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Blindeye posted:A square HSS has more steel area and strength for a given maximum dimension, so for example a 10x10x1/2 has a 17.2 square inch area, whereas the 10x1/2 circular is 13.9. drat thank you I enjoyed that.
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StormDrain posted:drat thank you I enjoyed that. I did make one mistake; I should have said the square has ~25% more axial strength (assuming the same thickness steel). A dumb call on my part but I fixated more on the elastic buckling value (which likely controls the allowable in compression for the unbraced lengths we care about).
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Blindeye posted:A square HSS has more steel area and strength for a given maximum dimension, so for example a 10x10x1/2 has a 17.2 square inch area, whereas the 10x1/2 circular is 13.9. Right, it's the relative capacity of it rather than just the cross-section shape itself. A square HSS with the same outside dimensions and wall thickness as a circular HSS is stronger, but all square HSSes aren't inherently better than all round HSSes.
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Apr 26, 2021 16:46
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The Chairman posted:Right, it's the relative capacity of it rather than just the cross-section shape itself. A square HSS with the same outside dimensions and wall thickness as a circular HSS is stronger, but all square HSSes aren't inherently better than all round HSSes. Right but what I suspect the post you were referring to meant is they had a nominal dimension to meet and substituted a square/rectangular HSS for a circular HSS, which could very well lead this kind of failure.
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Apr 26, 2021 17:44
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Is this the thread where all the smart craftsmen hang out that could answer questions on whether something is crappy construction vs dangerous and needs to be fixed sooner? Or is there another thread that would be better? We just closed on a house and my wife is there but I'm out of state so I'm doing everything remotely through her pictures. I'm finding things that I think previous owners DIYed from annoying to potentially causing bigger problems now (blocking stucco wall drainage). Really just trying to get a sanity check on 'that's just dumb but not really a problem' vs ' you definitely want to do something about that this when you get there,' but don't want to clog up an unrelated thread.
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PageMaster posted:Is this the thread where all the smart craftsmen hang out that could answer questions on whether something is crappy construction vs dangerous and needs to be fixed sooner? Or is there another thread that would be better? We just closed on a house and my wife is there but I'm out of state so I'm doing everything remotely through her pictures. I'm finding things that I think previous owners DIYed from annoying to potentially causing bigger problems now (blocking stucco wall drainage). Really just trying to get a sanity check on 'that's just dumb but not really a problem' vs ' you definitely want to do something about that this when you get there,' but don't want to clog up an unrelated thread. In general anything that looks DIY'd with water, drainage, drains, etc. is a huge danger sign because even a small fuckup could have caused immense hidden damage you won't know about until you spot the black mold and an entire wall just sloughs off. Though I'd start by asking: Why have you bought a house without being there in person to go through it in extremely fine detail? This seems like a bad decision from the get-go.
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I'm just the peanut gallery but to my understanding this isn't so much the serious evaluation thread as it is the point and laugh at the dumb thing someone did thread, although the upshot is, if you post something and it's really bad, you're still gonna know pretty quickly
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Apr 26, 2021 20:05
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The stickied fix it fast/diy resource mega thread would be a good place to post any questions.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:09
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Please post the pictures here regardless
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Apr 26, 2021 20:17
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What the gently caress is happening with my kitchen ceiling? E: the brown is particle board, not drywall paper btw.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:30
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it's coming off looks like
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Apr 26, 2021 20:32
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It’s molting. Make sure your kitchen has some dry bark or rock to rub up against to flake off the rest of the drywall which it is outgrowing.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:42
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Blindeye posted:A square HSS has more steel area and strength for a given maximum dimension, so for example a 10x10x1/2 has a 17.2 square inch area, whereas the 10x1/2 circular is 13.9. What about the costs?
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Apr 26, 2021 21:46
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iv46vi posted:What about the costs? Less than the cost of having to build the whole thing again when it comes down.
