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D-Pad posted:I posted a new Horus heresy book chart a couple of weeks ago in the thread that breaks down all the various plotlines and books. I saw that, but when I clicked on it I got a "file not found" error. Still do. THIS IS HERESY!
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Dick Trauma posted:I saw that, but when I clicked on it I got a "file not found" error. Still do. Redacted by the Inquisition.
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Dick Trauma posted:I saw that, but when I clicked on it I got a "file not found" error. Still do. Oops, here you go: https://imgbb.com/5Mr7rDV?fbclid=IwAR2XZwzo5zB3ZV05Z99nBP4bRy4gCj8ZC8BslhItU1xkE4di5bymnLgxFkg
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D-Pad posted:Oops, here you go: 
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I was on twitter because i have depression, and Chris Wraight popped up there so I "tweeted" him a "twit" saying his poo poo is dope and he tweetered back and said thank you 
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Biplane posted:I was on twitter because i have depression, and Chris Wraight popped up there so I "tweeted" him a "twit" saying his poo poo is dope and he tweetered back and said thank you Chris seems super nice
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Biplane posted:I was on twitter because i have depression, and Chris Wraight popped up there so I "tweeted" him a "twit" saying his poo poo is dope and he tweetered back and said thank you I've found that BL authors happily respond to positive @'s on twitter, especially if you tell them why you liked the book specifically. I once sent ADB a dumb meme and he laughed at it.
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Jun 23, 2021 19:43
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I wish Black Library actually sold copies of their books beyond some poo poo limited runs that remain in stock for 5 minutes. How about you make 100k copies of each book, and let them sit and sell for the next decade. Even the Gav Thorpe ones will sell out. Eventually. Just put more embossed gold poo poo on the cover. Or have Abnett sign them.
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Jun 24, 2021 05:03
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Yeah its loving annoying having to wait a year for a paperback.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:58
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VanSandman posted:I've found that BL authors happily respond to positive @'s on twitter, especially if you tell them why you liked the book specifically. Yeah, I've had nothing but good experiences tweeting at BL peeps
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Jun 24, 2021 13:00
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Follow a bunch of them myself, they seem like a really solid bunch. Been meaning to ask Darius Hinks how big a Khraive is because I kinda want to try to kitbash one.
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VanSandman posted:I've found that BL authors happily respond to positive @'s on twitter, especially if you tell them why you liked the book specifically. I'm too scared to impose my terrible opinions and thoughts in specific on someone as pure as Chris Wraight
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Jun 24, 2021 14:48
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Demiurge4 posted:Yeah its loving annoying having to wait a year for a paperback. That is just standard publishing stuff, release in hardback for the hardcore fans then do the paperback months later. BL just adds in super rare limited editions as well.
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Jun 24, 2021 15:54
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Foxtrot_13 posted:That is just standard publishing stuff, release in hardback for the hardcore fans then do the paperback months later. Yeah but for 95% of books BL only prints one single run of hardbacks and never prints anymore once they sell out. The print runs are pretty low too. Almost all BL hardbacks are worth 2x-3x retail within a year. The popular ones can be even more. The Mephiston trilogy hardbacks go for over $200 each right now.
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They're not even using the "Due to COVID...." they're just straight-up publishing low amounts of product. It makes me scratch my head because they are so proud when they make money, but here is a broken cog in the machine stopping them from making much more. It doesn't help the brand if people can't immerse themselves in it.
