thing is, with those options, while you are eliminating risk for yourself, someone is having to navigate the store or warehouse to get your order together for you and they are taking on that exposure risk instead. Sure, but if 20 people order, one person goes through the warehouse for all of them. If they all go themselves, they'll all meet in the store, thus obviously increasing the risk of spreading the virus. There's certainly an argument to be made about the role of underpaid warehouse and delivery workers in this whole situation, but it's not an argument about disease transmission.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:09 |
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Castaign posted:My point was "hey, one of the last times someone was screaming about another posters' risky behavior it turned out that they were doing something that was also pretty close to the same spot on the risky behavior axis. I get it but these are bad posts too.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:15 |
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Scarodactyl posted:Those two things weren't even close either. I guess that given the response I've garnered, I can't argue that my posts in this thread are anything other than terrible, but I still don't think golf is substantially higher risk than a drive through. They both seem pretty low risk to me. TBF, I haven't golfed since a gym unit in middle school. If golf is now full contact, open mouth, then I'll definitely rescind that statement.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:33 |
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I tried curbside once and they got at least 25% of the order wrong, when I went in to check I found the stuff I asked for just fine and ended up taking longer when inside to swap out whatever they tried to get replacements of (I asked for regular steel cut oats and instead was given the instant packets full of microwave oatmeal). The produce that was picked out was like the week old poo poo they couldn't get rid of so no, curbside doesn't really solve the issue.
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:35 |
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Stay at home and eat your neighbors after they succumb to covid. The virus can't survive cooking temperatures for too long, it can be beaten!
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:37 |
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Am I correct in understanding that there is no evidence that the current US vaccine stops transmissibility? Does it stop you from getting covid or just prevent you from developing symptoms that can damage your body?
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:47 |
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Sanctum posted:Am I correct in understanding that there is no evidence that the current US vaccine stops transmissibility? Does it stop you from getting covid or just prevent you from developing symptoms that can damage your body? With the moderna vaccine, there's evidence that it prevents infection and transmission. But the effectiveness is under 70% for that aspect, much lower than the 90+% reduction in symptoms. With Pfizer we don't have data one way or the other, but since the vaccines are similar this aspect should also be similar. People who don't have symptoms are definitely less infectious than symptomatic people, but it's again unclear how big the difference really is (and what it would be if the person is not taking precautions because they're vaccinated).
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:58 |
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Sanctum posted:Am I correct in understanding that there is no evidence that the current US vaccine stops transmissibility? Sanctum posted:Does it stop you from getting covid or just prevent you from developing symptoms that can damage your body?
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# ? Dec 25, 2020 23:59 |
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pidan posted:With the moderna vaccine, there's evidence that it prevents infection and transmission. But the effectiveness is under 70% for that aspect, much lower than the 90+% reduction in symptoms. Do you have a link for the <70% figure? I haven't seen anything conclusive on either vaccine's impact on transmission.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:12 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I haven't gone anywhere non-essential since march. It's this. I hope you are holding up ok.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:14 |
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feel free to destroy my bussy with facts and logic, but isn't it safer to do the shopping yourself instead of delivery? seems like in either case, you're adding 1 person to the store, and if that one person is you, you can guarantee they're using effective PPE and following sanitation protocol as opposed to someone who is probably using a standard-issue face diaper instead of proper respirator and also racks up contacts with others as part of their job
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:27 |
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Strep Vote posted:It's this. I hope you are holding up ok. My neighbors who were covid positive in november had 4 cars of people over. The neighbor on the other side is an elderly lady who cried when Trump lost. She only had three cars over. Her son, daughter in law, granddaughter, and grandson almost died to covid earlier this year. It is mostly poo poo like this that gets to me versus the alone factor. I don't understand how people with crosses in their yards, who croon about going to church, care so little about the harm they are causing. Because down here in the south that's supposed to be a barometer for how decent a person is. It never has been, really, but the perception is there, you know?
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:30 |
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Stunt_enby posted:feel free to destroy my bussy with facts and logic, but isn't it safer to do the shopping yourself instead of delivery? seems like in either case, you're adding 1 person to the store, and if that one person is you, you can guarantee they're using effective PPE and following sanitation protocol as opposed to someone who is probably using a standard-issue face diaper instead of proper respirator and also racks up contacts with others as part of their job Safer (or close to the same) for you personally, but in the aggregate delivery results in less people interacting with each other overall since a single delivery person will shop for and deliver to multiple clients.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:31 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:Shopping for food is literally required to survival unless you hunt and gather potatoes, giving your aging mom a hug of death isn't. wait, are we not supposed to buy groceries or get fast food? are people without access to no-contact delivery services supposed to just die of starvation or what?