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Thanks! I'll take a look at that DIY thread and see if that works for the smaller nitpicky items. The two main things i'm digging into first are that EVERY bedroom window butts into the corner like this: Which is comically ugly and I can't believe was designed this way so I feel like someone did it themselves. I'm not an expert at framing windows but I do normally see a couple inches on the side of the windows for studs so I'm not sure what the details are on building it this way. The corner baseboard trim also looks like it was photoshopped in badly and hurts my eyes. Out in back, it looks like they poured pavement (and filled with dirt) against the foundation but up to the height of the stucco siding:   this is a hot and dry desert environment, but I feel like you still want to keep 4 to 6 inches open below the weep screed. quote:Though I'd start by asking: Why have you bought a house without being there in person to go through it in extremely fine detail? This seems like a bad decision from the get-go. Definitely would not recommend it either but apparently remote viewings are all the rage now! I had just finished chemo and radiation and wasn't jumping into the heart of COVID country, and I probably wouldn't have been much use with the brain fog anyways, but but our inspector caught more of the trivial stuff inside. PageMaster fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 22:58
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iv46vi posted:What about the costs? poo poo, cost of structural steel is relative. Common sizes are cheaper than smaller but less common ones, and where you can source them from due to shipping costs. Long lead procurement is almost always cheaper than ordering sections as substitutions at the last minute means you are paying retail prices, essentially. Outside of common sizes and lengths a lot of shapes are produced to meet long term orders periodically, not all the time, plus a small amount to sell at a markup. What can happen is an engineer's design gets a pen and ink change by the fabricator/construction contractor because maybe they can't procure a certain shape to meet schedule or budget. If it was done properly you get a design change notice and engineering evaluates and signs off on it. If engineering rubber stamps the change or the construction contractor goes rogue, welp.
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PageMaster posted:Thanks! I'll take a look at that DIY thread and see if that works for the smaller nitpicky items. The two main things i'm digging into first are that EVERY bedroom window butts into the corner like this: Okay, so you've already bought this house and now somebody needs to tell you it was built by an amateur who "design/built" it who didn't know how sheet stock and trim offsets work. They were just as surprised as you after framing in those windows and then putting up sheetrock and went "well gently caress." I can't wait to see what ELSE you find.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:28
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Corner windows are a thing, at least that looks like you can still open the shutter easily. Good spot for a desk imo.
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Apr 26, 2021 23:38
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peanut posted:Corner windows are a thing, at least that looks like you can still open the shutter easily. Good spot for a desk imo. Yeah, but they're normally one unit, not that. Motronic posted:Okay, so you've already bought this house and now somebody needs to tell you it was built by an amateur who "design/built" it who didn't know how sheet stock and trim offsets work. They were just as surprised as you after framing in those windows and then putting up sheetrock and went "well gently caress." God I hope this is a (small) addition for OP's sake, and the whole house for the thread's sake.
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I wanna see how that corner and those window headers are framed.
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Motronic posted:Okay, so you've already bought this house and now somebody needs to tell you it was built by an amateur who "design/built" it who didn't know how sheet stock and trim offsets work. They were just as surprised as you after framing in those windows and then putting up sheetrock and went "well gently caress." For example found the kitchen hood duct today that vents outside that they built a cabinet around and installed a recirculating range hood under.  Not necessarily looking for someone to tell us that there was some unimpressive DIY work done, but more if anything is dangerously wrong or unsafe in the now as we go through and start working on everything else. Things like peanut posted:Corner windows are a thing, at least that looks like you can still open the shutter easily. Good spot for a desk imo. at least hopefully mean the previous owners haven't made this unsafe at much at just badly executed and planned. Edit: if this IS a bad thing in happier to know now than later to start taking care of it. PageMaster fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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PageMaster posted:Not necessarily looking for someone to tell us that there was some unimpressive DIY work done, but more if anything is dangerously wrong or unsafe in the now as we go through and start working on everything else. Things like Unimpressive DIY of that level indicates a DIY house build (the windows) so....... What did the professional home inspector that you hired to evaluate the safety and condition of this home put on his report that surely you read before you proceeded with buying it?
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Motronic posted:Unimpressive DIY of that level indicates a DIY house build (the windows) so....... Nothing about the windows, but a bunch of other smaller things we had them take care of or pay us for. I was just going through them and figured I'd get a sanity check on something in not as smart on.
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PageMaster posted:Nothing about the windows, but a bunch of other smaller things we had them take care of or pay us for. I was just going through them and figured I'd get a sanity check on something in not as smart on. Oh man, so you actually did get it inspected. That leaves me with more questions than answers. You're asking about landscaping issues and I'm looking at that photo scratching my head about much more interesting problems: 
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Looks like a squashed downspout and some coax tacked on by whatever tech the service provider sent?
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Bad Munki posted:Looks like a squashed downspout and some coax tacked on by whatever tech the service provider sent? That's what I see.
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Uhh, people could fall and impale themselves on those red arrows.
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Motronic posted:Oh man, so you actually did get it inspected. That leaves me with more questions than answers. Yeah I assumed their old landscaping company hit the side of the house there doing work. It was actually one of those companies that acts as a realtor and renovates before selling the house for you. Fortunately they only did the 'landscaping' before they were fired (they had a lien paid off in the sale) and we got almost $10k in credits after fighting with the sellers over the inspection items which surprised me in this market. My impression is that they were really just lazy and only wanted to do the bare minimum in upkeep. Don't want to E/N up the thread with our our personal situation or turn it into 'my house's thread,' just wanted to make sure I could get called out for at least anything incredible dumb and unsafe so I can take care of the family, though as we do find genuinely crappy construction I'll be sure to share it. PageMaster fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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I'm really worried about that seemingly unflashed concrete possible holding water against the base of the wall.
