Wheeee posted:

idk over the past handful of years we've gone from 'lol UFOs gently caress off' to 'UFOs are real and the US government is scrambling to deal with this while a slow rollout of info is being conducted by lifelong intelligence officials'

most people already can't engage with what's out now and what's out now shows only the mildest and most prosaic possible form of UFO/UAP that people have been conditioned to half-suspect are real already, when if you're digging into this recently it is increasingly apparent that what's going on is genuinely weird in a way that nobody understands. people would freak out at the federation landing and basically being us but far more advanced technologically then would adapt quickly enough, while some of what's being implied to be going on breaks our understanding of reality and our subjective experience thereof and would straight up break a lot of people

there's a deliberate process currently at work and it's moving relatively quickly given the gravitas of the subject matter

Barry Foster posted:

The Australian report was written to the government by a Bird Believer, not written by the government

Sadly

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Was it written by someone investigating it or in some role on behalf of the government, or position of access to information, or just Charlie Kelly?

Barry Foster posted:

The Australian report was written to the government by a Bird Believer, not written by the government

Sadly

E although from the perspective of tyool 2021 I don't see why I should believe a government more than some crack pinged birdman tbf

Ben Nerevarine posted:

Orbis Tertius posted:

There's a detail in the SCU analysis of the Nimitz encounter that has been bugging me, which is after the initial meeting of the UAP and the F/A-18s, the tic-tac zoomed off and made a beeline straight for the pilots' 'Hold Point':

Regarding the UAP going to that particular location:

Based on the radar operator's emphasis, I'm assuming CAP coordinates are fairly precise (as in, moving the length of an F-18 (or a tic-tac) in any direction would take you off those coordinates).

Those coordinates were 60 nautical miles away, and the tic-tac got there in "a few minutes or less". A frequently mentioned characteristic of the tic-tacs is that they don't really need to 'get up to speed' - they instantaneously accelerate towards wherever. So from its location by the FA-18, the Tic-Tac's vector was like ~4000 mph and pointed directly at an extremely specific point in space 60 NM away, where it stopped on a dime. Meaning, it's highly unlikely that the tic-tac traveled there by accident.

I think this is fascinating for a couple reasons:

1. How the gently caress did the tic-tac know those coordinates?

This is tangential, but one of the recurring details of the encounters in that Australian report is the ETs having 'beams' that disable cars, radios, tractors, poo poo - whatever. Kind of like a universal remote that works generally on 'things that do mechanical work' or 'are powered by electricity'. Maybe the tic-tac had a similar sort of beam that functions like, "analyze the electromagnetic currents and fields within and emitted by these primitive things, and extract any meaningful data". This is relatively plausible, compared to most other things about the tic-tacs. It would be SIGINT well beyond what we can currently do, but not to the same degree as, say, the tic-tac's aerodynamics, which break the laws of physics as we understand them.

This would mean that the tic-tac picked out those specific latitude, longitude and altitude numbers out of the FA-18s computer, understood them as coordinates, and decided to travel to them. It made some kind of judgement, maybe simply "this location is apparently significant", or "the apes intend to go here in the future", and took off. (I'm building up to more out-there speculation, bear with me).

I'm assuming the CAP coordinates were stored in the FA-18s flight computer and not on paper, or memorized, or whatever, which would make the situation substantially weirder.

2. It was actually going unusually slow

tic-tacs were observed on radar going from 80,000ft to 20,000 ft in 0.78 seconds, and then immediately back up (doing that instantaneous acceleration thing). These are the velocity, acceleration and power measurements from the appendix (the 6 second calculations were just included to show that it's all still completely insane even if you assume the 0.78 second measurement was an error and use a much longer duration)

code:

