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Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



BiggerBoat posted:

Given how often so much of these accusations center around child porn and how given these types are to projection I've honestly begun to think that child sex trafficking might be as big a problem as they say it is.

It's not unlike the religious types who claim that if it wasn't for divine mandate, everyone would be murdering left and right. I just can't help but be a bit worried around them.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Apparently there is a ton of child abuse material on Facebook, but it's in private groups that keep shifting, which is what makes it such a problem.

It does need to be dealt with better than the current moderation efforts, but it's nonsense to compare it to the silencing of public voices inciting insurrection and making stupid allegations in huge public groups on Facebook. I bet it'd be pretty easy to have a network of private Boogaloo/Patriot Militia/terrorism groups on FB too, but they're comparing apples to oranges.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
Yeah, actually it's pretty horrifying that facebook is used as a massive vector for child abuse and child pornography. Meanwhile all the loving qanon nutters who claim to be concerned about protecting the children don't give one poo poo because their outrage over child abuse is just being manipulated as ammunition to target Dems/Hollywood/(((those people)))/etc.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




You don’t see them shrieking about shutting down 4chan/Reddit/8chan.


(Cause they like those sites)

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Wasn’t the whole point of 4chan because these here very forums cracked down on files and porn?

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Proust Malone posted:

Wasn’t the whole point of 4chan because these here very forums cracked down on files and porn?

Yes. It was created as bastion of free speech because the mods here cared (just a little more)

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
And then 8chan/kun was created as a bastion of even freer speech because 4chan drew the line at child porn.

Slowpoke!
Feb 12, 2008

ANIME IS FOR ADULTS

1stGear posted:

And then 8chan/kun was created as a bastion of even freer speech because 4chan drew the line at child porn.

Afraid to ask about 16chan :ohdear:

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Teenage me vaguely remembers 420chan being chill.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Don't @me but I still go to 1d4chan for 40k stuff

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

It's so terrible that even mentioning it probably means the police are on the way to your house. Sorry you had to find out this way.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Slowpoke! posted:

Afraid to ask about 16chan :ohdear:

Fizzled out because number too big.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Proust Malone posted:

Wasn’t the whole point of 4chan because these here very forums cracked down on files and porn?

Chris Poole used his mom's credit card to start it and now, long story short, we have Q anon.

Doesn't he work at Google nowadays?

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



as of the last we've heard from him, yeah. Google maps I think?

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Soylent Pudding posted:

Teenage me vaguely remembers 420chan being chill.

It has a pretty decent Pro Wrestling board.

borkencode
Nov 10, 2004




RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

This is trolling right?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

RagnarokAngel posted:

This is trolling right?

The folks in charge know full well that Trump encouraged and supported this, but the only way to spin the narrative is to blame things on BLM/Antifa/leftists, because they can tie it together with the horrible rioters that burned several major cities to the ground over the summer. The fact that no cities were burned to the ground is immaterial. Trumpers think they were

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

jivjov posted:

The folks in charge know full well that Trump encouraged and supported this, but the only way to spin the narrative is to blame things on BLM/Antifa/leftists, because they can tie it together with the horrible rioters that burned several major cities to the ground over the summer. The fact that no cities were burned to the ground is immaterial. Trumpers think they were

I think they were asking if it's a "real" "q" email or OPPO-prop trying to get chuds to stay home

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Nah, I'm sure it's legit in the "See, we have an airtight alibi, the inevitable right-wing chudserrection couldn't be us because we got the email to stay home!" sort of way.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Yeah I agree, I feel like it's a "stay home wink wink nod nod, definitely don't go to those protests at the state capitols" so that when poo poo happens they can say "Well must be leftists, because we told everyone to not go there!"

zeroprime
Mar 25, 2006

Words go here.

Fun Shoe
I've seen some whining on my facebook feed about conservative opinions not being allowed anymore, but can't really get confirmation from anyone of which opinions they're talking about for some reason:

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
You're obviously just trying to bait them into expressing an opinion that will get them banned. Nice try zeroprime (if that even is your real name) but you've got to get up early in the morning to beat MAGA!

