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zoux posted:Oh is that all Here's the thing. A few years ago I'd be saying the exact same thing, now i'm living out of my car in between where friends will let me stay under a roof for a few night, denied SSI, and increasingly being ground into the dirt by a society that very obviously wants me to gently caress off and die. If I didn't have an extremely generous ex-neighbor I don't know what I would've done during that deep freeze event in feb. I ain't looking forward to it, I will fully admit I expect to die within the next few years, in pain, and not having accomplished much, but once you have enough former believers in the system that notice everything has gone to goddamn poo poo and progress can only be measured in the number of police stations burned, well... Doesn't matter if its impossible, no matter how many people say it ain't gonna work; as biden and co completely fail to address underlying causes, well, folks are gonna have a go at it. It's easier than just waiting around to die.
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Apr 22, 2021 01:22
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I can understand that. https://twitter.com/taygoldenstein/status/1385026465763250176 Ah rip
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Apr 22, 2021 01:31
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https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1385051365903327232 Congratulations to the University of Texas for coming up with the stupidest possible resolution to this problem
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Apr 22, 2021 03:58
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Separate but equal marching band
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Apr 22, 2021 04:10
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1385051365903327232 I know my perception is mostly formed by alumni emails but Hartzell strikes me as much more of a good ol boy than Fenves ever was.
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Apr 22, 2021 04:19
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Sab0921 posted:Separate but equal marching band yeah really, good lord
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Apr 22, 2021 04:32
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There’s only one good “marching” band in Texas and it’s the MOB.
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Apr 22, 2021 04:37
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Sab0921 posted:Separate but equal marching band Oof
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Apr 22, 2021 04:38
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Cael posted:There’s only one good “marching” band in Texas and it’s the MOB. quote:In 1973 the Texas A&M Aggies took exception to a MOB performance which featured such typical MOB irreverence as Nazi-style goosestepping, turning the Aggie War Hymn into "Little Wooden Soldier March", and forming a fire hydrant while playing "Oh Where, Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone?" in reference to the Aggie mascot Reveille.[6] After the game, the Aggies formed an angry mob outside Rice's own stadium, trapping the Owl band inside for hours until police dispersed some of the crowd and allowed the band to exit, transported by food service trucks. In the years after this now-infamous show, attention has been focused on the shot at Reveille, and that this was an attempt to mock the mascot shortly after her death; in fact it was no more than "poorly-aimed scatological humor",[7] the mascot in question having been alive and present at the game. lol
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Apr 22, 2021 05:15
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Fuckin Aggies
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Apr 22, 2021 05:17
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zoux posted:The co-author of SB 30 is Royce West. Yeah it's hosed up that black kids have to be taught this, but while we're working towards an equitable society, a lot of black leaders see the value in teaching kids how not to be murdered by our racist criminal justice system. This is basically created formal curriculum for "the talk" black parents have to have with their kids about how to act around cops. One of these things is a societal blight inherent to human nature and will be fought against till the end of time. Punishing offenders and empowering victims with ways to defend themselves is going to be the only way to handle this. The other is the state telling us that there's nothing to really be done with the state killing everyone it feels like, but maybe you should have a chat with kids about how to not be murdered by the state. Have you considered being more compliant, citizen? LanceHunter posted:I'm living in the top floor of a five-over-one building on the same block as a subway station. It's almost fully occupied and a fun place to live. I know there's a strong urge to try and justify ones aesthetic dislike of something by giving it some kind of social justice veneer (see the "toxic masculinity" car club argument), but it rarely reflects reality. I'm not knocking the aesthetic; I'm stating the trend and making a gentrification joke while bitching that decent housing isn't affordable for drat near anyone. I'm sure very expensive apartments in the kind of city that would have a subway are fun though and I'm happy for you. zoux posted:Yeah "defund the police" is probably the biggest messaging misstep committed by the left in recent memory. I'm generously using misstep here. Houston PD doesn't need tanks. They don't need money for tanks. They don't need money to send all the cops to someone's important cousin's racial sensitivity clinic either. Governing based on "well what if the performative GOP backlash is worse!" is a large part of why we are where we are and mostly just exists as a really handy way for the Dem affiliated side of the political class to launder extremely reactionary (and profitable) policy as the Good and Sensible option for well meaning people. Of course a policy isn't going to poll well when you have decades of vehement support from both the media and politicians saying that, if anything, the cops just need more money. They'd be less racist if we just gave them cooler machine guns and new ways to monitor The answer isn't to give these assholes more money to fight a loving drug war with. I don't give a god drat what the GOP, or the Dems, think about that. eSporks posted:If people that oppose "defund the police" but support "lowering police budget and investing in communities", used all that energy to re-brand the movement instead of attacking it, then maybe we could get progress. But nope, the left is just going to eat itself over how to properly message itself to its opponent. that is literally what the thing means though? Marxalot fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 05:28
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people are literally getting murdered by the police but we're once again having the debate about whether dems delicate sensibilities are being offended with the word 'defund' these people are not your loving allies and will never vote for any meaningful change.
