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What if every time someone saw Shinji was sad they came over to give him a big hug? And they let someone else pilot the robot because it's ok that he doesn't feel up to it.
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As a writer it’s very important that your character’s personality traits be validated by everyone and everything. Friends, enemies, strangers and books should go out of their way to mention how nice your character is. Obviously this will endear them to the audience and not at all come off as grating or pathetic.
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Jul 21, 2021 13:56
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Snout needs to be quieter, softer, and have access to a time machine. Also; whenever Snout’s not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking ‘Where’s Snout?'”
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Jul 21, 2021 13:58
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Maxwell Lord posted:Like he did look after Corpse Woman (who is definitely still around and has not vanished from the face of the strip) and let her travel with him while they wandered aimlessly for five years or however long that was. yeah like, in theory he travelled across a wasteland with a complete stranger to help them with a condition that makes them physically violent. that's actually pretty laudable! the two major problems that ruin it though are that a) the narrative as a whole doesn't particularly care about the other character's suffering, but focuses exclusively on snout's kindess in the abstract, leading to this off-putting kindness-without-empathy, and b) kindness must always be rewarded and reaffirmed constantly. in terraciano's stories kindness can never be its own reward or an expression of a character's internal beliefs and morals. this got especially blatant when snout started pouting because people weren't thanking him for five minutes and other characters literally said his feelings are more important than his friend's medical condition. also, thinking back on the corpse voyage arc after reading the jayden arc, terraciano never stopped his trend of portraying physically violent characters that everyone has to be understanding and forgiving towards because they just cannot help themselves.
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Jul 21, 2021 14:01
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Dex thinks Snout only got so far by being so pathetic, stronger people pity him. And that’s not true! • Veth leads Snout directly to the book he needs since Snout is just such a nice guy • Dominic takes pity on the entire mongrelfolk race and gives them priority access to the ancient texts You sure showed him.
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Jul 21, 2021 14:42
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Fun fact: one of the biggest subtle ableism issues (as opposed to obvious ones like inaccessibility) is inspiration porn dehumanizing the disabled and making them just a tool for the abled to feel better about themselves.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:14
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Mors Rattus posted:Fun fact: one of the biggest subtle ableism issues (as opposed to obvious ones like inaccessibility) is inspiration porn dehumanizing the disabled and making them just a tool for the abled to feel better about themselves. Yeah this is what I've been trying to articulate when I call this all condescending. Snout is literally a charity case, every good person around him swarming up to give him a maternal smile and let him know it's all going to be ok, the poor little freak. It's saccharine and infatilizing.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:51
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I work at a hospital most people with disabilities be they physical or mental want their independence respected and hate having everything handed to them. They sure as hell don't want to be condescended to.
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Jul 21, 2021 17:22
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a cartoon duck posted:yeah like, in theory he travelled across a wasteland with a complete stranger to help them with a condition that makes them physically violent. No, it's not laudable at all. It frames abuse as something that can just be forgiven and fixed by just being nice and understanding to that person. By inviting Corpsemom to travel with him, Snout - and Mookie by proxy - was excusing that abuse. Basically the message was, "abuse is ok if the reason you did it is because you were really sad and if you promise not the do it again." And of course Snout's "kindness" (more realistically, he's an abuse victim that stayed with his abuser) magically fixed her and she never even got mad again after that point. What a disgusting message to give the reader. Sorry, most of this comic is fun to mock, but the Corpsemom origin plot legit makes me loving mad. It's up there with jazz hands and elf war.
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Jul 21, 2021 17:39
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TheHan posted:Dex thinks Snout only got so far by being so pathetic, stronger people pity him. And that’s not true! It's weird, because the beginning of the comic showed him as overcoming obstacles like the evil punching tree. Why is his character regressing like this?
