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SchnorkIes posted:Why would a country without supply chain disruptions not universally use N95 or better Feels like a bit of a waste to issue every rando walking into a hospital for any reason or length of time (I'm in there for 5 minutes to fetch outpatient drugs from the specialist pharmacy) the more expensive mask that's getting binned as soon as they walk out the door again. edit - I should note that it's not just mask issuance, they also take your temperature and run you through a bunch of questions including whether you've recently been in any Australian hotspots and/or New Zealand
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freebooter posted:Feels like a bit of a waste to issue every rando walking into a hospital for any reason or length of time (I'm in there for 5 minutes to fetch outpatient drugs from the specialist pharmacy) the more expensive mask that's getting binned as soon as they walk out the door again. Yeah but how much does another lockdown cost? If masks are five dollarydoos each and ten hospitals each go through a thousand of them every day for a year, that’s only twenty million dollars.
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I don't see what hospitals have to do with lockdowns though? Like, this doctor either caught it from a) somewhere else in the community with an unknown cause eventually linking back to an airport or quarantine hotel, like the Avalon couple, or b) lax infection control around the COVID ward, which issuing all visitors N95s isn't going to fix.
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freebooter posted:I don't see what hospitals have to do with lockdowns though? Like, this doctor either caught it from a) somewhere else in the community with an unknown cause eventually linking back to an airport or quarantine hotel, like the Avalon couple, or b) lax infection control around the COVID ward, which issuing all visitors N95s isn't going to fix. Latest update says the doctor came into contact with 2 patients carrying the UK strain on Wednesday. The patients had been in hotel quarantine. It doesn't say when those patients tested positive but the doctor was wearing full PPE when she treated them so genomic testing is required to determine whether she contracted it from them. That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask those in other countries. How transparent have your authorities been regarding the sources of outbreaks and what measures were implemented to control them? Lolie fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Lolie posted:That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask those in other countries. How transparent have your authorities been regarding the sources of outbreaks and what measures were implemented to control them? 
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Well the very first outbreak in Germany (in March last year I think), was handled well and they got it under control. (A Chinese businesswoman infected 12 (iirc) workers at a meeting and was only diagnosed herself back in China because she had no symptoms). The second outbreak was a guy who went to a carnival meeting with 350+ people who had symptoms but hey, can't miss out on carnival... he got an entire county infected. However, a local major actually went on Facebook and posted a video that people should not shame the guy but show empathy because after all "who of us would miss carnival due to a little fever?"... yes that's how dumb these people are. And then it was everywhere. Contact tracing didn't work in the first place but they then just blamed too many cases. The only outbreaks you heard about were in meat packing plants and some other companies, essentially when a business was affected. Everything else was just a lot of cases. Not sure about now because we were doing well with our lockdown but they opened and our numbers are rising again. So maybe we will hear about an "outbreak" at a hair salon or a something but only once or twice before for is everywhere again anyway.
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The friend of our health minister who was given £37 billion to create a track and trace app which never worked is married to the guy who heads up the government’s misspending and corruption commission. If anyone thinks their country is bad.