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

What does a Sylvester Stallone movie have to do with anything?

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

CuddleCryptid posted:

What does a Sylvester Stallone movie have to do with anything?

They don't realize Dennis Leary's character wasn't the hero.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

CuddleCryptid posted:

What does a Sylvester Stallone movie have to do with anything?

They too are concerned about the ascendancy of Taco Bell after the Franchise Wars.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

zeroprime posted:

I've seen some whining on my facebook feed about conservative opinions not being allowed anymore, but can't really get confirmation from anyone of which opinions they're talking about for some reason:



Asking for specifics is a "gotcha question" that all liberals have been primed or trained to ask.

No, seriously, that's what some of my MAGA relatives think. It's not just what people do when confronted with a relative acting like a paranoid loon.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
The only thing I can think about in regards to Demolition Man is that every time Stallone's character swears a buzzer goes off and a voice says he's been fined for using inappropriate language. Except he didn't go to jail, and in fact he purposely swore a bunch to get some tickets to use for toilet paper since he didn't know how to use the three seashells, so obviously it wasn't that big a deal?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

It was also illegal to eat unhealthy food although the punishment wasn't really defined.

The only people who did were rebels living on the outskirts of society but I'm not sure whether that means the punishment was so severe you might as well join the rebellion or if the enforcement was so effective that the only way to get butter without getting caught was to live off the grid

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

VitalSigns posted:

It was also illegal to eat unhealthy food although the punishment wasn't really defined.

The only people who did were rebels living on the outskirts of society but I'm not sure whether that means the punishment was so severe you might as well join the rebellion or if the enforcement was so effective that the only way to get butter without getting caught was to live off the grid

In the movie Demolition Man, abortion is illegal, but so is unauthorized pregnancy. It's a nice and pleasant form of totalitarianism.

See also Escape from L.A.

Anyway, hot take from a co-worker on FB:

guy posted:

I went back and am writing this. It is long and political. It may get you wound up if you decide to read it. This is all from the mind of Lee, not some cut and paste hack job I claim for my own.
For all you Trump haters (I am not friends with many, just a couple hard core ones) and all you weak-kneed so called "conservatives" who rushed to apologize for someone else's rampaging in D.C. even before knowing facts, what are your thoughts now? Do you realize that a sitting president has been banned from social media at the whim of the dictator CEOs? If you are going to say some crap like "he instigated it" you are going to need to provide your evidence. Maybe you don't like evidence though since you rushed to proclaim to the world how you hate republicans now since some thugs invaded our capitol building, again, before knowing any facts whatsoever. Without exception, every so called "main stream media" has been against Trump from day one. You went along with it because you didn't like Trump or really trust him so it was ok for the media to abuse him every single day of his presidency. Now that this craphole facebook and twitter banned him and more congress men and women calling for even more restrictions and outright bans on the President you are probably still ok with it. But hey, at least you let all your facebook buddies know that by golly, you were going to apologize for someone else's actions without knowing any facts. But the media told you them facts didn't they? And you ate it up and rushed to show everyone how you disapprove of this. By the way, how many lib buddies that you know rushed to apologize for trashing Seattle? For destroying businesses, committing whatever crimes they wanted to and taking over a complete section of town and pretending to be big boys and girls and call themselves a totally different nation? How about when Portland burned for over 100 straight days? Did your lib buds apologize for that? Quite the contrary. Not one peep from them or the lib leaders in D.C. In fact there is plenty of facts to show that these vermin were encouraged by the libs. You got played. This is what communists do. They make you sorry for something you never did and then use it against you. Meanwhile they are committing much more sinister crimes and you aren't going to call them on it because you are enlightened. Trump has been abused on a daily basis and you are ok with it because you hate him. Or because you don't like his twitters. Or because he has a big mouth and shoots it off on facebook. Lord knows you are all perfect It's ok to burn him at the stake. Makes you feel good doesn't it? Lord knows you all are perfect right? I probably won't change anyone's mind. I guess I am just saying this for my own benefit. But just think if our ancestors didn't have the courage to stand up for what is right and just. What if they apologized for that whole Concord Bridge thing? What if they just slunk back to their homes and forgot it all. Courage. We all need it.