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Philthy posted:They're not even using the "Due to COVID...." they're just straight-up publishing low amounts of product. It makes me scratch my head because they are so proud when they make money, but here is a broken cog in the machine stopping them from making much more. It doesn't help the brand if people can't immerse themselves in it. Yeah trying to source physical BL books that aren't brand new loving sucks, they really should keep way more poo poo in print. I read Ravenor years before Eisenhorne because I couldn't find any of em for ages
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Jun 24, 2021 21:53
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Inventory requires money, lots of money. All those books have to be printed and stored. That can be a lot of cash just sitting there not doing anything with the possibility of never being seen again. For a niche publisher like Black Library that can be too much money and it makes it uneconomical to publish new books. They don't know what will sell well and can't rely on lots of big name authors and supply chains to cover the risks like the big boys can. Yes it sucks to get older books but all it takes is a few pallets of a book that will never sell to make the bean counters nervous. Lots of small time publishers run on the modal of print small amounts often rather than have a lot of investment tied up in a single large printing. Trying to get hold of some indie RPGs can be a real pain in the arse if you don't buy them the month of publishing because they don't have the money to invest in inventory.
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Jun 24, 2021 23:23
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Foxtrot_13 posted:Inventory requires money, lots of money. This is all true until you look at their financials and realize they could lose every penny they put into BL every year and still be wildly profitable because of the tabletop. GW was the best performing stock in Britain of the last decade. Lore is a loss leader for them and they could stand to print more books than they do.
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They could but the books they do sell as a side hustle are 100% profits if they keep physical numbers down and tap that "exclusive edition" market.
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Jun 24, 2021 23:41
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GW has been absurdly successful lately, they aren't some back of the van indie operation. They can afford for me to pay them money for books occasionally
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Jun 24, 2021 23:46
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I get wanting physical copies, but if EVER there was something that called for ebooks, it would be Black Library stuff. Because it's pulp. High pulp, drat fine pulp, but this is genre lit.
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Jun 25, 2021 00:13
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I read ebooks but because of what we've been discussing I always buy 3 copies of every new hardback and put them in my closet to sell when they triple in value a year later. More reliable than the stock market!
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I'm reading Angel Exterminatus and some poor bastard got chopped down and then stuffed into a Dreadnought, and someone else is just a severed head in a lab yelling threats at the evil mastermind keeping it alive. The Emperor's Children join the party accompanied by a retinue of cultists all doped up, loving and torturing one another. Flags made of human skin. Sentient clouds of hallucinogens. It's cuckoo bananas and reminds me of the early GW stuff. Also I mixed up Dorn with Lorgar and got really confused about which Primarchs were traitors. In the Horus Heresy everyone's sort of an rear end in a top hat.
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There's no real canon backing it but imo Dorn is as much as a blank as a primarch can be and is why he's and rear end and the warp is weird around him.
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Dick Trauma posted:Sentient clouds of hallucinogens. Those are real, I've met them
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I'm driving into Iron Warriors lore since I'm starting their omnibus, and uh... I just read up on the Daemonculaba and Honsou  All this time I had no idea that the Iron Warriors were low key the sickest fucks in 40k
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:I'm driving into Iron Warriors lore since I'm starting their omnibus, and uh... I just read up on the Daemonculaba and Honsou Dead sky, black sun is one of the worst BL books and honestly you should forget everything about it and carry on.
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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:Those are real, I've met them Sentient hallucinogenic cloud is real, and strong, and my friend
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Just listened to Godblight, pretty good. One thing still irritates me though. (Minor spoilers for Godblight and some old Horus Heresy books) I see they're trying to make Imperium Secundus this big controversy with the discovery of the book in the library. But honestly I'm still not seeing why it's supposed to be some damning secret. Ultramar was cut off, RG had no idea if the Emperore was still alive, and was being told by the Chaos side that he was in fact dead and the Imperium was shattered. So he sets up a successor institution with the help of his fellow loyal primarchs, which he scrupulously doesn't even put himself in charge of. Then as soon as he learns the Imperium is in fact stil going and there's a way through the warp storm, he immediately charges off to the rescue. TL:DR, Guilliman did nothing wrong. 
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Okay yeah the first 50 pages or so of the Iron Warriors omnibus was so badly written I put it up. Cracking on with Know No Fear instead and it's 100000000x better already. drat Dan back at it again with the great writing.