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Apr 22, 2021 06:57
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Manager Hoyden posted:Who are the people who enforce the law in this situation Ye Olde City Guard?
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Apr 22, 2021 07:42
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Sardonik posted:Gimmie that Vienna style social housing: Woah, looks like someone took a slice out of an O'Neil cylinder.
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Apr 22, 2021 09:49
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Ye Olde City Guard? In the cities. In the countryside it would be soldiers from the local noble's retinue. A local peasant militia or posse of vigilantes would also be possible depending on the time and place. Same fuckers as we have now, just more disorganized and called different names.
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Apr 22, 2021 10:00
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Reminder that there's a good chance the House will add medicaid expansion to the budget bill during floor debate today.
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Apr 22, 2021 13:59
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Marxalot posted:One of these things is a societal blight inherent to human nature and will be fought against till the end of time. Punishing offenders and empowering victims with ways to defend themselves is going to be the only way to handle this. quote:that is literally what the thing means though? Those people are the ones with bad messaging. They are the ones doing a disservice for devil's advocating their own beliefs.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:04
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Ok well, how's the defunding going then?
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Apr 22, 2021 14:11
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eSporks posted:Yea, I'm not sure what part is the issue. Part of the issue is every time someone says “It just means divert some money to social program”, someone else comes along and says “No, abolish the police!” The factions behind the message are definitely not unified. In addition, it’s a message that divides. A message that unites would be something like “Support our police by funding social services.”
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Apr 22, 2021 14:19
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I think there's a huge amount of people that fall perpetually into the "I support social services... But" camp. Rhetoric like "I support I social services, but where is the money going to come from." And "I know we need to change policing, but what do we replace it with" Defund directly addresses both. Now if those people are genuine in their concerns,they should stop attacking the movement. Try and re-brand it as "reinvesting in non-violence" or something. I don't think most of those people are genuine though. They are just mad that someone else is getting social services they aren't. Because they worked hard for what they got. They want to see unworthy people punished, and you won't change that. So, if you genuinely support the concept, but hate the messaging. Work to shift it. If you keep fighting against something you supposedly agree with, I'm just going to assume it's not genuine agreement. The Devil has enough advocates.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:22
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nelson posted:“Support our police by funding social services.”