Trajectory Mode V(t) = Vm	     	Maximum Velocity 	    	 A(t) max acceleration	     P(T) maximum power Dissipation
Linear Velocity tm = 6 sec 	     	13,636.36 mph 	     		207.04 g’s 		     11.3 Gigawatts
Parabolic tm = 6 sec  		     	10,227.27 mph             	310.56 g’s 		     9.75 Gigawatts
Linear tm = 0.78 sec 		     	104,895 mph 		    	12,250 g’s 		     35.1265 x 10^3 Gigawatts
Parabolic tm = 0.78sec			78,409 mph 			18,385 g’s 		     4.44 x 10^3 Gigawatts

35.1265 x 10^3 Gigawatts is a small nuke's worth of power output (as noted in the footnotes). Also from the footnotes: "The speed at maximum velocity would cause melting of most metals and would be equivalent to
a meteorite entering the atmosphere from outer space." These are the observations that are being referenced when people say the tic-tacs 'break physics' (especially given that they don't create sonic booms, or emit exhaust heat). In contrast, when the tic-tac traveled to the CAP coordinates it was only going around ~2.5x the max speed of an F-22. The tic-tac was, notably, quite ~~leisurely~~ making its way there. I'll come back to this.

3. Most descriptions of tic-tac movement from the Nimitz encounter are like "it descended 60,000 ft from near-orbit, then went back up, for some reason" or "it was moving erratically, horizontally, 50 ft over the ocean". In comparison, going to the CAP coordinates is one of a select few observations of tic-tac behavior that read as 'intentional', at least as far as I'm aware. By 'intentional' I mean, very basically, that it clearly seems like the 'operator' or intelligence (however defined) in control of the tic-tac decided "I'm going to this specific location", and then went there, and that comports with human conceptions of decision-making and motivated behavior. I'm going to proceed to read a bunch into all this, obviously, and anthropomorphize the poo poo out of these tic-tacs, but that's the bare takeaway, and I think it's pretty interesting on it's own.

The interaction between the tic-tac and the FA-18 sent to intercept it is where the other noteworthy example of what looks like 'motivated' behavior happens. I'll just copy-paste the summary from the SCU paper:

As the FA-18 circles down towards the tic-tac, it apparently notices, and starts circling up towards the FA-18, "mirroring" it's movements.

I can understand that the writers of the paper don't want to editorialize details like this, but this is extremely weird. As has been noted repeatedly, tic-tac movement is generally linear, with near-instantaneous acceleration. They pick a destination and go straight there. They don't fly in parabolic trajectories or curves, because why would they? They clearly don't have 'wings', or anything that would serve to generate lift, as we understand it. The atmosphere just isn't a factor for them.

So when the tic-tac circles up, it's not just mindlessly mirroring the motion of the FA-18, it is 'performatively' mimicking the aerodynamics of human airplanes in earth's atmosphere. It's amused by the situation and playing pretend. Or doing the technological equivalent of 'baby talk'. I mean, it could go vertically straight up and sit on the FA-18's nose, if it wanted to.

So we're at item #5. In #6, the pilot of the FA-18 is a huge dick. In his own words,

I'm going to assume that the intelligence controlling the tic-tac interpreted the FA-18's actions as being aggressive, too, and that this is related to why it took off and traveled to the CAP coordinates. Two ideas:

1. It wanted to demonstrate superiority, but it lacked complete confidence in our capacity to measure its movement. So, it went at a superior speed (but not too fast) to a location it knew we knew (the CAP point). If they (the humans) know your starting location (where the FA-18 was being an rear end), and they know your ending location (the CAP point, which it can reasonably assume we're monitoring), and you're like 99.9% sure these apes can measure time, then you can be fairly confident they will be able to calculate your speed from this information, and hopefully realize they shouldn't be dive bombing you in their lovely loving planes.

2. It was all like, "LMAO oh no you didn't it is loving ON, HUNAM' It wanted to race! vroom vroom! Which is why it picked a location it knew we knew, like "race you to that tree!" It even went really, painfully slow so maybe we would catch up, but we didn't even try. Humanity got owned.

Alright that's all I got.