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Jul 21, 2021 17:57
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Rotten Red Rod posted:No, it's not laudable at all. It frames abuse as something that can just be forgiven and fixed by just being nice and understanding to that person. i think terraciano was going the angle of a person in a dementia-like state not being in control of their own faculties, but yeah, you're right in that effectively just another story he wrote about how someone couldn't help themselves but lash out violently because they were just so goshdarn emotional and hurting inside, right after he made blog posts about scaring his wife with his anger
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Jul 21, 2021 19:02
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I...did not put those two things together until now. Oof
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Jul 21, 2021 19:37
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a cartoon duck posted:just another story he wrote about how someone couldn't help themselves but lash out violently because they were just so goshdarn emotional and hurting inside, right after he made blog posts about scaring his wife with his anger And he made HIS stand-in character the one that was the victim of the anger. loving chilling.
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Jul 21, 2021 19:48
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It's going to turn out that the Legacy of Dominic Deegan is going to be a book Dom wrote about how he loves Snout as a son.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:11
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This took me a few seconds, good one.
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Jul 21, 2021 21:06
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Dammerung posted:It's weird, because the beginning of the comic showed him as overcoming obstacles like the evil punching tree. Why is his character regressing like this? That had been my recollection, but looking back, no, he actually didn't! He completely failed at locating the Ink Witch's ship, got himself snatched up by an enormous bird in the attempt, and was saved when the ship randomly flew into them. He only escaped the giant worm creature in the canyon because his climbing the sharp rock spikes lining the wall caused them to break off and fall into its eyes and mouth, then the Wild Edge's magic interference caused the Witch's pagefinder to spray ink in its remaining eye, which lead to it killing itself on another spike. The tree he defeated using the pagefinder's ability to drag him through the air to fly into it, where it then stabbed itself with its own branches in its attempt to get at him. Not only was his sole successful plan the one where he used (someone else's) magic, but his own bumbling, magicless attempts would both have ended in his death if chance and magic hadn't saved him. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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Jul 21, 2021 21:35
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That would explain a lot, actually.
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Jul 21, 2021 21:43
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Mookie has, unless I'm stroking out from all this harder than I think I am, totally written protags who didn't, at least in their arc, rely on their connections to the rich and powerful Deegans to move the story forward or solve the plot. I'm don't know if this is true. Even the example you gave of Bumper doesn't count because he didn't become a protagonist until the Urban Eddie storyline, where he needed his connections to the rich and powerful Deegans to save the town, and he definitely relied on them to keep Stunt from being jailed for life. So is there a protagonist in DD who doesn't rely on Dominic? I don't know with certainty because there's still a lot of the original I haven't seen, but there definitely hasn't been one in any of the story arcs that Beelzebufo has posted so far. Well, maybe Nimmel? I don't know much about him except he's a Deegan in spirit, but being another character to vicariously live through wouldn't count as far as relying on Dominic himself.
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Jul 22, 2021 00:57
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Rotten Red Rod posted:No, it's not laudable at all. It frames abuse as something that can just be forgiven and fixed by just being nice and understanding to that person. By inviting Corpsemom to travel with him, Snout - and Mookie by proxy - was excusing that abuse. Basically the message was, "abuse is ok if the reason you did it is because you were really sad and if you promise not the do it again." This is almost the same poo poo Mookie used justify Milov's attempted murder of Jayden, too. It's gross how Mookie's been making comics for 20 years and he hasn't changed on any of this awful mindset at all. a cartoon duck posted:i think terraciano was going the angle of a person in a dementia-like state not being in control of their own faculties, but yeah, you're right in that effectively just another story he wrote about how someone couldn't help themselves but lash out violently because they were just so goshdarn emotional and hurting inside, right after he made blog posts about scaring his wife with his anger I get what you're saying, though I try not to think about this in any depth. Feels like that way lies doing armchair psychology on Mookie, you know? I mean, yeah, his id is seriously dripping in his comics which invites the analysis, but still.
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Jul 22, 2021 00:59
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Quote isn't edit.
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Jul 22, 2021 01:58
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Twelve by Pies posted:I'm don't know if this is true. Even the example you gave of Bumper doesn't count because he didn't become a protagonist until the Urban Eddie storyline, where he needed his connections to the rich and powerful Deegans to save the town, and he definitely relied on them to keep Stunt from being jailed for life. I meant Bumper or Stunt - whichever it was - when they have their ~WILD EDGE~ arc. If I'm not misremembering there's no direct Deegan involvement in that one.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I meant Bumper or Stunt - whichever it was - when they have their ~WILD EDGE~ arc. If I'm not misremembering there's no direct Deegan involvement in that one. That was Stunt who became a park ranger fighting filthy jock poachers in the mild edge, around the point of the eldariat to die arc. That's about as close to independence from Dominic as any of the secondary Mookies ever get, and it still ends with him giving the magic relic he finds at the end of the adventure to Dominic for safekeeping because... well because he's the prime Mookie, even though it's a holy relic for a church Jayden is a high ranking member in.
