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I don't think it'd fit the nature of this film for Lord to be killed. Cheetah didn't get killed either. No one died, basically. But obviously Max Lord should have got some sort of comeuppance. He wasn't some innocent dude, he was smiling when the president wished for more nukes and he was literally stealing life-force from people to heal himself like some crazy evil wizard. That should at least have warranted some scene where he gets taken away by authorities right?
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Zzulu posted:I don't think it'd fit the nature of this film for Lord to be killed. Cheetah didn't get killed either. No one died, basically. But obviously Max Lord should have got some sort of comeuppance. He wasn't some innocent dude, he was smiling when the president wished for more nukes and he was literally stealing life-force from people to heal himself like some crazy evil wizard.
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Jan 6, 2021 21:33
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Zzulu posted:I don't think it'd fit the nature of this film for Lord to be killed. Cheetah didn't get killed either. No one died, basically. But obviously Max Lord should have got some sort of comeuppance. He wasn't some innocent dude, he was smiling when the president wished for more nukes and he was literally stealing life-force from people to heal himself like some crazy evil wizard. I dunno that sounds kinda toxic, which is absolutely not what we want in this uplifting film about Positivity and Optimism tailor made for a focus group of twitter posters who thought Superman deliberately and gleefully commited war crimes in the final act of Man of Steel
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Jan 6, 2021 22:07
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BiggestBatman posted:He didn't launch a single nuke, nor cleanse a single ethnic, and also we aren't a jury. Deciding if he's bad or good is inane. The ending of the story being primarily a punishment for the characters wrongdoing is simplistic even by children's stories standards. He authorized and actively manipulated the wishes, and established their consequences. He chose to erect that wall to punish that oil guy even though it caused poor people to go without water. He could have chosen to give Reagan a bunch of nukes, but they were all duds. The movie could have made him do redeemable things if they had to redeem him at the end. But this movie also makes their hero a rapist and their villain a rapist-beater, so... I don’t think anyone is saying he *has* to be beheaded onscreen, just that he should have *some* consequence instead of Marine One still being under his authority lol
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Jan 6, 2021 22:36
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AdmiralViscen posted:I don’t think anyone is saying he *has* to be beheaded onscreen, just that he should have *some* consequence instead of Marine One still being under his authority lol He could have an ending where he admits to his shareholders that the crowdsourced oil company was a bust and he declares bankruptcy. Then he could have a crappy but honest job where he isn't rich and on TV, but does get to spend more time with his son, underlining the movie's themes of truth is better than magic wishing rocks. Maybe Diana runs into him selling street food in that mysterious last scene, and is happy to see he's doing well now that he Knows His Place.
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Jan 6, 2021 22:46
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BiggestBatman posted:He didn't launch a single nuke, nor cleanse a single ethnic, and also we aren't a jury. Deciding if he's bad or good is inane. The ending of the story being primarily a punishment for the characters wrongdoing is simplistic even by children's stories standards. Wait who's asking for Max to be killed, its just odd that a bad guy in a movie has no comeuppance.
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Jan 6, 2021 22:52
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Even the guy from Wolf of Wall St. had a bigger comeuppance, and he literally got away with it.
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Mystic Mongol posted:He could have an ending where he admits to his shareholders that the crowdsourced oil company was a bust and he declares bankruptcy. Then he could have a crappy but honest job where he isn't rich and on TV, but does get to spend more time with his son, underlining the movie's themes of truth is better than magic wishing rocks. Maybe Diana runs into him selling street food in that mysterious last scene, and is happy to see he's doing well now that he Knows His Place.
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Jan 6, 2021 23:05
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teagone posted:Barbara makes a second wish to be an apex predator; becoming Cheetah is just the whole Monkey's Paw and all that. The film has a lot going against it, but not all the character beats with Barbara are bad. I know there's comic precedence, but I still find this funny given current knowledge of what punks cheetahs are in their actual environment.
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I was just watching the news and some people obviously didn’t recant their wishes. 
