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JOHN SKELETON posted:I just want some good Forsaken actors. Ishamael, Graendal, and Demandred should be outright devouring the scenery in every scene. Maybe Jeremy Irons for Ishamael? Willem Dafoe is good in that regard too.
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May 18, 2021 21:12
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Willem Dafoe doesn't really fit the physical descriptions of any of the Forsaken I don't think, but yeah whatever. Cast him as Rand if you can get him
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May 18, 2021 21:23
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Since Rand's already cast, get him as Lews Therin.
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May 18, 2021 21:29
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th3t00t posted:Adam Beach as Gaul Doesn't seem like a great fit for the pale skinned, red haired, green eyed Gaul.
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May 18, 2021 22:34
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Vavrek posted:
th3t00t posted:Adam Beach as Gaul 
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May 18, 2021 23:04
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There better be some female gaze shots of Perrin, given part of Faile’s political strategy in the Two Rivers was “call my hot sweaty husband in and watch the Women’s Circle’s brains short circuit.”
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May 18, 2021 23:11
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Were there any major good guys that were described as unattractive? I'm struggling to remember one.
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May 18, 2021 23:12
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Uno
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May 18, 2021 23:15
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Colonel Cool posted:Were there any major good guys that were described as unattractive? I'm struggling to remember one. Bayle Domon
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May 18, 2021 23:15
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Oh and Rand's disguise trying to avoid Elayne because he's a dumbass
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May 18, 2021 23:16
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Does Rand count since he’s a Jordan self insert? Just look at this specimen:
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May 18, 2021 23:17
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Maybe Lan? I don't remember him being described as attractive so much as made out of angles and stone
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May 18, 2021 23:19
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there's unattractive and then there's 'unattractive', where someone is gruff and hard-angled but is still very attractive to a wide swath of people lan is probably very solidly the latter
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May 18, 2021 23:30
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Colonel Cool posted:Were there any major good guys that were described as unattractive? I'm struggling to remember one. I think this hinges on what you mean by major. Siuane is always described as really plain and then there's Olver who Jordan can't mention without reminding us the kid is ugly as hell.
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May 18, 2021 23:32
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Zore posted:I think this hinges on what you mean by major. Several of the Ashamen are described as varying degrees of unattractive including things like jug handle ears, but you have the taint and the madness complicating that. Vanin is a lumpy sack of fat that's an incredible horse
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May 18, 2021 23:41
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Democratic Pirate posted:There better be some female gaze shots of Perrin, given part of Faile’s political strategy in the Two Rivers was “call my hot sweaty husband in and watch
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May 18, 2021 23:51
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You know what, gently caress it. I'm on board with that. Let's go full 70s cheese and have the whole show be attractive people in varying stages of undress with ludicrously lingering shots on their bits, both male and female. Why the hell not.
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May 18, 2021 23:57
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Duran Duran best be in the sound track
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May 19, 2021 00:02
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Zore posted:I think this hinges on what you mean by major. I guess maybe I mean good guy characters, that are in a majority of the books, and have frequent point of view chapters. Would-be protagonists. Siuane probably counts.
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May 19, 2021 00:18
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If we can combine them, maybe Egeanin and Domon together...probably still not major enough I guess.
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May 19, 2021 00:36
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I was second guessing myself about how often Siuan had point of view chapters and found a stats page on how many PoV chapters each character gets. Siuan with 18 comes in just ahead of Fain, tied with Cadsuane, and behind Gawyn and Galad.
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May 19, 2021 02:08
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Colonel Cool posted:I guess maybe I mean good guy characters, that are in a majority of the books, and have frequent point of view chapters. Would-be protagonists. Would we count Verin here? She's probably the best example though her POVs are limited due to her twist
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May 19, 2021 02:16
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Invalid Validation posted:Does Rand count since he’s a Jordan self insert? Just look at this specimen: Now way, Mat is Jordan's insert. Just look at that hat.
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May 19, 2021 03:46
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Stormangel posted:Now way, Mat is Jordan's insert. Just look at that hat. May doesn’t have enough girlfriends, sorry.
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May 19, 2021 04:36
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Mat thinks Siuan is pretty when he meets her in Salidar. Bayle is just attractive to a specific different type of dude-fancier. (Egeanin certainly thinks he's hot.) The only people really described as ugly are any of the men Birgitte's interested in, Olver, and Graendal's reincarnation. Everybody else lives on a scale from plain to smokin'.
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May 19, 2021 05:27
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And Verin, who is dumpy.