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learnincurve posted:The friend of our health minister who was given £37 billion to create a track and trace app which never worked is married to the guy who heads up the government’s misspending and corruption commission. yo America is bad but I dont even think we're £37 billion bad lmao not for an individual instance of graft anyway
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Here's a lesson about political dividends: when the Australian federal government closed the national borders a year ago, lots of the smaller states also closed their borders. Western Australia, where I grew up, had the absolute hardest border, closed against basically everybody else, no matter what, no excuses, no two weeks hotel quarantine, just flat out no outsiders allowed to enter. (Apart from, ironically, Australians from overseas coming back into hotel quarantine - at one point I figured if I wanted to try to get back to WA I could try to get permission to leave the country, fly to Singapore or something, then try to fly back into Perth.) They stomped on their community transmission very early, kept the state border shut, and basically all my family and friends back home have been living life as though it's 2019. No masks, no distancing, holding concerts and sporting events and nightclubs, the whole shebang. They couldn't leave the state or the country, but they basically never had to think or worry about COVID. Here's how that translated in the election that took place today: 
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freebooter posted:Here's a lesson about political dividends: when the Australian federal government closed the national borders a year ago, lots of the smaller states also closed their borders. Western Australia, where I grew up, had the absolute hardest border, closed against basically everybody else, no matter what, no excuses, no two weeks hotel quarantine, just flat out no outsiders allowed to enter. (Apart from, ironically, Australians from overseas coming back into hotel quarantine - at one point I figured if I wanted to try to get back to WA I could try to get permission to leave the country, fly to Singapore or something, then try to fly back into Perth.) How did they maintain a normal standard of living without any imports? I didn't think that any of the Australian states could go full autarky hermit kingdom especially re: the usual suspects (pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, out of season vegetables, etc)
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SchnorkIes posted:How did they maintain a normal standard of living without any imports? I didn't think that any of the Australian states could go full autarky hermit kingdom especially re: the usual suspects (pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, out of season vegetables, etc) Hard border exempted freight. For Australia in general ships weren't permitted to dock unless they'd been at sea for 14 days, and since most of them have already been at sea that long by the time they get here, that wasn't a big deal; if crew did turn out to have COVID they were taken into Australian hospitals no matter how mild it was, and ironically it was WA that did most of that since it has the most import/exports in Australia's mining-focused economy. In terms of road and rail freight, I don't know what the rules were or how they were enforced, but since the rest of the country was mostly fine the whole year as well, it wasn't the same level of risk as if they were bordering somewhere in Europe or North America. Victoria was as bad as it got and at its peak that was something like 7000 active cases (many of them in aged care, hospital or self isolation) in a population of 7 million. So not the same as, for example, Canada's Atlantic bubble. With air freight I imagine it was the same as air crew for the passenger planes bringing returning Australians home - not as strict as the quarantine hotels, but crew instructed and trusted to self-isolate in their hotel, or homes if they're locals. Maybe there were stricter measures than that in WA, I don't know. I don't think any of that was bulletproof and there was certainly a lot of luck - and a lot of stuff I've seen about how the government was overly reliant on that border, and that seductive sense of isolation, rather than ramping up testing facilities and contact tracing capabilities should the worst happen if there was a breach. But so far so good, I guess.
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Good news! My school district announced yesterday that it was having a vaccine clinic for all school employees! Who are 50+! I'm 45. It's a good thing the virus will check to see how old I am in the classroom my district has mandated be filled with 30 kids (well, that's on the official roll, much less usually because of all the quarantines) because otherwise I'd be pretty loving mad about this poo poo. I'm planning to show up about an hour before the end of the clinic and see if there's any left and raise loving hell in a dirty Mason jar if there are and I'm told I can't get it even though no one's there for it. The best part was at the end of the email where it said something like, "If you do not qualify for the clinic there are some CVS and Publix apparently giving the vaccine, you figure that out and good luck." Like not even a loving link to anything, just "go figure it out." Let's just say that this whole loving Moloch-worshipping fiasco has radically changed what I feel my obligations to my employer are going forward, that's for sure.
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freebooter posted:Here's a lesson about political dividends: when the Australian federal government closed the national borders a year ago, lots of the smaller states also closed their borders. Western Australia, where I grew up, had the absolute hardest border, closed against basically everybody else, no matter what, no excuses, no two weeks hotel quarantine, just flat out no outsiders allowed to enter. (Apart from, ironically, Australians from overseas coming back into hotel quarantine - at one point I figured if I wanted to try to get back to WA I could try to get permission to leave the country, fly to Singapore or something, then try to fly back into Perth.) Apparently one of the ABC news anchors said "Before the election the Liberal party held 13 seats. Afterwards they’ll be lucky to fill a Toyota Corolla” which was A) a hell of a slam, and B) an extremely correct prediction.  freebooter posted:In terms of road and rail freight, I don't know what the rules were or how they were enforced, but since the rest of the country was mostly fine the whole year as well, it wasn't the same level of risk as if they were bordering somewhere in Europe or North America. I remember a few stories of people trying to sneak across the WA border by hiding in freight containers and stuff
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In the Discord for a fantasy football site I own, someone was talking about their dad being released from the hospital for Covid. They mentioned his oxygen level had been as low as 40. A bunch of us explained how bad that was, and that he should probably check his dad in if his O2 level dipped below 90. So they bought an oximeter. Yesterday, his dad registered below 90 so they convinced him to check back in. Turns out he had spots on his lungs that were the first signs of pneumonia. He is expected to make a full recovery, but the hospital said if he had waited any longer it would have been much worse and potentially fatal. So that guy was like "my dad is alive thanks to... this fantasy football messageboard?" And that bizarre statement symbolizes the state of American health education. Anyway, gimme some nugs and some chik-fil-a sauce with a side of homophobia, I'll pull up to the window, thanks!