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It's absolutely loving mind boggling to me what people will buy and what rights they'll waive in this market. I'm hearing from friends that they're waiving inspection and paying mid to high 5 figures over asking because if they don't someone else will and they won't get the house. Insanity. But then again I've bought a cursed house already and know what level of bumblefuckery 99% of homeowners are apparently willing to hide in walls.
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I paid 10 under asking (which was already 50 under comp asking which sold at the same time for 80k more -- they had some what bigger years but not 80k bigger) with just an appraisal waiver (which didn't matter because I didn't need one) in one of the hotter neighborhoods in my city in CA in November. I'm still not sure how I did that. Other party didn't stage the house and didn't even repaint the walls, which I think helped.
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Bad Munki posted:Looks like a squashed downspout and some coax tacked on by whatever tech the service provider sent? Yes, squashed downspout but that looked like the bottom of the stucco/EIFS/dryvit to me. I think you're right that it's a crappy cable install. PageMaster posted:Yeah I assumed their old landscaping company hit the side of the house there doing work. It was actually one of those companies that acts as a realtor and renovates before selling the house for you. Fortunately they only did the 'landscaping' before they were fired (they had a lien paid off in the sale) and we got almost $10k in credits after fighting with the sellers over the inspection items which surprised me in this market. My impression is that they were really just lazy and only wanted to do the bare minimum in upkeep. So you bought a house in maintenance debt, sight unseen. You knew it was in maintenance debt and you don't know what things cost to fix (lol $10k). I mean, it's a lovely time to be buying a house and all, but you're asking the wrong questions and way too late. Don't worry: you're in good company. Seems everyone is unloading their problematic C/D-tier properties and A/B-tier prices now and there's always a buyer for them.
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And here is my dad on the other side of the spectrum. In this market he has already repainted the whole house, has someone coming to clean the siding and outside windows. Is having the deck re-stained, carpets professionally cleaned, etc. His agent is like NO NO NO, your house will sell in 1 day without any of that! He wants to bring in his own home inspector to see what he should fix before its even on the market! Ugh.
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That's too much even in a "normal" market. But it sounds like he's having fun and whoever buys the place probably won't know just how lucky they got.
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Apr 27, 2021 13:48
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But he's not handy. He'll pay someone to do everything.
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GreenNight posted:But he's not handy. He'll pay someone to do everything. Ugh. Sorry. Good news: houses are going for so far over that he's not gonna lose much on doing this......hopefully......
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GreenNight posted:And here is my dad on the other side of the spectrum. In this market he has already repainted the whole house, has someone coming to clean the siding and outside windows. Is having the deck re-stained, carpets professionally cleaned, etc. His agent is like NO NO NO, your house will sell in 1 day without any of that! dang, sounds like your dad is being a decent human being and not wanting to saddle someone else with a lovely maintenance debt just to turn a quick profit.
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GreenNight posted:And here is my dad on the other side of the spectrum. In this market he has already repainted the whole house, has someone coming to clean the siding and outside windows. Is having the deck re-stained, carpets professionally cleaned, etc. His agent is like NO NO NO, your house will sell in 1 day without any of that! So, I do actually think basic cosmetic stuff will help the sales price. Sure the house will sell in 1 day either way, but with a bit more stuff, you might get far more money than needed. I dunno, so many agents just want to make that check today. Getting an inspection and knowing the problems is kind of dangerous. It does seem fairly standard here to get roof and termite inspections before putting it on sale. They don't (normally) fix it, but it sort of heads off the negotiation on the back end. You can't ask for cash to fix when you knew the problem was there when you bid.
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I always feel a bit bad for people that live in a house for a while and don't make major improvements to it until they're trying to sell.
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Sirotan posted:I always feel a bit bad for people that live in a house for a while and don't make major improvements to it until they're trying to sell. I love the "make major improvements and stop halfway till it's time to sell" part. Master bath in my mother's house was unusable for "improvement" for a year and change, because they got started and just never finished. Heated floors, real nice bath & shower, whole thing was great when it was finished... but it didn't get finished until about two weeks before they listed it to sell and move, so they barely even got to use it and it actively impeded them for that long. Now they get to deal with the previous homeowner's weird DIY things like "installing a full kitchen complete with gas range in the furnace room of the basement". (I'm pretty sure it's vented. Pretty sure.) Re: dad fixing house before selling, good on him. It's a shame it's not the standard, but that's what happens when "pass along a good home" plays second fiddle to "make bank off the sale". Ah well.
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