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Ubuntu is a fine desktop distro for novices, but there's no reason to use it over debian on the server
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Jan 4, 2021 05:25
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all opensuse users listen to rammstein
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Jan 4, 2021 05:43
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xtal posted:Ubuntu is a fine desktop distro for novices, but there's no reason to use it over debian on the server i mean, does debian have anything like ksplice/livepatch available?
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Jan 4, 2021 06:07
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If I'm upgrading my laptop this year is it worth splashing out on one of those m1 macs. Getting mixed messages. People were complaining about macs but now they're good again? I've been using desktop linux on cheap laptops for the last decade and have literally never used a mac before
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Jan 4, 2021 07:52
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Broken Machine posted:you need their hardware to run it, yes. i think it's possible to virtualize but it's uncommon. although you never really see AIX outside of big commercial operations, it's known for being really well integrated and incredibly stable. i wouldn't say it's fun to administer it or easy to use but it's great for mission critical stuff and what have you, it works well You can certainly virtualize AIX on Power hardware yes, IBM basically invented the whole concept 60 years ago after all. Thats a bit different from like AWS. Least they don't try to charge you an extra grand to do so unlike with HPUX. I liked it fine. Its a bit of a weird Unix even compared to the other extant ones though, also last holdout of COFF unless you're counting Windows 
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Jan 4, 2021 08:30
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Rufus Ping posted:If I'm upgrading my laptop this year is it worth splashing out on one of those m1 macs. Getting mixed messages. People were complaining about macs but now they're good again? I've been using desktop linux on cheap laptops for the last decade and have literally never used a mac before Can you live with using Mac applications and maybe some posix terminal apps? - Arm macs are good and awesome. Do you need to run docker or other Linux apps that can’t be run on Macs (docker on macs is horrible): - Get a XPS 13 or 15.
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Jan 4, 2021 08:35
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Gentle Autist posted:dell is dogshit actually so far at least, it hasn't been obliterated by a mote of dust hitting the keyboard and it consistently wakes from suspend
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Jan 4, 2021 10:43
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xtal posted:Ubuntu is a fine desktop distro for novices, but there's no reason to use it over debian on the server on the server (whitelabel) rhel is the only real option, the conversation may as well move on from there.
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Jan 4, 2021 10:55
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imagine running ibm software in 2021 lmfao
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Jan 4, 2021 12:07
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Truga posted:imagine running software in 2021 lmfao
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Jan 4, 2021 15:03
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I’m also considering transitioning away from max for work my company is slowly load more crapware on my MacBook so I’m looking to move to linux so that I can avoid it. I can’t even use it off a charger anymore because there are two security “suites” that destroy my battery life. I have a personal m1 MacBook and it’s excellent.
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Jan 4, 2021 15:13
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Truga posted:imagine running ibm software in 2021 lmfao websphere alone is still quite common in large companies
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Jan 4, 2021 15:23
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carry on then posted:websphere alone is still quite common in large companies I recently interviewed with a company that wanted websphere experience because they were in the middle of a migration/deployment to it.
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Jan 4, 2021 17:49
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freeasinbeer posted:I’m also considering transitioning away from max for work my company is slowly load more crapware on my MacBook so I’m looking to move to linux so that I can avoid it. I can’t even use it off a charger anymore because there are two security “suites” that destroy my battery life. There is such a thing as antivirus for Linux you know
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Jan 4, 2021 18:04
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someone needs to rage out a “dont use ubuntu” post but for debian main reason afaik is it relies on a committee of nerds, unlike other linuxes such as
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Jan 4, 2021 19:08
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feedmegin posted:There is such a thing as antivirus for Linux you know beep beep here comes symantec endpoint protection!!!
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Jan 4, 2021 19:14
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Share Bear posted:someone needs to rage out a “dont use ubuntu” post but for debian Debian is just obviously bad. Every time I try it it just feels incomplete. Ubuntu is good enough to trick people.
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Jan 4, 2021 19:52
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Share Bear posted:someone needs to rage out a “dont use ubuntu” post but for debian Debian's problem is deadweight maintainers who don't orphan packages but refuse to maintain them because they're "too busy" for a year or two at a stretch, plus being completely impenetrable/impossible for outsiders to do that work instead. I think you can become IRC buddies with people and nag them but who has time for that bullshit when you can just work around it? I've used Debian for over twenty years without doing a single useful thing for the distro despite desire/investigating it repeatedly when things are broken, whereas I can report problems and submit fixes to upstream projects and have them committed, often in less than 24 hours. Too bad it'll take forever and a day to get into debian experimental, nevermind testing or Ubuntu, lol.