Mola Yam posted:

It's aitee here

No aliens yet

Orbis Tertius posted:

There's a detail in the SCU analysis of the Nimitz encounter that has been bugging me, which is after the initial meeting of the UAP and the F/A-18s, the tic-tac zoomed off and made a beeline straight for the pilots' 'Hold Point':
.

Alright that's all I got.

A Time To Chill posted:

it's MY disclosure and I need it NOW!

Barry Foster posted:

The Australian report was written to the government by a Bird Believer, not written by the government

Sadly

E although from the perspective of tyool 2021 I don't see why I should believe a government more than some crack pinged birdman tbf

Barry Foster posted:

Don't actually know, but I know they got a lot of their stuff from Jacques Valleé

inferis posted:

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2245195/

Orbis Tertius posted:

lowest common denominator, bible-thumping America

bedpan posted:

this describes the senior commands of the military and military intelligence community

Delta-Wye posted:

black vault dropped a bombshell today - dod data retention practices are dogshit
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/data-destruction-reveals-larger-issue-with-dod-records-retention/


this section is probably more interesting than the headline info:

im starting to suspect lue didn't run aatip, but was sitting in the center of the octopus playing gatekeeper and that may actually be better

Rah! posted:

do you have a source for that?

Because the declassified UFO documents are all on official paper with things like "Department of Defence Joint Intelligence Organization" on it, and are signed by dudes with titles like "Director" and "deputy director" and "wing commander" and "RAAF Intelligence representative"

e: and the writer of the report itself (or at the least the intro to it) was the head of the "Nuclear Branch"

Only the list of cases where UFOs allegedly affected the witnesses and/or technology, which was "collected by Dr Valle in collaboration with Dr Hynek at Northwestern University".

The first part of the report, which is a history of US and Australian government interactions with the UFO phenomenon from 1947-1971, came from other sources.

Orbis Tertius posted:

The problem with the psyop angle is that the messaging is like

- "We're dealing with phenomena beyond our understanding"
- "We have several instances on record of what seems to be technology beyond what is considered possible"
- "We're not saying it's Aliens...but we're also saying it's not ours or any other nation's...and we're referring to it as 'technology', soooooo...
- "If there is intelligence behind it, we are overwhelmingly out-classed."

( If this were a threat, we would not be able to protect you )

That is like, anti-propaganda. It's the kind of information you'd spread in a country to inspire uncertainty, fear and mistrust of the authority figures.

I'm not saying it's not an op, they're obviously managing the information to some end, but i think it's much more likely they're worried about lowest common denominator, bible-thumping America freaking the gently caress out more than anything.

Barry Foster posted:

Not really ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just what I remember reading on reddit

Don't get me wrong I'd love to be proven wrong

Rah! posted:

so if the Australian UFO report was just written by a guy, rather than being ordered by the government itself, it still appears that the guy who wrote it was in charge of some serous poo poo, judging by his job leading the "Nuclear Branch" whatever that is.

And there's a document that appears to be responding to that report, that says "there appears to be sufficient evidence from RAAF and US investigations of UFO sightings to indicate that some reports cannot readily be explained by natural phenomena or man-made activities." And it's signed by the director of the Joint Intelligence Organization.

And the other declassified UFO documents, are also signed by national defense directors and intelligence dudes and RAAF dudes and whatnot, like i mentioned.

Tom Gorman posted:

aiieeeee It's almost the big day I'm so nervous gosh I need to figure out what to wear

bedpan posted:

the defense establishment hasn't been able to reverse engineer and reproduce the recovered material. they've been working at it for decades and are still stumped. if they let people know what they have, they will be forced to give it up, and this they don't want to do.

Tekne posted:

there's also that university of albany paper indicating that the tictac's feats requires power exceeding america's entire nuclear output by several orders of magnitude

so they're saying there are things in the sky that make the best jets look like kites and can generate more energy than the country's entire power infrastructure

Tekne posted:

there's also that university of albany paper indicating that the tictac's feats requires power exceeding america's entire nuclear output by several orders of magnitude

so they're saying there are things in the sky that make the best jets look like kites and can generate more energy than the country's entire power infrastructure