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

PeterCat posted:

Anyway, hot take from a co-worker on FB:

Not sure of I am reading it wrong, but feels like both: we (Trump supporters/"real conservatives") did not storm the Capitol and we should not apologize for it AND us storming the Capitol is like the Revolutionary War and we should finish what we started.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


jjack229 posted:

Not sure of I am reading it wrong, but feels like both: we (Trump supporters/"real conservatives") did not storm the Capitol and we should not apologize for it AND us storming the Capitol is like the Revolutionary War and we should finish what we started.

:umberto:

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Facebook post posted:

So are we going to label these things public commons and nationalize them or are you going to stay true to capitalism and just let them ban you on a whim?

reply posted:

I think public forums like facebook and others should be regulate but that we maintain capitalism as our economic structure. The public outcry on twitter/social media replacing political activism is today's issue of the day. Cancel culture needs to be meted out and people need to get out of the 400 level courses to take the 100 level courses of politics to understand and be active where it matters in your town, county, district, state, then national government. It's important to stay informed, but it's out of control now. We should not be banning free speech, rather use and strengthen existing laws to monitor forums to prevent issues like we have proven we can prevent which didn't even involve one of these forums with the Michigan Governor almost being abducted. Plus they know there was quotes of people already talking of insurrection the day before on 1/5 Trump spoke to those assembled in Washington. Let's not overlook the vast numbers of peaceful protestors or bystanders that filled the National Mall. If you look at the photos of the event on 1/6 you can see thousands present. There's a lot the history books and news will uncover as time goes on, but we can't end discourse or civility.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

jjack229 posted:

Not sure of I am reading it wrong, but feels like both: we (Trump supporters/"real conservatives") did not storm the Capitol and we should not apologize for it AND us storming the Capitol is like the Revolutionary War and we should finish what we started.

I don't think you're wrong. There's a lot going on in there.

The part that gets me is how he blames the Communists. When then social media/internet banning is more to do with the oligarchs deciding they've had enough of Trump. He is also a very big "private property" guy, so he should be fine with Trump being removed from private services.

Fezz
Aug 31, 2001

You should feel ashamed.
Do they understand that the city of Portland is just fine? The way they describe it you would think it had burned to the ground.

Elizabethan Error
May 18, 2006

PeterCat posted:

I don't think you're wrong. There's a lot going on in there.

The part that gets me is how he blames the Communists
that's a common trope honestly, you can hear joe mccarthy's echos from the mouths of many conservatives.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Fezz posted:

Do they understand that the city of Portland is just fine? The way they describe it you would think it had burned to the ground.

The near anarchy of the liberal urban centers is an article of faith, supported by endless talk radio ranting about Chicago murders. Scratch the surface and you'll 'urban ferals'; go a little deeper and it's apocalyptic RaHoWa rhetoric, which the discussions of coups and the Q storm only feed into.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

quote:

since you rushed to proclaim to the world how you hate republicans now

It’s not just now buddy

Arbetor
Mar 28, 2010

Gonna play tasty.

jjack229 posted:

Not sure of I am reading it wrong, but feels like both: we (Trump supporters/"real conservatives") did not storm the Capitol and we should not apologize for it AND us storming the Capitol is like the Revolutionary War and we should finish what we started.

This is less Umberto Eco ur-fascism and more a 6 year old saying "Are you going to check if my toothbrush is wet? 'Cuz if you are, I haven't brushed my teeth". They know enough to know that if the coup succeeds, they will be heroes heralding in a new golden age, but if it fails they are criminals, and they want to have it both ways.

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Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

The near anarchy of the liberal urban centers is an article of faith, supported by endless talk radio ranting about Chicago murders. Scratch the surface and you'll 'urban ferals'; go a little deeper and it's apocalyptic RaHoWa rhetoric, which the discussions of coups and the Q storm only feed into.

The way Conservatives talk about LA, you'd think that Undocumented folk walk around murdering people Scot free due to its sanctuary status.

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