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Immanentized posted:Also it cost Ahriman his face. That's rad as hell. 40K needs more impossible Junji Ito/Lovecraft style impossible alterations. But yeah, since in most books everyone, be it humans, astartes or other psykers describe seeing Ahriman's eyes, face and expression normally, I always wondered what that meant. Figured it was some metaphysical aspect that only a few people of a similar power level could see.
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NikkolasKing posted:Heard so much about how the World Eaters are brutal and un-subtle but doesn't seem like the Space Wolves ar any better. It seems like Magnus' fall to Chaos will be prompted by a stupid, cruel but "loyal" Primarch. Pretty much all the Legions are mirrored in that way with a couple of the others, and with slightly different circumstances you'd have a whole different heresy. Lion could have been the fallen Warmaster, Sanguinius could have fallen to Khorne or Slaanesh, Perturabo could have been the one building and defending Terra, it's coinflips all the way down.
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Sephyr posted:That's rad as hell. 40K needs more impossible Junji Ito/Lovecraft style impossible alterations. A lot of warp and warp-touched entities are perceived as appearing differently to each person that sees them, or having features that shift between aspects. Off the top of my head I can think of; The Emperor, Magnus, and The Anarch (who's word drowns out all others). I figure Ahriman is similar - he no longer has a "real" face.
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Yeah faceless Ahriman was perceived by a psychically inert necron prisoner if I recall correctly. I wanna say it was an audio short?
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Thanks for the suggestions. Apparently the Calgar trade paperback comes out in April.
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Pershing posted:Thanks for the suggestions. Apparently the Calgar trade paperback comes out in April. Where did you see that? Calgar is a Marvel comic I don't think they are releasing it in another format.
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It's got an Amazon listing. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08TKXGL43/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Now, famously. Amazon can be a bit premature with listings, but it's usually correct. It'll certainly be a trade at some point regardless.
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D-Pad posted:Where did you see that? Calgar is a Marvel comic I don't think they are releasing it in another format.
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I’m about halfway through Ravenor Returned. Very fun series so far. Excited to finish it out.
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The Kingfish posted:I’m about halfway through Ravenor Returned. Very fun series so far. Excited to finish it out. Same, but halfway through the first Ravenor. It's funny going from a strong gruff central character in Eisenhorn to... Professor X in a metal box. But the story is great and the writing is top notch.
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CAR-CAR-CARNIVORA still gets me.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:CAR-CAR-CARNIVORA still gets me. 
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I'm reading the first Black Legion book by ADB, The Talon of Horus. This passage stood out to me. A space marine asks an Eldar what is out there in other parts of the webway. She replies: "Death...Things that broke free from other realms and realities. Things even the Neverborn fear." This was after some reflection by the main character on old ones, the nature of the warp, and the webway's existence relative to the warp and void. I've only been reading Warhammer fiction for a couple years now, but this is the first time I think I've seen any hints of other realities.
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There's always a bigger fish.
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So I still have to finish Thousand Sons but just got done with the Emperor's pronouncement. So firstly, he's a big ol' hypocrite right since he bargained with the Chaos Gods to create the Primarchs? Also I've heard he knew the Heresy would happen so everything he says or does is pretty tainted by that. It's plain to see Magnus is a bit too full of himself but the discussion of the Warp and its nature really lies at the heart of this debate. This is a philosophical argument IRL as old as time - about power and the intrinsic morality of actions or weapons - but in 40K, we have definitive answers about how reality works unlike IRL. Magnus maintains the Warp and Psychic Powers are essentially Neutral and their goodness or badness depends on those who use them. The discussion of the Space Wolves seems to prove him right? If you just believe the Warp is harmless, it is? But at the same time it really feels like TS is setting Magnus up for a fall due to his hubris. To believe these powers are ours to control is pure arrogance. But then the talk in here proves him right and there is no immutable cosmic force beyond us? I dunno what the source for it is but I've heard the Warp lore is that it used to be totally benign before a big war happened. So in some sense it seems malleable but how malleable because it has been Chaos for millennia now.
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The Kingfish posted:I’m about halfway through Ravenor Returned. Very fun series so far. Excited to finish it out. Oh my god that twist E: gently caress, but Dan Abnett knows how to write some good pulp. E2: Now that I’ve finished, I don’t actually like how that twist played out at all. How stupid is Ravenor to not realize what happened? The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:CAR-CAR-CARNIVORA still gets me. gently caress yeah, i remember listening to this part during a longass drive kickin rad
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I picked up a Warhammer Monthly collection. Missing about 10 issues out of 86. Really excited to go through all these Got some Gaunt's Ghost LEs and another background book, and art book         
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That is fully sick. Also, your keyboard looks rad!
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Sephyr posted:That's rad as hell. 40K needs more impossible Junji Ito/Lovecraft style impossible alterations. I've not read them for a while, but aren't the Black Legion books written from the point of view of a powerful psyker who has allowed himself to be captured by the Imperium and he's telling his story? He's going to see Ahriman differently to how others do. Doesn't he also hint that Ahriman himself doesn't see the hole and still thinks he has a face?
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I'm still annoyed they never made more box sets like that, I was hoping for all the Ghosts books like it.
