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If you're going to use gentoo, you may as well just do BFLS and roll your own distro. At least you can replace gnu coreutils, glibc and systemd with the latter.
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Poopernickel posted:what up my yocto brother, together we will rid the world of buildroot and all of its bullshit limitations make menuconfig bitch.
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gentoo with systemd is the best, but i would never dare to suggest to someone else to try it out except for once in this thread when someone talked about compiling brave for reasons you have to want to test it out yourself, people will have the worst experience of linux ever if you try gentoo without knowing what its deal is beforehand
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I went from UnixWare to Slackware. Only slightly less annoying.
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lol gentoo and best in the same sentence
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Tankakern posted:people will have the worst experience of linux ever if you try gentoo QFT
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i recently updated my htpc, it only took four days
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do you just play 4'33" on loop or something?
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Gentoo legit has some pretty cool tooling. I maintain an overlay with software that isn't in the main repository and writing ebuilds is much easier than writing deb or rpm packages. If you're involved in the low-level guts of the Linux ecosystem it's good. If you are not: Don't even think about using Gentoo.
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all this distro talk underscores the reason why linux is not "on the desktop" as long as the inherently limited human resources available to work on linux system integration are split across a hundred feuding distributions, doing redundant and often harmful work, linux can never improve fast enough to take on better funded commercial systems this is not my insight and it is not a new one, but it is so so very true
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BobHoward posted:all this distro talk underscores the reason why linux is not "on the desktop" nah. I don’t see any reason at all to assume that linux would improve faster if you took all the people who make debs and all the people who make rpms and forced them to work together. what exactly do you think they’d all do? also, macos and windows both have multiple competing package managers too!
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im gonna use fedora on my main cool beefy laptop but ive got this cheap as dirt 3d-printed one by my bed that i might try installing arch on for shits and giggles i would dual boot it on the main laptop but i cannot be loving bothered re-partitioning poo poo
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Soricidus posted:nah. I don’t see any reason at all to assume that linux would improve faster if you took all the people who make debs and all the people who make rpms and forced them to work together. what exactly do you think they’d all do? the secret ingredient is money
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REAL men use plan9
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hbag posted:REAL men use plan9 templeos  that dude
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you might think vim is good now, but imagine what it could be if the geniuses behind vim.deb and vim.rpm combined their talents to make an even better repackaging of someone else’s work. but alas,
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Soricidus posted:you might think vim is good now, but imagine what it could be if the geniuses behind vim.deb and vim.rpm combined their talents to make an even better repackaging of someone else’s work. but alas,
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If everyone used vim we'd be exploring the galaxy, star trek style.
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Soricidus posted:nah. I don’t see any reason at all to assume that linux would improve faster if you took all the people who make debs and all the people who make rpms and forced them to work together. what exactly do you think they’d all do? the vast majority of windows and macOS users do not use package managers
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Captain Foo posted:the vast majority of windows and macOS users do not use package managers windows sure but the macOS store is a package manager
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Soricidus posted:you might think vim is good now, but imagine what it could be if the geniuses behind vim.deb and vim.rpm combined their talents to make an even better repackaging of someone else’s work. but alas, perhaps i was a little too elliptical with "often harmful work" if the entire distro model didn't exist linux might not require constant repackaging of someone else's work idk what you'd put on the repackager's plates, but maybe some of them could actually learn how to create new and useful things, and the rest could, i dunno, try to help with documentation or something more to the point it would save upstream work too. it's well documented that the linux distro model imposes lots of burdens on anyone who wants to ship software on a linux
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AnimeIsTrash posted:If everyone used vim we'd be exploring the galaxy, star trek style. as someone who regularly uses and loves vim, vim is a loving nightmare to learn and i bet most users only use 10% of its actions
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Feb 26, 2021 01:33
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I have been using Linux for almost 20 years now and I never use Vim anymore. Nano, gedit, or a jetbrains IDE are the 3 editors I use constantly. I can use VIM, I used it for years. These days I’m just lazy.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:If everyone used vim we'd be exploring the galaxy, star trek style. sure if you mean the 1971 game
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i use doom emacs so i piss everyone off an equal amount
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BobHoward posted:if the entire distro model didn't exist linux might not require constant repackaging of someone else's work yeah, the windows solution of "go to random websites from the 90s and download executables that defeinitely haven't been compromised yet from sourceforge" is so much better
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hbag posted:im gonna use fedora on my main cool beefy laptop but ive got this cheap as dirt 3d-printed one by my bed that i might try installing arch on for shits and giggles if you're rebooting at all you done hosed up
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DoomTrainPhD posted:I have been using Linux for almost 20 years now and I never use Vim anymore. Nano, gedit, or a jetbrains IDE are the 3 editors I use constantly. I can use VIM, I used it for years. These days I’m just lazy. IMO Micro is my new favorite terminal text editor. Kate for my GUI text edior. infernal machines posted:if you're rebooting at all you done hosed up Doesn't Fedora literally do Windows style reboots to install updates? hobbesmaster posted:windows sure but the macOS store is a package manager What is the windows store then?
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Fedora only reboots for kernel updates and version release updates.
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Nitrousoxide posted:What is the windows store then? poo poo nobody uses
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Nitrousoxide posted:What is the windows store then? a miserable pile of secrets also, frequently broken
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infernal machines posted:if you're rebooting at all you done hosed up believe it or not i like my laptop to have a functioning battery
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Nitrousoxide posted:Doesn't Fedora literally do Windows style reboots to install updates? did i stutter? hbag posted:believe it or not i like my laptop to have a functioning battery but then why the hell are you using linux to begin with?
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Fedora only reboots for kernel updates and version release updates. Maybe I was thinking of Fedora Silverblue? I'm pretty sure that does do windows style reboots to install because of how it's architected..
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Windows and MacOS updates are so bad. I use my workstation when I work from home, so my work laptop will sit for months. When I went to update the laptop, Fedora was a simple “dnf update -y” and a reboot. Windows was multiple updates that took 10 - 30 minutes each to install with at least 5 reboots. MacOS updates are also huge and take 30+ minutes to install.
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infernal machines posted:did i stutter? ive got it set up to run powertop --auto-tune on boot i get like 12 hours out of 1 charge that's pretty loving good if you ask me
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If you update fedora through dnf it only needs to be rebooted for the kernel but if you update through gnome package manager (which you would imagine would be the preferred way these days) it downloads the packages and then reboots into an automatic dnf-like package installer then reboots again (lol). Stick to running dnf manually, OP
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lol does it also have 4 os partitions and an overlay fs on root or did they just grab reboot into firmware upgrade mode from embedded world
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pram posted:linux? like from jurassic park? my kid is loving nuts for jurassic park and you’ve just given me a great in for ruining his life by teaching him linux
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hobbesmaster posted:lol does it also have 4 os partitions and an overlay fs on root or did they just grab reboot into firmware upgrade mode from embedded world Firmware update mode isn't the preferred update method anymore. Thanks to cheap eMMC’s it's all about A/B updates.
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