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Helter Skelter posted:They had a slide in their presentation but the game choice was still geared toward relatively undemanding titles: i appreciate the effort but we've reached the point where AMD is competing with themselves so it's mostly a question of 5700G vs waiting for a hypothetical 5700GXT with a cache die with 96MB of L3 dropped onto it
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Combat Pretzel posted:Since it decodes to uOps, it should be on the easier end to introduce a new instruction set, no? And then switch between the two decoders during runtime on context switches? If the instruction set is the issue, it has to be mended somehow. I don't know if taking x86 fixed width would in any sense. But if Apple can continue to outdevelop x64 in single thread performance, Intel and AMD are going to be under increasing pressure to give x86 a shake-up. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Threadripper Pro with Thunderbolt finally dropped: https://youtu.be/D3msx3sm3Nk
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Pablo Bluth posted:I imagine it should be easier to make a variable length system fixed than doing the reverse;
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Combat Pretzel posted:uOps also variable length? Possibly, but of the sane kind.
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I got a B550 board at the beginning of the year. Am I going to have any issues needing to update BIOS on it before it will boot with a 5600G/5700G?
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WhyteRyce posted:I got a B550 board at the beginning of the year. Am I going to have any issues needing to update BIOS on it before it will boot with a 5600G/5700G? You likely will have to update the BIOS, but lots of b550 boards come with processorless USB BIOS flashback, if that is your concern.
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WhyteRyce posted:I got a B550 board at the beginning of the year. Am I going to have any issues needing to update BIOS on it before it will boot with a 5600G/5700G? Your motherboard's support page should have a CPU support table where it will usually say if a specific BIOS version is required for a particular CPU/APU. It's likely you will have to update, though.
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bobfather posted:You likely will have to update the BIOS, but lots of b550 boards come with processorless USB BIOS flashback, if that is your concern. Yep. It's slightly rarer on X570 boards, but for B550 it's a pretty common feature outside of the absolute cheapest boards. Helter Skelter fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Helter Skelter posted:Yep. Yep, the basic-tier B550m-itx/ac I had in my SFF build did not have this function. Thankfully, it'd already been updated for Zen 3 but it was a tense minute looking for that version sticker lol
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bobfather posted:You likely will have to update the BIOS, but lots of b550 boards come with processorless USB BIOS flashback, if that is your concern. Yes that's my concern since I don't have any spare older AMD procs laying around to borrow. I have a Gigabyte B550M Pro-P and the guide mentions I can flash from USB key in S5 via a qflash port so I'm assuming that's what it is.
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WhyteRyce posted:I have a Gigabyte B550M Pro-P and the guide mentions I can flash from USB key in S5 via a qflash port so I'm assuming that's what it is. Yeah, you're solid.
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This is interesting. Its also from WCCF so get your bag of salt ready buuuut some leaked slides from back in March 2020 popped up for Zen4 and AM5. One of the interesting tidbits is it appears they might be putting the iGPU on the IOD?  The article mentions the slides are old and some stuff might've changed but still that would be kind've interesting. Allowing all, or nearly all, of their products to have a (weak and cut down, I'm sure there'll be some parts with more performance though if they go this route, should have plenty of space on 7-6nm for a decent iGPU due to all the pads needed on the IOD) iGPU for desktop use.
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That makes a certain amount of sense, no need for an IF Interconnect for video out. Galaxy brain solution is that's the easiest way to normalize height with cache slices on every die. E: skips a step for RAM hits, probably decreases latency, too. EE: super comedy option is that new GPUs are just rows of IO dies.
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Yeah I thought I remember someone smarter than me in this thread saying separating the memory controller from the iGPU would nuke performance, so integrating makes sense if that’s true
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Leaky boys: https://twitter.com/Broly_X1/status/1400123504545046531 and https://twitter.com/Broly_X1/status/1401862974986285065 https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-zen4-and-rdna3-architectures-both-rumored-to-launch-in-q4-2022 Zen 3 Refresh/XT, Q1 2022 (AM4?) 3D Stacked Zen3, ??? (AM4?) Zen 4, Q4 2022 (AM5)
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5600X and 5800X on sale for $300 and $430 at Central Computer, sale ends today. How much of an idiot am I to be passing this up?
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That’s MSRP and $20 off MSRP respectively. There aren’t any availability issues anymore it seems for the two parts so we can say the 5800x is a terrible deal and that isn’t a sale on an 5600X
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Microcenter has dropped the 5800X down to $370, at that point I'd say it's not a bad deal.