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Emrikol posted:That had been my recollection, but looking back, no, he actually didn't! He completely failed at locating the Ink Witch's ship, got himself snatched up by an enormous bird in the attempt, and was saved when the ship randomly flew into them. He only escaped the giant worm creature in the canyon because his climbing the sharp rock spikes lining the wall caused them to break off and fall into its eyes and mouth, then the Wild Edge's magic interference caused the Witch's pagefinder to spray ink in its remaining eye, which lead to it killing itself on another spike. The tree he defeated using the pagefinder's ability to drag him through the air to fly into it, where it then stabbed itself with its own branches in its attempt to get at him. Oh, well, poo poo. At least it's consistent, right? 
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Even though Snout did get help from the pagefinder spell to defeat the evil tree I'm still willing to give him credit for being proactive. He came up with a plan by himself and then acted on it. The current Snout would have just sat around feeling sad that he couldn't get bark from the tree until someone went and did it for him.
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Jul 22, 2021 11:34
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Yeah I think it's worth some credit that Snout thought to use the pagefinder's janky magic to his advantage. It's what you'd expect from a character who explicitly has no physical or magical strength. At some point instead Mookie decided that Snout's redeeming quality wasn't being clever but instead being so gosh darn nice. And not nice in that he's willing to do what other people wouldn't, but so nice that people are willing to do things for him.
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He also looked up information in a book that was directly useful to his goals, and had little montages of his basic survival activities. He was presented as solitary, maybe in a little over his head, but competent. Versus now, where even his library visits are overseen by benevolent parental figues.
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Jul 22, 2021 17:34
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He's the goodest softest boi
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It's like he's trying to recreate the glory days of highschool where all you had to do was read the first few pages of a book in the school library and the teacher would praise you for being so gifted and then you accidentally call her mommy but it's ok she hugs you anyway
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Jul 22, 2021 17:44
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You had a much different high school experience than I did, huh.
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Jul 22, 2021 21:07
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Just a little light reading with my naked ladyfriend --,-{@
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Jul 23, 2021 05:25
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Studying those blank pages
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Jul 23, 2021 05:25
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Jul 23, 2021 05:35
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Where the gently caress did they go? That's not Arduak's place. Why didn't they go home? Ink Witch is right there, they could just take the Ink Spacehsip if it's too far to walk.
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Zereth posted:Where the gently caress did they go? That's not Arduak's place. Why didn't they go home? Ink Witch is right there, they could just take the Ink Spacehsip if it's too far to walk. They're at the Fantasy Airbnb, obviously.
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Jul 23, 2021 05:43
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Pseudoscorpion posted:They're at the Fantasy Airbnb, obviously. 
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Jul 23, 2021 05:48
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Well, at least it's a relatively normal pa- wait, why the gently caress are Snout and Corpsemom sharing a bed, and why is she naked?
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Jul 23, 2021 06:00
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Well, at least it's a relatively normal pa- wait, why the gently caress are Snout and Corpsemom sharing a bed, and why is she naked?
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Jul 23, 2021 06:02
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Come to our inn! We have: proportionally huge doors, table cloths that always touch the floor, decorative architecture that funnels water into our open windows, delicious traditional Orc food (twigs AND beans), no curtains.
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If you look at the perspective, Ink Witch is one step ahead of Snout. It's pretty much mommy leading her kid along by hand. Mookie having them hold hands like that is just  because it feels like a desperate attempt to fool you into thinking Snout and Ink Witch have a closer relationship than they actually do. The two spent like a day together before Ink Witch got taken by Other Ink Witch, and even when they got reunited the two haven't spent any time onscreen being friends or anything. This is just Ink Witch being a boundary-breaking creep yet again.
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