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Grandpa Palpatine posted:lol how did they not realize they had a winner The first Star Trek had lasted only three years, there had not been a single hit sci-fi show in the US since (Battlestar Galactica was probably the closest and it was too expensive to last beyond a season and a lovely "let's put them on modern day Earth to save money" spin-off) and it was absolute chaos on the set for the first two seasons which is part of why they're so patchy.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:lol how did they not realize they had a winner Because, at the time, I doubt star trek was the seemingly eternal cultural fixture and more just a show that had existed, no longer existed, and had a few movies made of it. Sci fi reboots fail far more often than they succeed.
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Feb 11, 2021 01:29
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TNG being great made the original series even better for being in the same universe. gently caress it, let's just talk about Star Trek until something Star Wars happens
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Feb 11, 2021 03:27
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Glottis posted:TNG being great made the original series even better for being in the same universe. Funnily enough I think a large reason the recent Trek stuff has been so bad has been that it's trying to ape Star Wars. At least in the sense of being about big explosions and gunfights and such. Good Trek is generally more low-key than Wars. Even the celebrated epic final battle from The Wrath of Khan is a reserved submarine hunt between two ships instead of a Star Wars style fast dogfight between massive squadrons.
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Feb 11, 2021 03:58
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galagazombie posted:Funnily enough I think a large reason the recent Trek stuff has been so bad has been that it's trying to ape Star Wars. At least in the sense of being about big explosions and gunfights and such. Good Trek is generally more low-key than Wars. Even the celebrated epic final battle from The Wrath of Khan is a reserved submarine hunt between two ships instead of a Star Wars style fast dogfight between massive squadrons.
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Feb 11, 2021 04:14
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Seems like this was a long time coming but Pascal's sister coming out as trans probably sealed the deal. https://twitter.com/io9/status/1359694915278499840?s=19 Good riddance.
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Feb 11, 2021 04:35
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Mat Cauthon posted:Seems like this was a long time coming but Pascal's sister coming out as trans probably sealed the deal. I gather she also just did a holocaust denial. Given they nixed her own show by December, they may have just been willing to not have Dune appear again, but it's got that they have to explicitly say she's done.
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Feb 11, 2021 04:44
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Glottis posted:gently caress it, let's just talk about Star Trek until something Star Wars happens Just enjoy this time in between the two biggest tidal waves of star wars stuff ever e: Mat Cauthon posted:Seems like this was a long time coming but Pascal's sister coming out as trans probably sealed the deal. both dunes not renewed in the same year, harsh Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 11, 2021 04:51
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Way to poo poo the bed on your cushy acting gig with the biggest media empire in the world. Please welcome our newest Fox News correspondent...
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Crackbone posted:Way to poo poo the bed on your cushy acting gig with the biggest media empire in the world. Also, probably headed to WWE to become women's champion.
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Feb 11, 2021 05:08
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Davros1 posted:I think the pay also has to be a factor. You'll see a Brit actor leave a British show after six episodes because "they don't want to get tied to one role", then come to the US and do twenty-two episodes a year for seven years. To be fair, six episodes for a British show is more or less equivalent to three seasons for an American show.
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DeimosRising posted:Don’t most people consider the first season pretty terrible? I haven’t seen it since I was a kid but I thought it got off to a pretty rocky start Yeah first season had more clunkers than good.
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Feb 11, 2021 12:10
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And yeah, it's hard to understate how crazy the original TNG set was, with increasingly senile Roddenberry and his lawyers having crazy demands and sexual harassment that would unfortunately be a recurring theme. (the reason Terry Farrel left DS9)
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:lol how did they not realize they had a winner It's also kind of crazy that in keeping with TV show schedules at the time, they did 25 shows per season and it was pretty expensive to produce. If I were Patrick Stewart signing a contract in 1987, I'd probably bet the show would only last a season. (I watched Encounter At Farpoint on my local ABC affiliate over antenna. Of all of the big three networks in my area, it was the worst so it was pretty hard trying to figure out what was going on. Somehow before the second episode and before the Internet, I managed to find the satellite feed Paramount used for networks and with my parents 6 foot receiver dish, watch the rest of the series and all of DS9 that way)
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A major problem was that Roddenberry brought on a bunch of old guys who had done the show in the 60s and assumed TV production still worked the same way.
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Crackbone posted:Please welcome our newest Fox News correspondent... She can't even do that because she's a charisma vacuum. Her career was dead in the water when she got the role on the Mandalorian so she basically took the kind of miracle that a lot of actors wait their entire careers for and tossed it in the garbage.
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Feb 11, 2021 19:36
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Wait, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Cause this is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to modern Star Trek missing the point entirely. Of course this is why I think Star Trek generally doesn't make for good video games while Star Wars does. It's hard to make an interactive experience based around sitting in chairs discussing the ethical considerations of saving the Cardassian Legislature from the Photonic Entity. It's easy to make a game about laser sword fights or "Star Fox but with X-Wings".
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Feb 11, 2021 20:51
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Actual question: does artoo ever roll around on three wheels in the sequels?