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I simply do not understand why they didn't go with "the bigger your wish the bigger your cost." It wasn't a monkey's paw, despite the movie wanting you to settle on that based on a secondary character's musings. The moral being an inhumanly beautiful half god staring at the camera and emotionlessly telling people they're wrong to wish for their lives to be better came across so poorly. Sucks to be a mom who wished for her kid's leukemia to be cured. Glad she rescinded it at the end. Sorry Barbara, whatever your wish might have been worded as the underlying idea of "I want to be treated like a person" doesn't have value. You fighting your twice-attempted rapist is framed as an evil act. Learn your place. Diana's rescinding has no weight whatsoever. "Rescind your wish or the earth becomes a ball of radioactive death" isn't a heroic choice. The wishpocalypse was genuinely disheartening and felt like they were filming on the set for a different movie. People getting wishes makes a woman hunker under a space blanket in the middle of DC summer and cry out for her missing child because...? Sure have a lot of 80s excess materialism but show it. Golden skyscrapers spouting up randomly, have fun amidst the horror of wishmageddon. Have that woman shown losing her condo because the building has been turned yet another trader's monument to excess. The joke about the streets being unsafe from all the porshes racing about? Decent start. Show it. Show chaos from wishes conflicting not from simply being granted. Have the moral be that there is no something for nothing, but that would start to cast a squint at capitalism really quickly. Which it should, if you're setting your literal wish fulfillment superhero movie in the 80s, why bother if not to at least cast a side eye at unchecked capitalism and the monster of consumerism. And let's not even touch on the random "evil arabs" poo poo in 2020 in a movie headlined by a loud and proud advocate of the IDF. The after credits scene was good at least. My mom passed last year, and it would've made her smile.
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BiggestBatman posted:He didn't launch a single nuke, nor cleanse a single ethnic, and also we aren't a jury. Deciding if he's bad or good is inane. The ending of the story being primarily a punishment for the characters wrongdoing is simplistic even by children's stories standards. This is incoherent.
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AdmiralViscen posted:He authorized and actively manipulated the wishes, and established their consequences. He chose to erect that wall to punish that oil guy even though it caused poor people to go without water. He could have chosen to give Reagan a bunch of nukes, but they were all duds. The movie could have made him do redeemable things if they had to redeem him at the end. But this movie also makes their hero a rapist and their villain a rapist-beater, so... The film doesn't really care about the broader morality of any of its characters actions because its a (pretty simplistic) fable, not a realistic take on how the world would deal with wish-granting powers Shageletic posted:Wait who's asking for Max to be killed, its just odd that a bad guy in a movie has no comeuppance. a few responses to my first comment on this explicitly mentioned WW beheading him YOLOsubmarine posted:This is incoherent. Dunno what to tell you Yolo, other people seem to manage it
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BiggestBatman posted:The film doesn't really care about the broader morality of any of its characters actions because its a (pretty simplistic) fable Websters defines “fable” as “a short story, typically conveying a moral”
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Edit: N/M, leaving it at "that was incoherent" is kinder.
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BiggestBatman posted:a few responses to my first comment on this explicitly mentioned WW beheading him Imagine the exact same movie, except there’s Commando-style action sequences with a gladius. What kind of dorkus would object to that?
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i'm just going to register my wish here. dead fictional kid nailed it and i think this thread can appreciate knowing what to wish for in the event of evil genie: ’HAPPINESS FOR EVERYBODY, FREE, AND NO ONE WILL GO AWAY UNSATISFIED!’
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Imagine the exact same movie, except there’s Commando-style action sequences with a gladius. Obviously the correct scene is Max grabbing a butterfly knife and Diana going "that's not a noif."
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Imagine the exact same movie, except there’s Commando-style action sequences with a gladius. Gotta dream bigger. What if in order to stop Max she flew the invisible plane directly into the building he was broadcasting from then got out and crushed his windpipe with his boot, then arrested his body PJOmega posted:Edit: N/M, leaving it at "that was incoherent" is kinder. love u buddy
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Jan 7, 2021 11:22
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Wanna point out that I don't think Wonder Woman should behead Max because it's the right or just thing to do, she should do it because the movie is boring as poo poo and violence is fun.
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Jan 7, 2021 11:32
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I'd have thought after decades of Spielberg we already have dealt with enough director daddy issues. Fuckin lol the ending is Donald Trump being told 'go home and be a family man'.
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Jan 7, 2021 14:55
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My internet went down during the maximum power scene and I took it as a sign from God not to finish. Is Gal Gadot a lovely actor? It seems like they do everything they can to minimize the number of lines she says in a row.
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tadashi posted:My internet went down during the maximum power scene and I took it as a sign from God not to finish. She's...limited. She has a fair bit of presence and looks amazing, and you can coast on that a great deal. Ask her to go beyond "exotic accent being assertive" or "vague inspirational sentence" and you'll get pretty much nothing of worth.
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Gadot is fine but she's never going to be someone that you can build a mediocre, boring movie around and expect her to carry the thing on her shoulders. And she's not alone in that of course, I'd throw three quarters of the MCU actors into that category as well.
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I know that it’s the cool thing to throw shade on MCEU but none of their actors comes even close to the stale woodiness of Gadot.