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:41 |
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No Pants posted:wait, are we not supposed to buy groceries or get fast food? are people without access to no-contact delivery services supposed to just die of starvation or what? I made a dumb argument that hinged on the fact that going grocery shopping in person was not zero risk. I have regrets.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 00:54 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why are people insisting on going into stores instead of using delivery and curbside pickup? You're going after other people for their treatment of the pandemic but still hanging out in indoor spaces with large groups of people. I really only go in person because I want to pick out my produce myself, rather than trusting someone else to pick out good veggies/fruits.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 01:26 |
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Out of my rear end math: Census bureau says 123 million households in the US. Let's say the average instacart/amazon employee can deliver 10 houses a day, which makes 70 per week. This is being conservative. 123,000,000/70=1.8 million, rounding up Not all of those would catch covid, but let's assume they did. They're probably also young and healthy, but let's ignore that as well. Going with the common assumption of 2% deaths that would be 36,000 dead. Except it would be a lot fewer than that because I used worse case scenario.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 01:39 |
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Delivery fees are a goddamn poor tax. That's why I go to the store.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 01:40 |
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Pinche Rudo posted:Is that dog show going on illegally? Because SoCal is under shelter in place and gatherings are not permitted That's a really good question. It's in Chino on the 9th and I'm going to do some research, make some calls. IT'S BULL poo poo
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 02:00 |
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No Pants posted:wait, are we not supposed to buy groceries or get fast food? are people without access to no-contact delivery services supposed to just die of starvation or what? You wear your N95/KN95 masks when you go to the store, and then keep minimum 3' (preferably 6') distance at all times KN95 are expensive, but not that expensive, like $20/10, and you can reuse them they're just more like KN75 after four trips to the grocery store My local hardware store had a pack of 10 niosh certified N95 masks for $100 pretty pricey but unless somebody coughs directly on your eyeballs you're not getting covid at the grocery store Doing your grocery shopping 15 minutes before close is a good way to minimize exposure as well
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 02:56 |
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Spinz posted:That's a really good question. It's in Chino on the 9th and I'm going to do some research, make some calls. IT'S BULL poo poo Go with her, then immediately pull it fire alarm when you arrive
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 02:57 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:It is mostly poo poo like this that gets to me versus the alone factor. I don't understand how people with crosses in their yards, who croon about going to church, care so little about the harm they are causing. Because down here in the south that's supposed to be a barometer for how decent a person is. It never has been, really, but the perception is there, you know? A lot of modern American Christians are essentially Bizarro Jesus. -hate the poor -give money to the rich -think of themselves before others -hate anything or anyone that is different -actively try to do harm -worship idols/false profits They in no way follow any of the teachings of Christ, and interpret the bible to suit their own wants and desires. Being a Christian in the US for most it seems means you can be a right rear end in a top hat and hide behind your Bible with a smug poo poo-eating grin.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 03:11 |
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I feel really lovely because I called my parents for Christmas and didn't realize it's the first time I've spoken to my mom since March when she got put on a ventilator (usually we just text). Anyways she sounded like Marge Simpson so I said oh do you have a cold or you just woke up or something and she said no that's her new voice since the ventilator. She's 57 and never smoked.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 04:17 |
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It is fun to tell lovely Christians they're going to burn in hell though.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 04:40 |
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Here in Melbourne Australia we've gone 56 days without any community spread so I actually got to visit my family for Christmas. I had to catch public transport out there and everyone was still masked up and socially distancing as much as possible, it's just an accepted part of life here now. My brother hosed up the turkey but some of the outside bits were cooked through enough to eat. There's been a bit of an outbreak up in Sydney and if there'd been any active spread here in Melbourne recently I would've dropped my Christmas plans in a second. Spinz posted:That's a really good question. It's in Chino on the 9th and I'm going to do some research, make some calls. IT'S BULL poo poo Keep us updated because I'm invested in the story now and want to see how it ends. Hadlock posted:Doing your grocery shopping 15 minutes before close is a good way to minimize exposure as well From personal experience, there's also a higher incidence of anti-mask weirdoes who shop late at night so keep an eye out for that.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 05:36 |
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Around noonish but before 3 pm on a weekday seems to be a pretty good time to shop in my local store, the majority of people are still roughly on 9-5 schedule it seems
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 05:47 |
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Speaking of the Sydney outbreak ....quote:NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard slammed a gathering of partygoers at a Sydney beach on Christmas Day. I guess this means that yelling at people for taking dumb risks is now officially part of our recommended covid safety precautions.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 06:11 |
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Castaign posted:Do you have a link for the <70% figure? I haven't seen anything conclusive on either vaccine's impact on transmission. https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1338872330538237955 They did a swab on everyone before giving the second dose, and the placebo group had three times as many positives as the vaccine group. Of course that's not very conclusive data, and they had only received one dose at the time, but it's the best data we have at the moment.
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pidan posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1338872330538237955 TWIV guys claimed it doesn't look good enough to achieve herd immunity, even assuming perfect 100% vaccination rates You think it's endemic now, you just wait til we're all vaccinated and back to spitting in each other's mouths down at the horsetracks. The infection rate is going to go plaid.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 07:03 |
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Cacator posted:I was just flabbergasted that ordering all your sustenance off of Amazon is something anybody outside of doomsday peppers would ever consider. You know Amazon owns Whole Foods, right? Like, you can get "normal" groceries from Amazon the same way you order from Instacart.
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 11:18 |
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The Modern Leper posted:You know Amazon owns Whole Foods, right? Like, you can get "normal" groceries from Amazon the same way you order from Instacart. The whole derail (sub-thread?) started with "I guess I could theoretically order all my food from Amazon but I've determined it's worth the risk of exposure to not do that" and this guy Kramering in with "YUCK who would ever consider only eating food from Amazon" so it's seems like a stretch to imagine he has the level of reading comprehension to have picked up on this either
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 11:43 |
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Delta-Wye posted:TWIV guys claimed it doesn't look good enough to achieve herd immunity, even assuming perfect 100% vaccination rates You think it's endemic now, you just wait til we're all vaccinated and back to spitting in each other's mouths down at the horsetracks. The infection rate is going to go plaid. how does this comment even remotely relate to that tweet
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# ? Dec 26, 2020 14:10 |
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The Modern Leper posted:You know Amazon owns Whole Foods, right? Like, you can get "normal" groceries from Amazon the same way you order from Instacart. I just gotta point out, again, that not everybody has delivery like this. I don't have: grubhub, instacart, amazon fresh(? I think that's the amazon one?), doordash, or any of that stuff. The nearest whole foods for me is like 80 miles away. If you got'em you should use'em when you can though.
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Re: Vaccine Chat, I've seen some people on my fb talking about how they're waiting to get the Moderna vaccine, because they don't trust the Pfizer one to be kept cold enough.
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