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Azubah posted:I'm still annoyed they never made more box sets like that, I was hoping for all the Ghosts books like it. Yeah I wish they would finish the GG series in this format. There are quite a few box set LEs out there: Eisenhorn, Ahriman, Legacy of Caliban, Ciaphas Cain, Salamanders, and two different Night Lords box sets. Most of them only had 500 copies and they are scarce. I've managed to track down a Legacy of Caliban and Salamanders and have a lead on Ahriman. NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:drat it GW give me my Alpharius book My last couple LE purchases took a month.
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NikkolasKing posted:If you just believe the Warp is harmless, it is? Don't put too much stock into the "power of belief" poo poo, it's really exaggerated in this thread, it's more of a meme than anything else. This goes for Orks too, sorry. A red one will go faster, but just painting a giant herd animal turd red won't turn it into a vehicle.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Don't put too much stock into the "power of belief" poo poo, it's really exaggerated in this thread, it's more of a meme than anything else. This goes for Orks too, sorry. A red one will go faster, but just painting a giant herd animal turd red won't turn it into a vehicle. Yes it will.
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NikkolasKing posted:So I still have to finish Thousand Sons but just got done with the Emperor's pronouncement. Don't put too much faith in the words of a daemon. It's already established that the Emprah used warp shenanigans to create the primarchs, and even if it's true that he dealt with the Gods for a time, so what? Both the Big E and the Gods are incredibly powerful entities playing multidimensional turbomurder chess against each other with the lives of the entire galaxy as their game pieces and reality itself at stake, of course they are all a bunch of liars and cheats.
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Magnus directly made pacts with warp entities who fooled him and took from him. The Space Wolves through their rituals, basically turn up to the timeshare presentation, get their free gift, and then leave without signing any papers.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The Space Wolves through their rituals, basically turn up to the timeshare presentation, get their free gift, and then leave without signing any papers. That is such a fantastic analogy.
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For someone who's routinely dealt with the warp it sure seems like he got kinda blindsided by the whole corruption of his primarchs thing
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Belief isn't really what matters to the warp, it's emotion of sentient beings. That belief can guide emotion, but it's not the primary thing. They all have positive emotions associated with them as well, even noble warriors feed Khorne by default. A landscape gardener could be feeding Slaanesh and Nurgle. A scientist feeding Tzeentch.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Big E is absolutely a liar and a hypocrite and almost certainly not human as we understand it. Did you read Fury of Magnus? In 40k he's totally not a human, but there's some stuff in this novella that shows he's still a dude. Or at least- his secondary attention still has human reactions of sadness and grief.
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It's entirely possibly after like 30+ thousand years of dealing with poo poo he is extreeeeeemly unrelatable.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Don't put too much stock into the "power of belief" poo poo, it's really exaggerated in this thread, it's more of a meme than anything else. This goes for Orks too, sorry. A red one will go faster, but just painting a giant herd animal turd red won't turn it into a vehicle.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:CAR-CAR-CARNIVORA still gets me.
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NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:drat it GW give me my Alpharius book Read the spoilers and love them. Everyone is saying that it’s their favorite of the Primarchs series so far.
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NikkolasKing posted:So I still have to finish Thousand Sons but just got done with the Emperor's pronouncement. That book really made me sympathize with Magnus, really liked the inclusion of the human companions too. The whole Synod thing pissed me off, the Emperor can gently caress right off with that bullshit. He knows they're going to rebel after that but does nothing.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Belief isn't really what matters to the warp, it's emotion of sentient beings. That belief can guide emotion, but it's not the primary thing. They all have positive emotions associated with them as well, even noble warriors feed Khorne by default. A landscape gardener could be feeding Slaanesh and Nurgle. A scientist feeding Tzeentch. Makes me think of All Powerful Evil Gardener Sam from Lord of the Rings. But while I've never seen actual sources for this, wasn't the Emp's entire justification for hiding the truth of Chaos and having the Warp explained in perfectly mundane terms part of the "belief" agenda? That's what I've always read online. If enough people believed he Warp was just some energy field as opposed to the home of dark gods, it would weaken them. Pershing posted:That book really made me sympathize with Magnus, really liked the inclusion of the human companions too. The whole Synod thing pissed me off, the Emperor can gently caress right off with that bullshit. He knows they're going to rebel after that but does nothing. So far it's definitely been my favorite HH novel apart from maybe Horus Rising. Magnus is great, Ahriman is great, the Remembrancer trio were great.... Everything really clicks for me in this novel. Thousand Sons have been promoted to one of my favorite Legions. Not too surprising now I see more of them - they remind me of my favorite WoD factions like Order of Hermes and Tremere. I guess I really like the big ritual magic cult types? I stopped reading last night right as Magnus was taking his second big trip into the Warp and it seems like things are finally coming home to roost for the poor guy.
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I finished the first Ravenor book and it's great in its own way, but didn't fully live up to the Eisenhorn series. The side characters, especially the ones I knew a bit from the first trilogy, were way more fleshed out for obvious reasons, but I missed having that gruff old Inquisitor. I rated it a 5/5 only because Eisenhorn as a series is a 6/5. It still was leaps and bounds above most genre fiction, and the action especially near the end was insanely cinematic. But then I read the short story "Thorn Wishes Talon" which takes place afterward and I've never  'd so hard in my life. Now I can't wait to read Ravenor Returned.
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