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CodfishCartographer posted:Awesome post, thanks! I want to clarify that by saying CSM was a blatant copy of JJK, I wasn't really saying that as a bad thing because CSM uses that expectation and really fucks with the reader cus of it. It definitely hints at where it's going with Denji's boob goal, the mundanity of the setting, and just the overall tone. However the surface-level stuff really makes it come off as a copy, and I think most readers will just think it's a copy that has a weird tone. The first few arcs really try to sell this to you, too. Here's a wacky group of characters, with a few waifu candidates too! Oh man this eyepatch girl likes top-knot, I wonder if they'll get together! It really works hard to get you into the Shonen manga groove, then she loving dies and half the "cast" dies or leaves the story wholesale. The attack on the train is what really "starts" CSM in my opinion, everything else before that point is solely setting up for that moment. Denji killing Aki is probably the saddest thing I've seen in a jump manga for years, and it from the same series that deals with death in a fairly casual manner.
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chiasaur11 posted:Roboco's selling pretty well for a gag manga, which probably secures its future. High School Family and Magu-Chan aren't so lucky, but gag mangas have low expectations, so they're probably not top of the chopping block. Honestly I don't Magu chan to hold on for long. But I hope it will get a good and wholesome ending like this manga deserves. Also lol, middle aged women and poster on dead forums love Mashle.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Awesome post, thanks! I want to clarify that by saying CSM was a blatant copy of JJK, I wasn't really saying that as a bad thing because CSM uses that expectation and really fucks with the reader cus of it. It definitely hints at where it's going with Denji's boob goal, the mundanity of the setting, and just the overall tone. However the surface-level stuff really makes it come off as a copy, and I think most readers will just think it's a copy that has a weird tone. The first few arcs really try to sell this to you, too. Here's a wacky group of characters, with a few waifu candidates too! Oh man this eyepatch girl likes top-knot, I wonder if they'll get together! It really works hard to get you into the Shonen manga groove, then she loving dies and half the "cast" dies or leaves the story wholesale. The attack on the train is what really "starts" CSM in my opinion, everything else before that point is solely setting up for that moment. That's fair. One thing that makes the whole bit work even better for me is how freely Chainsaw Man shows its hand there. It's constantly emphasized that Devil Hunters don't tend to last long. Aki and Himeno talk about how every rookie Aki trained before Denji has died or quit, she's got a long list of former buddies, the bar visit has one of the other Devil Hunters casually mention that their team's rookie died since Himeno last saw them. Dying fast is the default. But we know the genre. Even Attack on Titan is mostly lethal to background characters, with 'lethality' being a thing to hype the reader up more than to have an impact on the story. The leads are bulletproof. ...Except they're not. Himeno and Arai die the very next day after the get-together, and suddenly it's clear that this whole "Devil Hunting is a sucker's game" thing isn't just for show. Similarly, we get Aki's doom foreshadowed a mile away, but the genre says that people can break fate, that this isn't going to happen like we were promised... except the genre is wrong, and the Future is Best. Chainsaw Man is what it is from the start (unlike Jujutsu, which feels like it takes a little more time to rev up). It just takes a while to realize that what you see is what you get.
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chiasaur11 posted:Chainsaw Man is what it is from the start (unlike Jujutsu, which feels like it takes a little more time to rev up). It just takes a while to realize that what you see is what you get. Yeah definitely, shonen as a genre has you kind of shrug off all the warnings, but then CSM is like "no, they're being honest here" Also mostly unrelated, but I really like how drat near HALF of JJK has been the Shibuya fight and the immediate aftermath of it. It feels like the first half of the manga is entirely setup for the second half. It's a really unique setup for a shonen manga. I kind of hope that this is just like, the rest of the story, and that it wraps up kind of soon so that it literally is "the first half of the series is just there to set up for the huge-rear end battle of the second half"
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 01:31 |
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the jjk author did say that he thinks the series has about 2 years left in it. you never know with that kind of take but it doesn't seem like jjk is intended to be a one piece level perma run series
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Does anyone even want to work on a perma series anymore? It seems like such a monumental undertaking.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Does anyone even want to work on a perma series anymore? It seems like such a monumental undertaking. Considering how brutal the industry can be I'm sure most manga authors wouldn't say no to a guaranteed paycheck for the next 20+ years.
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Good point
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 02:59 |
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Jujutsu Kaisen may get lengthened. As it's getting super popular now, and Jump may not want to lose it in two years, just after Demon Slayer sold 130 million volumes, and is the Highest Grossing Movie ever in Japan, but was already in it's final arc when it exploded.
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Jagged Jim posted:Considering how brutal the industry can be I'm sure most manga authors wouldn't say no to a guaranteed paycheck for the next 20+ years. Is it garanteed though? Sales of WSJ are on the downswing and more and more of Jump’s bigger titles are coming from the plus side of things.