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Apr 22, 2021 14:23
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I'm not advocating for the devil, I think the slogan is stupid, I don't think it has a constituency, it has resulted in no policies. There isn't a city in America that has meaningfully cut police budgets, and they sure as poo poo aren't going to now when the temperature is much lower than it was six months ago. Spending on LEAs is actually slightly up. You do have broad agreement on reforming the police, demilitarizing it, redirecting funding, increasing diversion programs and community treatment beds. There are places where progress can be made, in the near term, but Defund works at cross purposes to this, giving reform opponents a bogeyman they can and indeed already have used to roll back reforms or make future reforms harder. "Defund the Police" for is letting people feel badass by shouting (well, posting) radical slogans, and as far as that goes it's very effective. But policy making isn't The Secret, wishing doesn't make it so. I think a lot of the problem is that people want to fix the policing problem, but they also want to own the cops and make them feel bad and cry. I don't care about cop feelings I care about reducing harms caused by our racist and dysfunctional criminal justice system.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:40
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eSporks posted:That doesn't work, and hasn't worked. Cops don't need more tanks. What about that implied more tanks? I don’t think it’s ever been tried. Instead of the current bill that places limits on reducing police budgets, what if the law said whenever police funding is increased, social services funding shall also increase by at least the same amount. Whenever social services are cut, the police budget must also be cut by at least the same amount. nelson fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 14:44
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I agree with all of that, Zoux. Do you say the same things in public though, do you say the same things in a discussion if someone brings up how scary defund the police is? My argument, is that if you do, you are attacking your own beliefs. You should put that effort into rebranding the message into something more palatable. I'm not meaning to specifically target you either, but anywhere public discussion is taking place. Media, podcasts, legislators, influencers, the dinner table. If you support the idea and not the message, it's your responsibility to work on changing the message.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:46
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eSporks posted:If you support the idea and not the message, it's your responsibility to work on changing the message. It’s terrible slogan. Placing the burden on individuals to change the slogan doesn’t make it better.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:54
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zoux apparently hasn’t been to a protest in the last while if he just thinks it’s being posted lmao. Also, due to the strength of the slogan, police departments are actually being funded less in some areas. Here’s a news article about it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community zoux (my autocorrect keeps wanting to change your name to spud lol) is correct in that the slogan invented recently hasn’t fully come to fruition in just over a year or so though. I guess that’s technically a correct point. The rest is liberal handwringing.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:54
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Yes, I say the same things in public, but, like all of you, I don't have any conservative friends. I'm not on facebook, I don't ever interact with conservatives, besides from my parents, ever. Everyone in D&D is within one or two clicks of each other in terms of politics, which is why the "defund" posturing around here makes me roll my eyes.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:54
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*zoux, while constantly emitting a 37 second fart* but how will ‘defund’ play in Vidor?
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Apr 22, 2021 14:57
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I worry more about how it plays in Austin and here's how it's going: It's increasingly likely that cities are about to be legally barred from reducing their police budgets by a single penny, and that's exactly because of "Defund the Police". So, there's your measurable policy outcome. 
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Apr 22, 2021 15:03
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Oh no a setback. Let’s roll back out slogans to appease the gop, fellas. That’s worked in the past.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:04
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Captain Monkey posted:Oh no a setback. Let’s roll back out slogans to appease the gop, fellas. That’s worked in the past. Seems like the slogan is more important than the purpose, which is of course, exactly what I've been saying.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:06
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zoux posted:Seems like the slogan is more important than the purpose, which is of course, exactly what I've been saying. No. You just somehow don’t understand that conservatives are resistant to change. Which doesn’t undermine the value of the slogan and it’s positive effects elsewhere. It just means we have a conservative majority in our state currently.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:14
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I guess a better question would be: zoux, in your infinite centrist wisdom, what slogan do you feel would accomplish the policy goals behind the Defund slogan that has so offended your delicate sensibilities?
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Apr 22, 2021 15:37
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There isn't a slogan that accomplishes that, because issues are complex, and so are the solutions.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:40
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So you're just grumpy and have no real solution except that the slogan, chosen by black politicians and leaders in the black community, should go away because Texas didn't immediately defund their police departments since last May?
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Apr 22, 2021 15:42
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Captain Monkey posted:Also, due to the strength of the slogan, police departments are actually being funded less in some areas. This is the Texas Politics thread, not the Some Areas Politics thread.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:43
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nelson posted:This is the Texas Politics thread, not the Some Areas Politics thread. Austin literally led the pack in the amount defunded.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:44
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nelson posted:This is the Texas Politics thread, not the Some Areas Politics thread. The slogan is national, and it is what is being discussed. Also, Sardonik posted:Austin literally led the pack in the amount defunded. good post though I guess. edit: Also George Floyd, the man whose death led to the slogan becoming popularized last May had strong ties to the Houston community. And there were enormous marches all over Texas with the slogan.
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zoux posted:There isn't a slogan that accomplishes that, because issues are complex, and so are the solutions. So you understand the slogan isn't the issue and that by focusing on it you are just signal boosting for the opposition and creating a divide with people you agree with for no reason.
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