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Invalid Validation posted:I’ll give Jordan credit, he didn’t just make Rand a blademaster immediately like most people would. He’s a loving bumbling idiot with it for a couple books at least.
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Nihilarian posted:well he's a blademaster by the end of book 2 That was like 50% saidin saving his rear end. He could probably be capably called a Blademaster by book 4/5 though. Invalid Validation posted:*pulls dong when upset*
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# ? May 20, 2021 15:00 |
Only when upset?
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# ? May 20, 2021 15:42 |
That’s how they know I’m lying. I’m very bad a poker.
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# ? May 20, 2021 17:01 |
They got a second season already, so that's a good sign. They should hopefully at least get to the Seanchan and their Texas accents. https://www.tor.com/2021/05/20/amazon-the-wheel-of-time-season-1-wrap-season-2-greenlit/
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# ? May 20, 2021 18:02 |
I’m pretty sure they had two seasons ordered before season one was being filmed.
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# ? May 20, 2021 18:07 |
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Mat Cauthon posted:That was like 50% saidin saving his rear end. He could probably be capably called a Blademaster by book 4/5 though. I don't think he channelled in Falme? He still didn't know women couldn't feel him channel so he wasn't doing it intentionally and I don't recall any hints that he did it unintentionally.
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Spek posted:I don't think he channelled in Falme? He still didn't know women couldn't feel him channel so he wasn't doing it intentionally and I don't recall any hints that he did it unintentionally. he channeled a ton in Falme, or did you think he activated his anti-gravity implant when he started walking into the loving sky Also, his internal dialogue makes it clear he just surprised his enemy, and would have loving bought it if the Seanshan-guy hadn't severely underestimated Rand, thanks to Rand's insistence on starting the fight refusing to even assume the Void, just because he was scared of grabbing Saidin
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Libluini posted:he channeled a ton in Falme, or did you think he activated his anti-gravity implant when he started walking into the loving sky
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Libluini posted:he channeled a ton in Falme, or did you think he activated his anti-gravity implant when he started walking into the loving sky Well that was after the duel, but yeah kinda, I honestly interpreted that as the horn doing it. And the horn is supposedly from before the age of legends or something so who knows how it works. But idk that whole segment is very dream-like and Rand still didn't consciously control his channeling a lot of the time back then so who knows.
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# ? May 21, 2021 01:00 |
https://www.wotseries.com/2021/05/20/breaking-season-1-wrapped-season-2-greenlit-rafe-qa/ Nothing we didn't already know or guess.
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# ? May 21, 2021 01:07 |
So Audible keeps throwing free trials at me, and I just got Eotw. Dragonmount sent chills down my spine. I'm regretting waiting so long to grab these!!!
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# ? May 21, 2021 01:59 |
The character rafe is most excited about that first appears in s2 has a name beginning with EL. There’s like 40 of those. What a hilarious troll this pre release hype stream is. VvvvvV yeah it’s great. Anias fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 21, 2021 |
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Anias posted:The character race is most excited about that first appears in s2 has a name beginning with EL. There’s like 40 of those. What a hilarious troll this pre release hype stream is. Just for fun, all the characters whose names start with EL from http://sites.ugcs.caltech.edu/~karlh/cgi-bin/wot.cgi?book=all&type=alphafirst&desc=initial quote:Elaida do Avriny a'Roihan, NS, p. 32—Aes Sedai of the Red Ajah. She was the only woman besides Siuan and Moiraine to finish novice training in less than three years. She finished Accepted training in less three years as well, also a record. Moiraine describes her as a “detestable woman.” She currently serves as advisor to the Queen of Andor, a post she has held for three years. See also Trakand, Morgase.
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# ? May 21, 2021 02:36 |
Nihilarian posted:It doesn't really matter the circumstances. In order to take advantage of the opponent underestimating him - or any other mitigating factor you could come up with - Rand had to be blademaster level himself. A nonblademaster would have ate poo poo even if he was a bit better than the dude expected. Beyond that aspect it was a fairly straightforward duel. I don't think this is true or that the material supports it. Rand has lots of advantages on his side when he fights Turak: - Trained by Tam - Training with Lan and the other soldiers in Shinowa - Some residual experience from LTT's life and his alternate lives in the portal stone - He can channel, or at least touch saidin, which confers some physical and mental strength just by achieving the Void. All of those things certainly put him on a decent enough footing to not immediately get murked against Turak. That said, he's not a Blademaster during their fight. Not yet. Let's go to the tape. posted:Rand desperately wanted to seek the void. It was plain he would need every shred of ability he could My take here is that while Rand might have had the technical expertise of a Blademaster, it was not until his fight with Turak that he achieved the "edge" that actually made him one in his practical application of those skills. He had to find that deeper focus to even have the barest of chances, which speaks more of ta'averen luck than him really being all that good in the larger scheme of things - and while to his mind he thinks that he is holding back from grasping saidin we don't know for sure that he didn't channel in some way akin to his conferring of strength and stamina to Bela in TEOTW. So we can agree that at the end of Book 2 he is a legitimate Blademaster, but definitely not before that point.
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Mat Cauthon posted:I don't think this is true or that the material supports it. Rand has lots of advantages on his side when he fights Turak: I don't know if I agree with this. Obviously the flame and the void is used to access saidin, but it's not as though you need to be able to touch saidin to use the void. Tam teaches the technique to Rand, and Lan clearly recognizes it as well.