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May 19, 2021 05:28
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Zore posted:Would we count Verin here? She's probably the best example though her POVs are limited due to her twist I was wondering that too. I think probably not? She seems like more of a (really cool) side character.
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May 19, 2021 05:54
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Maybe this was just Jordan's way of saying that everyone is attractive to someone else even if they aren't conventionally hot. There are those that transcend and are just stunning like Galad, and then there are those like Olver who is a total troll but even someone like Birgitte would find him hot when he grew up.
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May 19, 2021 06:07
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Invalid Validation posted:May doesn’t have enough girlfriends, sorry. Mat has sex with more than 3 women throughout the series, unlike Rand. But really all 3 two rivers boys are self inserts of different parts of RJ's life, which is Writing. Good writers just don't take it to Mary Sue levels. Stormangel fucked around with this message at 10:49 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 10:39
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So Mat is young RJ, who had lots of casual sex, Rand is RJ a bit older when he had 2 girlfriends, and Perrin is oldest RJ with his horrible wife?
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May 19, 2021 11:00
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Torrannor posted:Doesn't seem like a great fit for the pale skinned, red haired, green eyed Gaul.
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May 19, 2021 13:45
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That's kind of the thing exactly: Rand has to look Aiel. Aiel have to look like Rand. It's basically the only plot-required appearance-based casting decision. They cast somebody who pretty well matches the book description of Rand, so the Aiel also have to.
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May 19, 2021 14:08
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:And Verin, who is dumpy. Verin is librarian cute
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May 19, 2021 14:16
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Verin is librarian cute Verin...Velma... The wheel turns!
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May 19, 2021 14:20
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Vavrek posted:That's kind of the thing exactly: Rand has to look Aiel. Aiel have to look like Rand. It's basically the only plot-required appearance-based casting decision. They cast somebody who pretty well matches the book description of Rand, so the Aiel also have to.
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May 19, 2021 14:23
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The show is not going to be anything close to the books. There’s too much stuff in them to shove into a TV show without it going 10 seasons. You’ll get the broad strokes but that will be it. GOT had like 4 books and it had trouble keeping up with it.
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May 19, 2021 14:27
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th3t00t posted:And people from the two rivers are supposed to look alike, yet they've cast people with African lineage, some with Indian and then Tam is Irish. The consistent description of Two Rivers folk is they're relatively dark-complected, there's still people from other regions around, and that nobody suspected Rand wasn't Tam's son
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May 19, 2021 14:28
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yeah, there's all sorts of vague poo poo that media will throw around to talk about someone reminding them of another person or people at large, it doesn't have to be some massive phrenology campaign to figure out the perfect range of suitable actors + the hundreds of extras probably needed to fill out scenes. for as much as the books will note little cultural details they also spend a whole hell of a lot of time not really giving a poo poo unless it's directly plot-relevant. there's also the fact that the aiel have a decently broad range of hair colors and things like eyes can be easily solved with contacts.
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May 19, 2021 14:34
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jordan inserted himself, but not as a main character
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th3t00t posted:And people from the two rivers are supposed to look alike, yet they've cast people with African lineage, some with Indian and then Tam is Irish. I think the only consistent description of Two Rivers folk that I remember is that, other than Kari and Rand al'Thor, nobody has blue or green eyes, or red hair, and no one is blonde. I mean, there's probably more there in the books if I read closely, but that's the stuff I remember and which I figure is vaguely plot-relevant. edit: I get what you're saying about the diversity of appearances in the cast for Two Rivers folk. What I mean is, I don't really remember much explicitly saying that all the Two Rivers folk looked strongly alike, other than having dark hair and eyes. There's probably a good argument about what skin tone they might have, but there you have less direct, explicit evidence, and you're straying into Randland's weirdly delineated ethnic groups, which is one of those things that I think isn't plot relevant. But yeah. Uh. I think the point, which I lost somewhere along the way, was: there has to be enough of a consistent appearance among the Aiel that Rand can "look Aiel". If Aiel are diverse in appearance, then Rand looking exactly like he's an Aielman in Andoran clothes goes away, because he has to look like J. Random Aiel. There does not, I think, really have to be a consistent physical appearance among any other group, because there isn't any similar instance of physical appearance and cultural dress not matching. They could certainly tone down how distinct in physical appearance the Aiel are, I just think doing so is more of a plot change than not requiring every Altaran to have an olive complexion or every Domani coppery skin. edit 2: Plot changes are fine! I just want them to be acknowledged as plot changes. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 16:40 on May 19, 2021 |
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