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 12:06 |
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Manga authors dont make much unless they get a mega hit. A big perma series takes them from scraping by to multi-millionaire. Even if the author doesnt enjoy doing it it's just too rewarding to not do if you get the chance.
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 12:24 |
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Apparently a Mangadex admin account got hacked and now the site is being DDOSed. Oops. Might be a manual shutdown instead of a DDOS to prevent the Admin account from screwing up anything. EDIT: And now it has come out that Mangadex' "savings" are in Crypto... RatHat fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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RatHat posted:Apparently a Mangadex admin account got hacked and now the site is being DDOSed. Oops. Might be a manual shutdown instead of a DDOS to prevent the Admin account from screwing up anything. Sounds like it’s time for another new site?
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 19:23 |
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Every time I've checked they exclusively take donations in crypto so that's not very surprising.
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Sindai posted:Every time I've checked they exclusively take donations in crypto so that's not very surprising. What a solid business plan.
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 20:20 |
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Mangadex is back up, and they've got a statement about what happened(linking to Reddit because the actual site is iffy right now). As for what you need to know, quote:Tl;dr: database from about 4 months ago was compromised. Passwords were encrypted hashed and salted (ie should be totally secure, thanks for the clarification), but should still be changed especially on accounts with the same password. Hope you didn't use a work email for Mangadex
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RatHat posted:Mangadex is back up, and they've got a statement about what happened(linking to Reddit because the actual site is iffy right now). I use an ancient dead drop email from Yahoo so nothing of value.
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# ? Mar 17, 2021 23:20 |
I really should just use a second personal email at this point for my more important poo poo.
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Zerilan posted:I really should just use a second personal email at this point for my more important poo poo. I use a password manager though so I don't share passwords between sites.
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Fabricated posted:Eh, I got 2FA set up for the primary two personal emails I have. If you use almost any mainstream site you've probably had your email address exposed and sold off. Yeah, this. They can have my e-mail if they like, every account has a separate password and 2FA, so I'm probably fine. (Not saying 100% because computers, nothing is really completely safe when it comes to this kind of stuff.)
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# ? Mar 18, 2021 11:18 |
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I've gotten to the Gaara Rescue arc in my Naruto re-read. Miscellaneous thoughts:
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 02:07 |
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naruto and sasuke did one real mission, a few miscellaneous chores, and two exams together. one or both of them were unconscious for most of the second exam, even. that is pretty much all of their contact prior to sasuke loving off and naruto becoming disturbingly obsessed with a casual acquaintance. sakura spent far more time with sasuke, but almost all of that was while he was in a coma so i wouldn't really call it a close relationship. kishimoto made some very peculiar choices.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:naruto and sasuke did one real mission, a few miscellaneous chores, and two exams together. one or both of them were unconscious for most of the second exam, even. that is pretty much all of their contact prior to sasuke loving off and naruto becoming disturbingly obsessed with a casual acquaintance. sakura spent far more time with sasuke, but almost all of that was while he was in a coma so i wouldn't really call it a close relationship. In his defense, the chuunin exam was actually an imposition from the editors. He wanted to take it slower with a series of arcs in other villages, but his editors wanted him to do a tournament. I do think he takes the blame for basing all of his character development of Sakura on her popularity polls. He pretty much admitted in interviews that he kinda dropped her because she was unpopular, and that really sucks for one of the main characters!
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:naruto and sasuke did one real mission, a few miscellaneous chores, and two exams together. one or both of them were unconscious for most of the second exam, even. that is pretty much all of their contact prior to sasuke loving off and naruto becoming disturbingly obsessed with a casual acquaintance. sakura spent far more time with sasuke, but almost all of that was while he was in a coma so i wouldn't really call it a close relationship. It's a very shonen thing to form a potentially unhealthy bond with someone you're only really acquainted with. See Gon from HxH killing himself over a man he only really knew for a week max including his early childhood.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:In his defense, the chuunin exam was actually an imposition from the editors. He wanted to take it slower with a series of arcs in other villages, but his editors wanted him to do a tournament. Lol that Kishimoto wanted to follow up what’s generally considered his best arc with more of that but his editors got him to do a tournament arc that introduced like one goodass character that got to keep being good. I guess how he implemented them was on him though but still.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 17:42 |
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Jump shooting its foot? The hell you say!