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Drunk Nerds posted:And that bizarre statement symbolizes the state of American health education. I don’t think home pulse oximetery was the norm anywhere in the world before a year ago.
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Lazyhound posted:I don’t think home pulse oximetery was the norm anywhere in the world before a year ago. True, but I was referring to the past year specifically. Took 2 dudes on a weird alt messageboard to say " hey theres a $15 gadget that could save your dad's life." Not the hospital, not the media, but two rando dudes.
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Just a quick public service announcement. In most states (well the few I have checked here in the northeast) Utility company workers (electric,gas,water,telecom) are still not considered essential employees and are not in any phase yet to get priority vaccines. This is insane seeing as those services are vital and must be maintained 24/7. My company has had hundreds if not into 1000+ cases, with a dozen or more deaths. Not to mention the number quarantined due to possible exposure. Manpower is stretched thin yet the work continues on. Thankfully I have received both doses of Moderna, but only due to the fact I have underlying health conditions. This is still insane how utility workers aren't "essential" yet the moment one of those services go out, all hell breaks loose and government officials vow to make the utility companies pay because of how vital the services are and must be maintained 24/7. But now that there is a vaccine, we are told to pound sand and wait our turn. Society takes for granted all of those utilities. A lot goes on behind the scenes for a person to just flip on their light switch and have the light go on or turning the faucet on and having water.
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Some Guy From NY posted:Just a quick public service announcement. our society is sick and we need to revolt, in the form of voting in representatives who pass laws for people over profits
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Some Guy From NY posted:Just a quick public service announcement. It would be a shame if a storm brought down the power to the governor’s mansion and with all the workers out sick, it stayed down.
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Lazyhound posted:I don’t think home pulse oximetery was the norm anywhere in the world before a year ago. I bought one last year too. My Sp02 is generally about 95-96%. It should be 98-99%. I know it's completely normal but I feel like it's hurting my athletic performance (I do nothing most of the time).
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I bought one last year too. My Sp02 is generally about 95-96%. It should be 98-99%. I know it's completely normal but I feel like it's hurting my athletic performance (I do nothing most of the time). are you on any sort of blood pressure medication? because that can make it a little lower.
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I was looking for an amusing 'jab me' t-shirt to wear to my 1st vaccination as I need something with short sleeves, and was horrified to find Amazon sells anti-vax clothing directly - not even via some dodgy 3rd party. I guess their morals stop at 'does it make a buck'.
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Baconroll posted:I was looking for an amusing 'jab me' t-shirt to wear to my 1st vaccation as I need something with short sleeves, and was horrified to find Amazon sells anti-vax clothing directly - not even via some dodgy 3rd party. Link me please.