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Deptfordx posted:Just listened to Godblight, pretty good. Guilliman is currently at odds with entrenched institutions in the IOM and it's just going to give them way more ammo.
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Deptfordx posted:Just listened to Godblight, pretty good. I think you're logically making sense, but in a world where Horus has just turned traitor to usurp the Emperor, I think Guilliman deciding to throw up the Imperium Secundus would be viewed through some pretty unforgiving lenses. Why are you consolidating instead of making all haste for terra? Why do you need new offices like a Regent and such? do you not bow to the Throne anymore? You can't just use the existing power structures that everyones familiar with and subservient to the Throne? and if you fast foward to "present 40k' I think that the discovery of such an ancient secret would give a bunch of ammo to Guillimans opposition in the church and administration to paint a picture that he can't be trusted, what if he does it again, falsely using the Emperors authority blah blah and he can't really afford that by his own admission. Sure Guilliman has perfectly justifiable internal logic for all these decisions but as a third party, high lord, senior administration offical or something you know....looks pretty sus.
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:Okay yeah the first 50 pages or so of the Iron Warriors omnibus was so badly written I put it up. Yeah those books aren't very good and Mcneil isn't a very strong author imho
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Deptfordx posted:Just listened to Godblight, pretty good. Godblight spoilers You don’t seem to get how far gone the imperium is, there have been minor internal wars over far more minor things. The imperium is made up of zealots and a regressive culture of martyrdom. Finding out gman turned from the emperors light would spark a civil war and name him a traitor of the faith. In setting there have been instances of beings showing up claiming to be primarchs and starting civil wars before whose to say this one is real or loyal if he betrayed the emperor. Also the nurgle demon that viewed knowledge as a contagious corruption on par with actual disease was great. Give me more nuance in flavors of the four like that or the blood pact in the grunts books.
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Deptfordx posted:Just listened to Godblight, pretty good.  HE TRIED TO MAKE HIS OWN EMPIRE! HE THINKS HE'S BETTER THAN US! GET HIM!
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No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:Okay yeah the first 50 pages or so of the Iron Warriors omnibus was so badly written I put it up. Know No Fear is a top five all time Abnett book, alongside Saturnine, Pariah/Penitent, and Only in Death. Also I can’t think of any BL books by other authors that are as good as any of those, although lots of ADB and Wraight’s stuff is wonderful as well (and I’ve heard good things about Ghazghkull)
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Know No Fear is a top five all time Abnett book, alongside Saturnine, Pariah/Penitent, and Only in Death. Also I can’t think of any BL books by other authors that are as good as any of those, although lots of ADB and Wraight’s stuff is wonderful as well (and I’ve heard good things about Ghazghkull) Yeah I came here just to post the following: I'm a little over a third into Know No Fear and WOW. I was putting this off because I thought "yawn Ultramarines" but this is one of the most gripping and action packed (while not being bolter-porny) books I've read from Black Library. Super good, super tragic.
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The Ultramarines seem really boring when their traits are "there's a lot of them, and they're really good organizers even under extreme duress", but that's exactly what you want when you go to war. You can never, ever, ever put them in a situation where they can't get their poo poo together and hit back.
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Someone on Twitter said something to the effect of "you can really tell that GW is a British company when you realise that they think that Ultramarines are the coolest Space Marines because they're the best at following the rules".
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I'm still convinced that the Invaders chapter is an intentional jab at the United States Army. Green army boys who use massive amounts of ordnance to blast the poo poo out of their enemies before getting bogged down in heavy casualty mop up campaigns where it's clear they bit off more than they could chew when they blew up a goddamn Craftworld. As an aside, I haven't kept up with the new Primaris releases for many years. I'm only just discovering all their vehicles and they're hilarious. I thought things couldn't get sillier than Logan Grimnar's santa sled pulled by FUTWs (hosed-Up Tiny Wolves) but the Primaris have a Go-Kart. Or this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_Uwlz50Y8 Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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