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I mean, I like the Chuunin exam and it was generally well-received, but there was a pretty funny interview where Kishimoto was like "I didn't want to do a tournament but my editors told me to do one. Then I got into it, but the editors told me to do the Konoha Crush instead of letting me end it properly." Source: https://naruto.fandom.com/f/p/2421257698017422741
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Sakamoto faces his touches challenge yet in Sakamoto Days Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/sakamoto-days-chapter-16/chapter/22232?action=read Mangaplus: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008995 Learning about personal space in Roboco Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/me-and-roboco-chapter-34/chapter/22226?action=read Mangaplus: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008975 Victory in Mashle Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/mashle-chapter-55/chapter/22225?action=read Mangaplus: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008955 I really like the main joke in Witch Watch Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/witch-watch-chapter-7/chapter/22234?action=read Mangaplus: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1009008 Zonze trying to get closer to Magu-chan Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/magu-chan-god-of-destruction-chapter-36/chapter/22223?action=read Mangaplus: https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008965
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Electric Phantasm posted:Sakamoto faces his touches challenge yet in Sakamoto Days No joke, I laughed at Witch Watch out loud. It was funny. Magic is so useful. Roboco was pretty meh. Not quite heartwarming, not quite funny. Mashle was great and I have little doubt it’s going to be great next chapter. Sakamoto was good. Those grannies cracked me up. Undead Unluck. Can someone explain unjustice to me? I don’t understand it at all, possibly because I missed a bunch of chapter when I wasn’t reading it. Pretty metal chapter otherwise. 9 dragon balls is still focused on being exactly what you expect a sports manga to be.
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Darth TNT posted:No joke, I laughed at Witch Watch out loud. It was funny. Magic is so useful. Unjustice works by forcing someone to do the "opposite" of what their justice is. This is kind of a wibbly wobbly concept if you think about it too hard, but ultimately it means they'll do the opposite of what they think is right, or will force them to commit what they perceive as injustices. Since this caused Billy to attack Juiz, I'm guessing it meant he didn't really want to kill her. Although then he seemed like he was about to finish her off, so I dunno if that was still the unjustice effecting him or not.
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With regards to Undead Unluck, I think it’s a simpler explanation: Billy doesn’t have a sense of justices about what he’s doing, he doesn’t really think what he’s doing is right or wrong. He’s either doing it for revenge or he’s pragmatic.
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Darth TNT posted:No joke, I laughed at Witch Watch out loud. It was funny. Magic is so useful. The last page looks like a set-up for the inevitable transition to battle manga... Anyway, this week's rankings (MHA and Yozakura Family have color pages and thus are not ranked this week; Witch Watch and Ball Parade still aren't ranked yet): 1. Jujutsu Kaisen 2. Elusive Samurai 3. Dr. Stone 4. Black Clover 5. High School Family (!) 6. Undead Unluck 7. Sakamoto Days 8. Me & Roboco 9. I Tell C (ranked for the first time) 10. Mashle 11. Magu-chan: God of Destruction 12. Hardboiled Cop and Dolphin 13. Ayakashi Triangle 14. Phantom Seer 15. Build King Taken from here; annoyingly, this guy leaves the series names untranslated: https://www.reddit.com/r/MangaRanking/comments/m9c2bm/weekly_shonen_jump_ranking_16_march_21_2021/ What happened to High School Family that made people suddenly start liking it? Good to see Elusive Samurai doing well, at least. Phantom Seer and Build King are still doing terribly.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 21:48 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jump's rankings weren't publicly available and that the ToC doesn't necessarily match them?
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 21:50 |
tell c
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jump's rankings weren't publicly available and that the ToC doesn't necessarily match them? I think it's that volume sales are much more important than rankings/the ToC
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jump's rankings weren't publicly available and that the ToC doesn't necessarily match them? Hmm. Looking this up, it's surprisingly hard to find a reliable source that clearly explains how the rankings work.
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Silver2195 posted:Hmm. Looking this up, it's surprisingly hard to find a reliable source that clearly explains how the rankings work. Dunno about rankings, but as far as I can tell, ToC does have SOME bearing on popularity as the most popular series almost always show up towards the front (to catch the eyes of people flipping through), but it's not a 1:1 ratio or anything. The #9 manga isn't necessarily more popular / a better seller / have a better chance of surviving than the #10 manga, for example. How it's actually determined though is purely just one dude who decides the order of things each issue, and his methodology is his and his alone.
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# ? Mar 21, 2021 22:22 |
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Anyway, finally read Sakamoto Days and it was another incredible chapter. Love how quickly it can switch from drama to borderline battle manga to comedy.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:With regards to Undead Unluck, I think it’s a simpler explanation: Billy doesn’t have a sense of justices about what he’s doing, he doesn’t really think what he’s doing is right or wrong. He’s either doing it for revenge or he’s pragmatic. That’s how it worked with the aliens. The leader alien did not attack himself or his allies cause he did not actually believe in the cause he was spouting.
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Elusive Samurai has been getting more and more interesting. I feel like it's making a case for itself even if it hasn't yet had its shining moment.
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