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In the context of this discussion, "trained by badasses" and "capable of entering the void" are not advantages, they are basic requirements to be a Blademaster. Rand did not gain the void by being a channeler, he gained it from training with Tam, a nonchanneling Blademaster. Residual memories, fair enough, but LTT is a part of him, that is his actual experience supporting him. "He used magic, like he did on Bela" is explicitly contradicted by the text, without any indication that the narration is unreliable on this matter. EDIT: I don't disagree that he had the skill but not the mental to be a Blademaster, I don't think that contradicts my point of "you have to be at least blademaster level to take advantage of a blademaster's mistake and beat them with it" Nihilarian fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 21, 2021 |
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There's not actually any such thing as "blademaster level", it's just a special club for sword murder.
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# ? May 21, 2021 19:51 |
Nihilarian posted:In the context of this discussion, "trained by badasses" and "capable of entering the void" are not advantages, they are basic requirements to be a Blademaster. Rand did not gain the void by being a channeler, he gained it from training with Tam, a nonchanneling Blademaster. What if you shank one
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# ? May 21, 2021 20:11 |
Anias posted:The character rafe is most excited about that first appears in s2 has a name beginning with EL. There’s like 40 of those. What a hilarious troll this pre release hype stream is. glancing at the El list the only ones that stand out to me are Elaida and Elayne
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# ? May 21, 2021 20:58 |
Hexel posted:glancing at the El list the only ones that stand out to me are Elaida and Elayne We can do the M-R-N names next e: I think that Aiel history flashback sequence had like six of them, I couldn't figure out whether it was supposed to be a "thing" or not
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# ? May 21, 2021 21:05 |
Hexel posted:glancing at the El list the only ones that stand out to me are Elaida and Elayne Elyas, maybe, if they put off that stuff until S2?
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Hexel posted:glancing at the El list the only ones that stand out to me are Elaida and Elayne Cavelcade posted:Elyas, maybe, if they put off that stuff until S2? Yeah, them and Min (Elmindreda) are the standouts. Mostly makes me think they're mixing up book 1 and 2 plot timelines a bit, maybe with some New Spring flashbacks thrown in for good measure. They could honestly save Elayne for S2 as long as they come up with some other (barely sufficient) reason for her to be crushing on Rand. The scene with Rand falling over the wall into the palace garden in Caemlyn is cool but mostly because of Elaida (foretelling), Morgase (queen stuff), and Gawyn (yes Rand you are Aiel). But really, ELSE GRINWELL.
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# ? May 21, 2021 22:13 |
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mossyfisk posted:There's not actually any such thing as "blademaster level", it's just a special club for sword murder.
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# ? May 21, 2021 22:20 |
I wish I was ta'veren and I could just be instantly awesome at everything that everyone else has to train their whole lives for
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# ? May 21, 2021 22:25 |
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Nihilarian posted:there is presumably a level at which everyone would agree you are a blademaster, otherwise the alternative method of becoming a blademaster doesnt make sense. Its all a bit silly. Being good at anything is never as clean cut as being designated a class in DnD. Professional basketball players can be beat if they're having a bad day and they're facing somone young and athletic.
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# ? May 21, 2021 22:41 |
The Grinwells and Min are all cast for S1, so it won't be them. It's almost certainly both Elayne and Elaida.
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# ? May 21, 2021 22:50 |
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Shageletic posted:Its all a bit silly. Being good at anything is never as clean cut as being designated a class in DnD. Especially if that person has a power forged heron mark blade
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# ? May 21, 2021 23:48 |
Then again, that exact phenomenon is called out very loudly. "Who was the greatest swordsman of all time?"
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# ? May 22, 2021 00:08 |
silvergoose posted:Then again, that exact phenomenon is called out very loudly. That was teaching a bunch of kids about why you don't ignore the weapon triangle,which obviously doesn't affect sword vs sword.
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# ? May 22, 2021 11:52 |
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I'm into A Memory of Light in my audiobook re-listen and I very much appreciate the random mentions of Demandred just raving about Lews Therin over the various battlefields as the final fights go on. Everyone is so dismissive of it because nobody cares and has bigger worries. It's real good.
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# ? May 24, 2021 09:44 |
I really liked how Demandred set up a network so he could rapid-respond to any sighting of Rand.
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# ? May 24, 2021 10:14 |
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Data Graham posted:I wish I was ta'veren and I could just be instantly awesome at everything that everyone else has to train their whole lives for I, too wish I could go slowly insane, lose one of my hands and get a never-healing wound before ultimately losing my body to some dipshit who then gets it killed just to spite me
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# ? May 24, 2021 10:37 |
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Perrin probably had it best out of the three. Mat didn't exactly escape unscarred, not to mention being raped, while the worst Perrin had to endure was his wife getting captured.
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Torrannor posted:Perrin probably had it best out of the three. Mat didn't exactly escape unscarred, not to mention being raped, while the worst Perrin had to endure was his wife
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Yea, I’d rather be Mat
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# ? May 24, 2021 14:30 |
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Torrannor posted:Perrin probably had it best out of the three. Mat didn't exactly escape unscarred, not to mention being raped, while the worst Perrin had to endure was his wife getting captured. Imagine not wanting the super power of luck. Mat's luck could let him beat Rand in a fight probably. Luck is the literal best super power.
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# ? May 24, 2021 16:35 |
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Mat had his eye ripped out. Perrin, at the very end, is still under Compulsion to love a woman whose neck he snapped. (Also, remember the rest of the Aybara family.) Neither matches Rand, but neither exactly has a good time of it. I'm trying to think if there's anybody in the series whose life I'd want. Oh right, Loial. It's probably Loial.
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But he had to get *married*!!!!
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