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galagazombie posted:Wait, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Cause this is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to modern Star Trek missing the point entirely. Of course this is why I think Star Trek generally doesn't make for good video games while Star Wars does. It's hard to make an interactive experience based around sitting in chairs discussing the ethical considerations of saving the Cardassian Legislature from the Photonic Entity. It's easy to make a game about laser sword fights or "Star Fox but with X-Wings". The adventure games are pretty solid- if you went more the old-PC-game route of a slow in-depth story-driven thing (maybe even an RPG) rather than fast action you could do something cool.
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Basebf555 posted:She can't even do that because she's a charisma vacuum. She'd spent her whole career either in small roles in big things (Fast and the Furious 6) or lead roles in really lovely DTV action films. Haywire was the only thing that didn't quite fit. She was, by nature, a very limited performer who was going to have a limited career, and, yeah, she struck gold with an extremely lucrative role that was within her very small wheelhouse. And she threw it away in an extremely stupid way for very stupid reasons.
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So funny how much easy money she threw away because she couldnt stop posting
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They had to dry roddenberry out on a week cycle. They sent him to rehab in the hills on the weekends
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Ingmar terdman posted:Actual question: does artoo ever roll around on three wheels in the sequels? Is R2 even in the sequels?
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Is R2 even in the sequels? He is but I don't believe he has quite as prominent a role (the little ball droid BB-8 kind of took his place).
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Feb 12, 2021 14:01
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From Force Awakens:
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Larryb posted:He is but I don't believe he has quite as prominent a role (the little ball droid BB-8 kind of took his place). Ahem, it's "little white cuck ball".
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idk if it has been discussed, but BB-8 is loving lame as hell and looks stupid when he moves.
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punishedkissinger posted:idk if it has been discussed, but BB-8 is loving lame as hell and looks stupid when he moves. It's also just unclear what his place in the story is supposed to be. R2 is Luke's cute and loyal sidekick (who also saves everyone repeatedly). BB is Poe's companion. They're separated at the start of TFA and he hangs out with Rey for a bit, but then she gets kidnapped and he returns to sit in Poe's backseat. Then that same cycle repeats in TLJ. He starts with Poe, then goes on Finn and Rose's adventure (it's unclear why). He saves Rose and Finn, further making them look ineffective as characters. He's reunited with Rey at the end of TLJ, which is strange because he's definitely Poe's droid and has spent all of 5 minutes with Rey. For some reason Poe leaves BB with Rey when she's doing her Jedi training. He's also kinda just there at the end as Rey takes on the Skywalker identity, despite there being a pretty obvious alternative astromech droid that would make more thematic sense to be there as she takes up that mantle.
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BB-8 doesn’t “belong” to anyone. He’s not a slave. I’m not sure why it matters who he is spending time with anymore than it does matter who the human characters are spending time with
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Feb 12, 2021 17:20
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Honestly surprised they didn't do the Transformers movie thing and blow up R2D2 to sell new toys.
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Jewmanji posted:BB-8 doesn’t “belong” to anyone. He’s not a slave. I’m not sure why it matters who he is spending time with anymore than it does matter who the human characters are spending time with droids are definitely slaves slavery is just everywhere in star wars if bb-8 doesn't hang out with poe anymore, poe literally has to go buy a new bb-8 to help fly his fighter X-wings are powered by slavery TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 12, 2021 |
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Alchenar posted:Then that same cycle repeats in TLJ. He starts with Poe, then goes on Finn and Rose's adventure (it's unclear why). Rian Johnson originally wrote it as a Poe & Finn adventure, but forgot to move BB-8 when he replaced Poe with Rose.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:04
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BB8 is better servers doing adventures than running around.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:06
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:droids are definitely slaves Droids depicted in Star Wars are mostly, and often, slaves. But not always. IG-88 for instance, is not a slave. I’m not convinced BB-8 is a slave either.
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A big part of bb8 floating from person to person is that the sequels are very interested in objects in a modular sort of way Everyone gets a turn in the falcon's cockpit and in the cannon chair. Rey flies red 5, finn wears poe's jacket. BB8 is in and out of xwings but R2 is swapped out in the final space battle. The blue lightsaber is passed from person to person and Luke has it in his projection etc It's a very lego logic kind of trilogy where pieces and parts are constantly swapped around. Maybe that's inevitable since disney is hellbent on turning the props into religious icons.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:32
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My main star wars fanboy complaint is that the the OT and the Prequels imply that R2 is a force-sensitive droid, and the Sequel trilogy basically drops him as a character instead of doing something cool with that.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:32
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How do the prequels imply that R2 is a force sensitive droid, OP
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Jewmanji posted:BB-8 doesn’t “belong” to anyone. He’s not a slave. I’m not sure why it matters who he is spending time with anymore than it does matter who the human characters are spending time with It doesn't really matter, but it's annoying/noteworthy because it is unclear. If BB8 were just a dude, it would stick out how he'd join quest party xy seemingly arbitrarily.
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What if (some) droids actually liked their lot in life Not every droid had a restraining bolt, and many seemed to evolve far beyond their programming and were in fact essentially human If you think droids are slaves, go give the comic where Artoo solos a Star Destroyer to save Threepio in Marvel Star Wars #36 (2017) a read
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Would the ones that like it like it because they've been able to have what you or I would consider a better life and rejected it? Or would they like it because they just don't know any better?
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