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Jan 4, 2021 19:56
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I've actually had better success landing patches in Debian (where the package maintainer is a random volunteer) than in fedora (where the package maintainer is a salaried redhat employee)
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Jan 4, 2021 20:11
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One big lol is that Debian (and all derivatives) use the .deb package format, which can't support packages larger than 2GB. I guess that was fine back in the 90's, but it's a very real problem today - and will only get worse. Tons of people have reported it to the dpkg maintainers, and basically get crickets as a response. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 20:22
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Poopernickel posted:One big lol is that Debian (and all derivatives) use the .deb package format, which can't support packages larger than 2GB. I guess that was fine back in the 90's, but it's a very real problem today - and will only get worse. gross, what are you doing where you think a > 2gb deb is a good idea
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Jan 4, 2021 20:32
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2 GB ought to be enough for anyone
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Jan 4, 2021 20:35
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PCjr sidecar posted:gross, what are you doing where you think a > 2gb deb is a good idea In my case, I was trying to package Xilinx lab tools for easy installation/remote management on a bunch of hardware lab machines.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:36
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2GB is plenty big for a foss package, no worries there. But it's not really big enough for lots of closed-source CAD tools. I would _love_ it if Xilinx, Altera, et. al could just package their software as a .deb and run a package repo, so I could use standard tools to install and upgrade instead of trying to automate their stupid bullshit installers. Too bad the file format makes it impossible 
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Jan 4, 2021 20:43
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Poopernickel posted:2GB is plenty big for a foss package, no worries there. But it's not really big enough for lots of closed-source CAD tools. so do a lovely hack and work around it, god have you even done a foss before xilinx-lab meta package, depending on xilinx-lab-1, xilinx-lab-2...xilinx-lab-n
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Jan 4, 2021 22:14
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Poopernickel posted:In my case, I was trying to package Xilinx lab tools for easy installation/remote management on a bunch of hardware lab machines. Cool, user a docker container for this.
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Jan 4, 2021 22:16
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i do appreciate the chutzpah it must take to complain that debian, the distro mostly notable for being run by frothing fossers , is not doing enough to support your insane proprietary use cases
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Jan 4, 2021 22:19
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Poopernickel posted:2GB is plenty big for a foss package, no worries there. But it's not really big enough for lots of closed-source CAD tools. rpm is not much better. i do bioinformatics stuff and had to package precomputed indices into RPM packages for our commercial product and cpio / rpm has a hard 4gb per file limit, which I just came in under. please don’t talk to me about my elephantine 20gb docker images.
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Jan 4, 2021 22:28
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Nomnom Cookie posted:i do appreciate the chutzpah it must take to complain that debian, the distro mostly notable for being run by frothing fossers , is not doing enough to support your insane proprietary use cases ah, yase - packaging software to install with apt is an insane proprietary use case better to make everybody gently caress around with docker or proprietary vendor installers/updaters You do know that apt is literally designed to support third-party repos, right? There are tons and tons and tons of software packages - games, synthesizers, CAD tools, EDA tools, embedded tools, scientific software, etc - that are all much larger than 2GB. But instead of just extending the dpkg file format, it's definitely better to push everybody onto an incompatible (and poo poo) package format like Snap, or containerize an entire fucken OS into a Docker image lots of people use Linux for other kinds of programming than ~*WeB DeVeLoPmEnT*~ Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Jan 4, 2021 22:41
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Cool, user a docker container for this. cool, good thing it's easy to compose docker images from packages that have non-automatable custom installer steps
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Jan 4, 2021 22:43
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instead of using deb or rpm to movr revolting enormous blobs around go ask your dad how he moves your mom
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Jan 4, 2021 22:49
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anyway i look forward to the poorly coded checks in a shell script that launches commercial software package X that bails out if looks like its in a docker container
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Jan 4, 2021 22:51
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Poopernickel posted:ah, yase - packaging software to install with apt is an insane proprietary use case packages >2gb are an insane proprietary use case, yes. ever noticed how distro packages tend to be pretty granular? your jumbo package either can't be decomposed, which is insane, or you/upstream can't be bothered, which is also insane but in a different way. you are holding your screwdriver wrong and bitching that it makes a terrible hammer Poopernickel posted:cool, good thing it's easy to compose docker images from packages that have non-automatable custom installer steps make a tgz instead of a deb, then ADD it to the image
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Jan 4, 2021 23:00
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Nomnom Cookie posted:packages >2gb are an insane proprietary use case, yes. ever noticed how distro packages tend to be pretty granular? your jumbo package either can't be decomposed, which is insane, or you/upstream can't be bothered, which is also insane but in a different way. you are holding your screwdriver wrong and bitching that it makes a terrible hammer All of this.
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Jan 4, 2021 23:07
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Poopernickel posted:ah, yase - packaging software to install with apt is an insane proprietary use case You are upset that your special package that is > 2GB won't fit in a deb, but the extra space for a container is just too much to handle? 
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Jan 4, 2021 23:10
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Hey guys, I don't want to use docker with my 2GB package because that would make it 2.2GB!
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Jan 4, 2021 23:13
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Nomnom Cookie posted:packages >2gb are an insane proprietary use case, yes. ever noticed how distro packages tend to be pretty granular? your jumbo package either can't be decomposed, which is insane, or you/upstream can't be bothered, which is also insane but in a different way. you are holding your screwdriver wrong and bitching that it makes a terrible hammer rpm is 64 bit now, so the max package size is basically unlimited. individual files are still limited to 4gb though
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Jan 4, 2021 23:50
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Silver Alicorn posted:linux is a monolithic kernel cooked up in a crazy finn's garage Linux is System V fanfic
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xtal posted:Docker was like a 10 or 20 year regression for the state of the art, unfortunately. Docker is just IBM VM reimplemented by people who never understood the real thing
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