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Stuff like this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cool-Anti-Vax-Anti-Vaccine-Syringe-Vaccinations/dp/B07YMDWK8J
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I’ll send an angry email to all the amazon COVID response people with that type of stuff when I get to work on Tuesday. Doubt it’ll get anywhere but 
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Baconroll posted:Stuff like this, Thanks that linked me to a great looking book, something to read while in a pandemic https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anyone-Tells-Vaccines-Effective-Lying/dp/1091757712/
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Just got a tip from a work friend of a pharmacy near the office that got too many pfizer shots in and was accepting anyone who made an appointment, got one in for myself and my gf's dad next week 
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Some Guy From NY posted:Society takes for granted all of those utilities. A lot goes on behind the scenes for a person to just flip on their light switch and have the light go on or turning the faucet on and having water. There are so many groups of people who aren't shown anywhere near the level of appreciation they should be. In no particular order (and missing many I'm sure): Utility workers Scientists (Decades of basic science are why the vaccines happened so quickly) Grocery store workers Restaurant workers Farm workers/Food production Teachers Childcare workers Social workers Healthcare workers (Nurses, elder care) Garbage collectors (Try living somewhere without a functional garbage collection system. The litter everywhere is disgusting, hazardous, and frequently the air is full of burnt garbage) Janitors Morticians These are the people who make society run and worth living in and they should be given the respect and salaries commensurate with the importance of their work. I would love a government sponsored propaganda campaign shedding light on how important these people are and if private industry is unwilling to pay them they should be employed with good salaries by the government. Instead there's this push to encourage people to become software developers (like myself) whose only contribution to the world is to poo poo out yet another gig economy app for exploiting workers or some block chain thing that wastes more energy daily than all of Chile uses in a year. 7of7 fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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I got one after I had pneumonia a few years ago. I had been travelling, got really sick, but waited until I got home to get checked out. The doctor read my O2 levels at 73. I decided I never wanted to let myself take that risk ever again.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:are you on any sort of blood pressure medication? because that can make it a little lower. Prazosin now for PTSD nightmares, not for BP stuff, but I just started that. I was getting low readings last year. Today about 30 minutes ago I just got a 98% which was pretty good. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Thanks that linked me to a great looking book, something to read while in a pandemic Yeah we didn't need that vaccine for small pox lol those fools! It just went away. Like a miracle. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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7of7 posted:I would love a government sponsored propaganda campaign shedding light on how important these people are and if private industry is unwilling to pay them they should be employed with good salaries by the government. Instead there's this push to encourage people to become software developers (like myself) whose only contribution to the world is to poo poo out yet another gig economy app for exploiting workers or some block chain thing that wastes more energy daily than all of Chile uses in a year. I agree with everything you said but every industry you listed also needs software and I.T. people. Nobody forces developers to work for startups. (and nobody should expect that anyone can become a developer, protect incomes/pensions instead)
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Novo posted:I agree with everything you said but every industry you listed also needs software and I.T. people. Nobody forces developers to work for startups. (and nobody should expect that anyone can become a developer, protect incomes/pensions instead) One of the recurring problems in western society is that politicians and management types have fully bought into the myth that software can solve problems without needing hard work or people who understand the problems in the first place. It seems like the answer to every problem these says is spending a jillion dollars on AWS bills and yet another failed Deloitte software project instead of listening to actual experts or mobilizing people on the ground who understand the unique problems faced in each community. That's how we end up with 80 year olds who can't get vaccinated because the only way to sign up is to use a script to refresh a website every 5 seconds. https://twitter.com/jennygathright/status/1370791583642173448?s=20 Of course there are some activities such as the xray crystallography and genetics work for vaccine development where computers are a valuable tool but only because they are used by experts who understand the science rather than as a panacea to avoid putting in hard work or paying people to do important tasks.
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The only way to guarantee a secure income and hefty raises these days is software, until that changes people don't need an awareness campaign, they're well aware that other jobs don't pay them $175k right out of school to do nothing
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Apparently one of the ABC news anchors said "Before the election the Liberal party held 13 seats. Afterwards they’ll be lucky to fill a Toyota Corolla” which was A) a hell of a slam, and B) an extremely correct prediction. Antony Green followed up by saying they could fit in a motorcycle with a side car.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Prazosin now for PTSD nightmares, not for BP stuff, but I just started that. They just prescribed me prazosin, well, about a month ago but 'just' in the greater scheme of things, is it dropping your BP very much and really rapidly? I'm having trouble with it making me basically pass out 1/2 an hour after I take but then I wake up about 3 hours later disoriented with blurry vision. Pretty dangerous with my living situation so I've not been taking it as much unless I HAVE to sleep some. I mentioned it to the clinic that prescribed it and they pretty much shrugged and said that was an 'unexpected result' so I have no idea if that's common or what.
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