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BigglesSWE posted:I know that it’s the cool thing to throw shade on MCEU but none of their actors comes even close to the stale woodiness of Gadot. If we're doing a direct comparison to Gadot, I agree that most of the MCU actors are better than her. But if we're talking about the broader category of actors who are not good enough to elevate a movie beyond the script and the production values, a lot of them fall into that. The funny thing is that some of the actors in the MCU who I think could elevate material have been given no chance to do it. How many times have we talked about how odd it is that they wouldn't give a Ruffalo solo movie a shot?
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The suits have no faith in the Hulk, smh
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Jan 7, 2021 17:37
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Pretty sure Disney would be required to distribute a standalone Hulk movie via Paramount
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PJOmega posted:
Goddamn yes, but it seems unbelievable that this movie would have had enough money to show this. It just looks so cheap. You know what's crazy? The climax, the traditional world is going to die montage that is in every superhero movie, I think it was all B roll footage? Like old videos of rockets launching (and one comically bad unrealistic shot of missles coming out of the Kremlin lol) and then people reacting in small rooms. Like even the shittiest modern comic book movies spend their money on the orgy of violence and danger in the 3rd act. Like, even by its own lovely genre, this movie fails. Instead you have wind whistling as bad actors huddle on a street made up of 10 people lol.
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Ruffalo was a big part of why Ragnarok was good. Anyway, I like the idea of Diana seeing Max on TV helping people. He should also be doing that alongside Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, and Guy Gardner.
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AdmiralViscen posted:Pretty sure Disney would be required to distribute a standalone Hulk movie via Paramount Yeah, I think this was the reason. Shageletic posted:Goddamn yes, but it seems unbelievable that this movie would have had enough money to show this. It just looks so cheap. Everything I hear makes this movie sound like a substandard Doctor Who episode.
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Now I haven’t seen this movie, but I’ve been following the discussions about it and I just have to ask...why 1984? The year in question tends to make people think of Orwellian things but that doesn’t seem to be a major theme of the movie. Is it because WW84 is a punchy title to print? I almost suspect that a major reason for it is the hype around Ready Player One, from a few years back. That and Stranger Things might give the impression for clueless studio executives that the 80’s is very hot right now, but I feel that sort of nostalgia is not as prevalent anymore.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, I think this was the reason. It's worse because bad Doctor Who episodes end much sooner. And all the Doctor actors are way better than Gal Gadot. Plus if you want to get old school, Leela would have shanked Max Lord at like the halfway point and we could have all gone to bed early.  "Enjoy your death as I enjoyed killing you!"
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BigglesSWE posted:Now I haven’t seen this movie, but I’ve been following the discussions about it and I just have to ask...why 1984? Oh yea for sure, it's just another attempt at 80's nostalgia. I imagine there were focus groups and many meetings about which year had the best ring to it and which year was most representative of the 80s.
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Basebf555 posted:Oh yea for sure, it's just another attempt at 80's nostalgia. I imagine there were focus groups and many meetings about which year had the best ring to it and which year was most representative of the 80s. But it even fails at that because, and I feel bad bringing this up again but it really is strange, if you wanted to use 80's nostalgia, why would you not use a single 80's song? It's a truly mystifying choice to not do that. The trailer used Blue Monday and it ruled. The movie using only score felt way off.
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BigglesSWE posted:The year in question tends to make people think of Orwellian things but that doesn’t seem to be a major theme of the movie. Is it because WW84 is a punchy title to print? I'm guessing they went with 1984 because they saw it peak 80s.Regan's re-election and the collapse of the USSR was still 5 years away and they were still seen as a real threat. thrawn527 posted:But it even fails at that because, and I feel bad bringing this up again but it really is strange, if you wanted to use 80's nostalgia, why would you not use a single 80's song? It's a truly mystifying choice to not do that. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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I feel like they put a year in it because they were trying to avoid people calling it WW2.
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Early descriptions of the film said Wonder Woman was going to come into conflict with the USSR which after several script revisions seems to have been shrunk down into the nuclear war plotline, but I'm guessing 1984 was originally going to refer to ~soviety totalitariansm~ or somesuch
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Alexander Hamilton posted:I feel like they put a year in it because they were trying to avoid people calling it WW2. Should of gone with WW88 mixed signals all around.
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multijoe posted:Early descriptions of the film said Wonder Woman was going to come into conflict with the USSR which after several script revisions seems to have been shrunk down into the nuclear war plotline, but I'm guessing 1984 was originally going to refer to ~soviety totalitariansm~ or somesuch
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