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If the 5600X is MSRP that’s not bad at all, yeah.
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Welp, time to let greed bite me in the face as I wait for prices to go lower never.
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GPUs (well, GPU-derived compute accelerator modules) go multi-die with CDNA2 (MI200/Arcturus): https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-aldebaran-cdna2-gpu-for-instinct-mi200-has-primary-and-secondary-die There's basically no information beyond what's in the headline (which comes from Linux kernel patches). But if you were wondering when GPU/accelerator architectures were going to stop being monolithic, here's one answer.
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Shemp the Stooge posted:I updated the bios on my 5800x and msi X570 based board to try and fix the usb issues. The update went fine but now Ryzen master shows my temp as 0C and PPT as 0W. If anyone else has something like this - the solution was to reset the cmos. I did before flashing but I guess my particular board requires it after as well. The reason it was running cooler before is that the PPT was being limited to 105W for some reason. I didn't notice it when I posted initially.
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mdxi posted:GPUs (well, GPU-derived compute accelerator modules) go multi-die with CDNA2 (MI200/Arcturus): https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-aldebaran-cdna2-gpu-for-instinct-mi200-has-primary-and-secondary-die That's a datacenter compute card, I'm willing to bet a lot of money it can't even drive a display.
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I wonder if the IO dies are getting a pretty massive die shrink exclusively for having the GPU onboard, it would certainly get the biggest benefit.
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I wonder if this 3D stacking technology has any implications on future GPU design could we see an RX 7800 XT with a couple hundred MBs of soldered-on cache on top of the GPU die to act as a supercharged "infinity cache" to compete with G6X?
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I'm hoping for just such a thing. It would certainly be a hell of a pickup, and beating the rest of the market to MCMs was pretty amazing, but beating them to stacked dies is no small feat, either.
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yeah, i think the answer for "how many dies, 3d stacking, and mixed silicon processes will the future hold?" is just "Yes." for as much as intel is in Trouble, i do think Ponte Vecchio is likely a glimpse into the medium-term for high performance computing.  47 tiles, multiple levels of cache/ram (some on their own die, some integrated), 3d stacking with TSVs and microbumps, Foveros, mixed processes and poo poo mixed fabs with intel+TSMC, just general insanity
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How hard is it to get ahold of the 5900x at MSRP right now.
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Spacedad posted:How hard is it to get ahold of the 5900x at MSRP right now. About a $100 scalper premium if you Amazon or fleabay it.
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I'll probably go with my original plan and do 5800x instead then. My current system is a 3900x with a 3080 on the way. (Which I will put into service in a b550 with my old gtx 1080, probably.) Losing cores for the tradeoff of clock speed makes sense since I'm going to be going more realtime work in Blender than rendering. (I can maybe turn the 3900x into a multitask renderbox at some point then.) Also, it's cool to see that the 5800x has dropped so much in price. I originally got the 3900x at like a little less than 400. Now the 5800x is around the same price.
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Paul MaudDib posted:i appreciate the effort but we've reached the point where AMD is competing with themselves so it's mostly a question of 5700G vs waiting for a hypothetical 5700GXT with a cache die with 96MB of L3 dropped onto it If AMD cant get parts into peoples computers it doesn't matter. I haven't bought an AMD in nearly a year.
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I mean, that's on you but the only thing you couldn't buy consistently for that year was AMD GPUs.
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Spacedad posted:I'll probably go with my original plan and do 5800x instead then. The 5800X is a hot one, do you have a strong cooling solution lined up? I still see some peak temps in the high 70s / low 80s under D15S.
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Where are we at with availability on 5000-series mini PCs? I saw some announced from Asus and Gigabyte but no indication they exist on Amazon etc. My office Intel NUCs burned out right as they passed the 3-year warranty mark.
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Spacedad posted:How hard is it to get ahold of the 5900x at MSRP right now. Antonline has had the 5900 and 5950 in stock for a week now at ~$40 over msrp.
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B-1.1.7 Bomber posted:Antonline has had the 5900 and 5950 in stock for a week now at ~$40 over msrp. never heard of this company but i'll be damned, 5950x for $840. looks like the 5900x is sold out already tho
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e: oops, wrong thread thanks to the SA App
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Shipon posted:never heard of this company but i'll be damned, 5950x for $840. looks like the 5900x is sold out already tho That's where I got my 5800x back when they were unobtanium. They've actually been around a super long time. And yeah the CPUs poo poo there for days because no bots have wised up on it.
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